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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSouth Side Panel Group 05This is John Henry and Today is March the 24th, 1995. I am interviewing for the first time, I would like you to say your name . Gloria Mamaliga and Mrs R.B. Hickerson- And I am John Henry these two ladies here in room 104 of the conference center at 1300 George Bush Drive in College Station. This interview is sponsored by the historic preservation committee and the conference center advisory committee of the city of College Station, Texas as part of the Memory Lane History. And we already asked you to introduce yourself. Thank you for helping us today and Jennifer a student. So we'd like to get started with the interview here, by asking you some questions to talk about the first time you remember living in College Station. What do you remember? Mrs. Hickerson- I moved here in the month of June of 1936, my husband came here in 1935. We built a house on Pershing Street. I am still living in that house. And we were the fifth house on Pershing street. Would you like the names of the other people? The Badges , the Finneys, he was in the math department. He owned two houses next door to me, one they lived in, and one they rented out to Dule Rollins who was a coach at A &M. And across the street, the Edmonsons. He was in the Math department. We lived on the corner of Pershing and our daughter was 2 years old when we moved into that house in October of 1936. Soon after we built our house many others started building the Dowks and the McGees, and the people behind us whose name is Spencer. Mitchells and the Mcgees have a house on Sutton behind us. We all had small children except the Mitchells, they had a grown daughter. The Spencers had no children. They all started at Consolidated. When we moved here they were going to school on campus. My children started school they started school at Consolidated in these little buildings. We all went to dining hall church. All denominations. I can't remember who pulled out first I think it was the Baptist, then the Atheist, then somebody else until first thing you notice, all that was left was the Presbyterian church. And then, we had to move out of the dining hall and into the YMCA. We met there for several years, and when the war was over they got one of those barracks and built Grace A &M Presbyterian Church. John Henry - Why did you move here to College Station? Mrs. Hickerson - My husband was transferred here in 1935 from El Paso. I was teaching, he came about 6 months before I moved. John Henry - What was his occupation? Mrs. Hickerson - He was with the Agricultural Extension Service. He was in communication John Henry - Was it hard to find a house here? Mrs. Hickerson - We built a house and down on Park Place there were some empty lots my daughter had a Shetland Pony and we built a pen and a shed down there about two blocks from our house. John Henry - Who built the house, or helped you design it, architecture? Mrs. Nickerson - We had an architect named Smith from Hearne and I can't remember the builders name from Huntington. John Henry - What kind of facilities and services did you have at that time? Mrs. Hickerson - We didn't have any pavement, and we didn't have good water right at first. A &M had some wells somewhere, and we would just borrow from A &M at first. They didn't incorporate until '39. We did have electricity and water, and telephones. John Henry - What about transportation there? Mrs. Hickerson - Not any better now, about the same as it is now. There was a bus that came in from Bryan and we could go and get on that bus and go into Bryan. John Henry - What high school activities did your children have? Mrs. Hickerson - My children went to school here until they got into junior high school and then they transferred into Bryan because at that time they didn't have all the subjects they have now like in high school they offer chemistry one year and physics the one year. Our daughter was a musician and she wanted to be in the choir, so we let her go to Bryan. Our son was an athlete, played basketball and baseball so we let him go to Bryan because they had more competition over there and they did win state while he was still in high school. But the school has changed a lot. John Henry - Tell me about community life. Mrs. Hickerson - Well I thought it was the best I've ever known anywhere I've ever lived. Especially with our children, they were perfectly happy all the time. We had a neighbor across the street named Grant that owned the Gulf filling staion here. He had an extra lot and he didn't build on it for a long time. The children liked to play on that and they called Grant Field. And all the neighborhood children would get together after school every day and play basketball and baseball, or whatever was in season. But if they got in a fuss or fight, Mr. Grant would send them home. There were very few disagreements. John Henry - You had a sense of community here? People having common interests and needs? Mrs. Hickerson - I don't think we could have lived in a community better for our children. We never locked our doors. I didn't lock my doors until after I started teaching. But I lock them now. John Henry - Go back to your teaching there. Tell me again about the years that you taught and where? Mrs. Hickerson - I taught in Bryan, 4th grade, about 20 years. I didn't start back until my son was in junior high school. John Henry - So your husband didn't have any type of business or any other interests, that was your total occupation and you moved here from ... El Paso .. and your husband .. . Mrs. Hickerson - He was still with the college when we left. John Henry - Tell us about community events, ball games, bonfires... Mrs. Hickerson - We went to all the bonfires and all the football games and the yell practice was in front of the YMCA. They had a picture show at the assembly hall and one night we came out of the picture show and we couldn't find our car. And we started looking for it, and we found it between those high steps and the wall at the YMCA, over the sidewalk. And the boys out in the street laughed a little bit and out walked about ten of them who picked it up and put it back on the street. We had faculty dances and social clubs. My daughter and son both took horseback riding from Mr. Gerrigan, he was very good. John Henry - The events on campus were the types of events mainly that you participated in? Mrs. Hickerson - Study clubs and social clubs, there was activity all the time, just like it is now. John Henry - How about community types of leaders in the area, South Side? Mrs. Hickerson - Ernest Langford, he was our first mayor. He was over in College Hill, I mean College Park. He was mayor for a long time. Seems like everyone took part in helping. Everyone was poor, so we were all in the same boat that way. We didn't have that much money, but we did a lot of things. When my husband came here, his salary was $200 a month. My house and lot was about $5,000. I could probably get $125,000 for it now. John Henry - Tell us about that period of time that you think would be of interest to generations to come. Tell us about where you shopped, and where you bought things. Mrs. Hickerson - Pretty soon after I moved here, Lester's opened up. We shopped at Lester's, and I wish they were still here. And we shopped at Lou Patronellas for our groceries. And every time we went in he gave my little daughter a piece of candy. And one time we went in there and he was busy and he didn't give her one, so she got one. I didn't know until I got back to the car, so I made her take it back and give it back to him. I didn't get much cooperation. Holicks was over there. Mr. Lipscom had a drugstore at North Gate. They lived on Pershing street, I mean they lived on Lee street. We bought gasoline from Mr. Grant, of course he was our neighbor. Gloria Mamaliaa - We moved here in 1947. And we came for the opportunity because there was housing. The University gave us housing out at Bryan field. At that time A &M had the freshman stationed out there. So we had housing out there. But then it was closed and we moved into South Side. Never, never, all of our friends went to college field, we were never going to cross Texas Avenue and I still feel that way after all these years. I want to live right in the neighborhood that I'm in. Thank God the cemetery is on the right side of town. I want to be buried on this side of Texas Avenue, not the other, and I don't know why, but a lot of people felt that way. This particular park which is now George Bush which used to be Park Place, there was something very special about the community. These opportunities that our children had then, even though I'm ten years or so down the line, there just was such a wonderful feeling. I'm from Chicago, your next door neighbor could be dead for a year and not even know it. I was ill, very, very ill, nearly died in 1950 and strangers from our street came in and took care of me and my little boy. My husband was working. Things that people did for you, I know people in this town who didn't even have a key to lock their house, and what keys they did have were skeleton keys. For a nickel you could buy a key and open any body's door. And my son when he started first grade was in Mrs. Sloops class, and she died during Paul's first year. She taught the Phonics system that they used in Consolidated. It was really quite a tragedy because you don't usually hear of a first grade teacher dying. Mrs. Sloop did, of pneumonia. John Henry - When did you move? Mrs. Mamaliaa - In '49. We lived in a rent house on Montclair our address there was 105, then they changed it to 201. I don't know why. It was a rent house. We rented from Joe Faulk who had a small business of hardware at South Side with Joe Davis which was one time his confidant at A &M. I don't think the hardware was there very long, kind of a variety hardware store. Very few people remember that. On the corner was a grocery store where the bookstore is now and South Side grocery store. A very young man named James Winn was the butcher who later went on to own his own grocery store. People did for each other, like breathing. Everybody was family, it didn't matter, and as she said, everybody was sort of in the same boat. We didn't have high expensive paid professors which every university needs. Every body was kind o f in the same boat. John Henry - Your husband was in what profession? Mrs. Mamaliaa - He was in the physical education department and the athletic department. He was a swimming coach and assistant diving. John Henry - Did you have outside employment? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Yes I did, just a short time. We had a little girl that died, and I went to work to kind of help me out. I worked at North Gate at the Shaffers Bookstore and for a short time at Holicks Boot Shop during the rush when the kids all came back to school. Most of the employees made 50 cents an hour, but Shaffers paid me $1.00 an hour. In 1950 they paid 50 cents an hour. But I joke about it now, in those years I went to the beauty parlor every week and had a maid before we hardly made any money and could afford it. Now I have money and can't afford full time help. But my son, who graduated from this building which was the high school, and the auditorium over there. When it was time for him to go to college, he chose to go to Texas. We couldn't understand why, but later on I realized. He grew up on campus. He could do anything, he played on campus. Dining hall was his baby- sitter. You gave a child a quarter, and Mr. Putty knew that the kids were doing this. One girl would buy a ticket and go and open the bathroom window in the ladies room, and all the kids would pile in. And as long as they kept their cups and popcorn containers he just kept feeding and feeding them. Thank God he's dead. But, I mean, they did everything. They got to play tennis. Of course, they didn't have the golf course. They were just like adopted. John Henry - Most of the setup was on campus. Mrs. Hickerson - All the children could participate, like the horseback riding, and the swimming and the tennis and do you remember when they built that slab out there? Mrs. Mamalipia - We'd go to the picture show there, and we would take our own lawn chairs and have a picnic. It was called the Grove. We were just a much a part of it as the kids were. I remember the first brick that was laid for the MSC. I was one of the hostesses and Laura Adamson was the chairperson to provide the hostesses with the open house that they had. Mrs. Hickerson - They made a movie, and my daughter was a girl in that movie of the making of the MSC and the activities. Mrs. Mamaliaia - Grove Street at one time Dr. Andre lived there in the house that Rose lived in. Shirley Riser and her husband lived there, Raymond Riser, lived there. He's a renowned authority in his field. He's the one who said we shouldn't eat eggs years ago. But the thing is, all these big people who went to the big and beautiful homes all kind of started in South Side. Then we moved, Dr. Woodard passed away, and we moved one block from Montclaire to Highland. Talking about the field, we had a large backyard, and all the kids played, and Ed Garner, who had a business at North Gate, gave a little baseball bat. And the kids would all come to the backyard. I provided them with water, but if they had to go to the bathroom, they had to go home. John Henry - Do you remember what you paid for your house? Mrs. Mamalialia - Yes, we bought our house in '56, and we paid $8,600. And I was just telling Carl, the closing cost for everything was $66, and we couldn't even afford that. We paid about six dollars a month to Bryan Building and Loan, which I know there will be references made to Luther Jones in our community. Luther Jones is responsible for helping so many people loaning them money which he could have been a bank all by himself. We borrowed the money for a down payment which is illegal in Texas, you can't borrow money outright like that. But he said don't tell Ilene Rogers. Our loan was $2000 and was at 6% interest. But there were people in College Hills who were only paying 4% interest because they all got the GI housing. There were a couple people who were paying 3 1/2% interest for their homes. These were the government homes. John Henry - Back to where you were at Annex, where did you go to church? Mrs. Mamaliva - They had services out there on the grounds, but when we first came we went to St. Joseph's, and then later on we moved to St. Mary's. And My grandmother was the first adult to be buried at the new, present St. Mary's. The old St. Mary's is where the filling station is now. It was there a long time. And there used to be a street car that people don't seem to remember that ran from College Station to Bryan. I love shocking people by telling them when I came to College Station, the only thing you could buy for a women was kotex. There were wonderful men's stores at Northgate, drugstores. I remember when Ed Mabie put in the hosiery rack that was a wonderful thing. The bathroom facilities, you could go to the YMCA, and there was one ladies room at the football field, which after a couple of flushes was always water. They did nothing for women in that early day. John Henry - What type of organizations did you have here? Mrs. MamaliRa - The A &M women's social club which used to meet in the YMCA. Just right after the war stopped meeting at homes because enrollment was tripled, and the faculty was also. We had Study club, that's the oldest club on campus. And they had gardening clubs. Of course they had hard licorice where they had the best barbecue in town, more than you could possibly eat for 75 cents a big plate. They used to kid about it, some of the professors went down there after 5 o'clock to drink beer all the time. And I come, and this one gentleman and old timer, and they say Gloria what are you doing here? And they have a little grocery store, and the barbecue. It was quite a popular place in the '40's. I don't know of any other places to eat in South Side. Mabel's, you could get sandwiches at Mabel's. Mrs. Hickerson - We didn't have any place in Bryan or College Station for a long time. John Henry - Where did you go to buy things if you didn't buy them here? Mrs. Mamaliaa - I bought them in Chicago and Houston. We went to Houston to shop a lot. We would travel with 4 or 5 ladies by car, spend the day. It took a little longer then, although there wasn't a speed limit. Actually, if they didn't know you in some of the better ladies shops, they wouldn't wait on you. John Henry - Let me ask you about the war years. Now let's see, this would be you. You would be here. Now, the war was over in '45, you were here before that. What was it like during the war? Mrs. Hickerson - Well, we did without all those things, the gasoline was rationed, and sugar was rationed, coffee was rationed. I had a neighbor who didn't like coffee, so she gave me her coffee coupons, and we didn't eat much sugar, so I gave her my sugar coupons. It didn't bother me, I wasn't bothered by it very much. John Henry - What were the activities of the students? Mrs. Hickerson - We did a lot of red cross work, but it didn't affect my living very much, our lives. John Henry - After the war, what were the changes with the war ending, and the students and the families here? Mrs. Hickerson - A lot of soldiers came back with the GI Bill. Things really increased. John Henry - And this is where you came in, at that time in '47, and you came from Chicago? Mrs. Mamaliza - Well, we came from Canton, Ohio, but that was just a short time after the war, when my husband was home. John Henry - And you came here so your husband could work at the university? The student population increased, and it was mainly a lot of them coming back from the war, and there were a lot of marriages and new families developing. Were there any problems there or anything? Mrs. Hickerson - And then because of that bill a lot of boys who had to leavecame back and got their masters degrees, and brought their families with them. We got a lot of extra families in College Station right after the war. Mrs. Mamaliza - But they had all these barracks on campus and a lot of the houses they just recently tore down on South Side. Those were all for married students. And part of the housing over at Northgate was an extension of housing. They were army barracks which were left over for housing. Mrs. Hickerson - Those compact houses were built back during the depression. The ones on South Side. John Henry - Lets talk about the depression. When did they get out of it around here? Mrs. Hickerson - After the war things started getting better, as far as finances. And from then on there were little increases all along, in salaries, and building and everything. Mrs. Mama laia - Now at one time didn't they couldn't meet their payroll, and they payed in script or something? Mrs. Hickerson - That was before the war, when we first moved here in 1936. The worst part of the depression was from '34 to '40. John Henry - How about job opportunities here other than the university. Were all the people employed at the college at that time? Were there other job opportunities? Mrs. Hickerson - None. I didn't know anybody who didn't have a job at A &M. Most of them worked at A &M in some form or another except Mr. Grant and he owned his own filling station. Mrs. Mamalaia - There were no opportunities for the unemployed high school, like sacking groceries or something. John Henry - Were there jobs for those who graduated from A &M at that time? Mrs. Hickerson - A few of the Ag Extension Service hired some candidates that graduated. Mrs. Mamalaia - Well, most of the people who graduated came from another community. Then they went back to that community. There really wasn't any employment except in stores, and at the university. John Henry - In reading about some history of this area, there were some problems with starting the incorporating and electing city councilmen and mayor and working with the university. Are you familiar with that? Mrs. Hickerson - Well, there were some people who didn't incorporate. Mrs. Mamaliaa - Well yes, but several of our professors witheld, our mayor had to resign, President Holt, because he was employed by the university. There were many number of people who had to resign from their positions. John Henry - You remember Frank Anderson? Track coach here. Do you remember what position he held in the city government. In other words, was he mayor? Mrs. Hickerson - No, he wasn't the mayor. There was an Anderson mayor, but it wasn't Frank Anderson. John Henry - Speaking of Dick Herbe. Mrs. Nickerson - Dick Herbe was with student services, and later mayor. John Henry - Colt was after that. Mrs. Mamaliaa - I thought he was before. It was just a short time. John Henry - So you were able to get better services after? Mrs. Hickerson - They were much better. They've been increasing ever since. Sewage improved greatly after the war. Mrs. Mamaliaa - Before the war started they started to develop South Side. Several homes, Art Anderson built his before the war. But they put sewage in and they had to stop. And people further on had septic tanks. Mrs. Hickerson - I did, I had a septic tank for about, must have lasted five to seven years. We didn't really get into the sewar business until after the war. John Henry - Would you like to tell us anything about Holick? It's been in business a long time and you worked with them. Mrs. Mamaliaa - I just worked the counter. They were always very, very busy getting their boots made. Holick was certainly an ambition of every aggie senior who wanted their senior boots made there. There was one young man who started putting a quarter in a bank. And when it came time for him to buy his boots, he brought in this big box of quarters he had been saving since he was in the first grade. Mrs. Hickerson - And then they cost about 50 dollars and now what are they about $400? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Again, everybody was very friendly, and you were just there to help kids bring their shoes in, take their shoes out. I mean it wasn't any big deal. At the present time I have one of the Holick boot people family in this class that I have at St. Joseph's. And she just recently told me she would have to miss class for several days because her mother was getting very upset because she wanted to go to Las Vegas. Her 100 year old mother. That's who you should talk to. Go to Las Vegas because she loves to gamble. I'll tell you another thing: On Sunday afternoon, after my husband played golf, in order to please me, we would go for ice cream or something. And my favorite sport was to ride down Lee and Pershing. My ambition at the time wa if I just own a house over there - I'd have everything. I didn't quite make it to Pershing, but were just one house off of Pershing and it ended at Park Place. John Henry - Let me ask you about memorabilia. Do you have any historic photos, or drawings or anything that should belong to this group here or the archives? Mrs. Hickerson - I'd have to dig in and find them all. I don't have any idea where they are. I have some pictures of my house when we first built it. But we've redone the house and it looks really different now. John Henry - Any historic photos, old drawings or photos inside your house. Mrs. Mamaliaa - I have football memorabilia that my husband has. John Henry - Do you have any humorous stories about students and the events that took place? Mrs. Hickerson - When my son was twelve years old when he was first baseman in baseball which he played in high school_ and when we visited West Texas and they had a hardware store and we stopped and tried to find a left handed first baseman mit. We didn't find one and we came back and I went to Ed Garner's. And I said Do you have a left handed first basemans mit? And he says We have one, but we have it put back for Dick Hickerson. They called him Dickie Hickerson. He had it put back for Christmas and he had already told him to put it back for him. And he did, he put it back for him He was really good to the young athletes in this league. And he still is. He sponsored little league. John Henry - I have a question here about family development like the collection of spouse and marriages and so forth. Is there anything in regards to the community here that makes it unique to talk about? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Well Red Cashion was born and raised here married a local girl. Mrs. Hickerson - My son married a local girl. She didn't live in College Station, she lived somewhere between here, but she came to school in Bryan. My next door neighbor married Bill Lancaster's sister. They got married in Bryan. John Henry - I just wondered if they had a lot of marraiges during the war and after the war. Mrs. Hickerson - Lots of marraiges, I've gone to lots of weddings. But I can't think of anything unusual about a wedding developing. Mrs. Mamaliaa - And George and Kathryn I, to this day, right now, even in this present situation, College Station is still the best place to raise children. Mrs. Hickerson - My children tell people that they grew up in the best place in the world. They felt that way about it. John Henry - Participated in all the activities the university and community? Mrs. Hickerson - They were almost like brother and sister. Jake McGee was a year older than my daughter and right now they're almost like brother and sister. They just love to be together. John Henry - So they had everything here in the way of social and businesses they were not adequate to start with where you could purchase things, but how are they now? Mrs. Hickerson - I can't think of a place that would be better to live. Mrs. Mamaliga - I mean, growth throughout the world had its problems, but A &M is certainly slower to get the hefty problems that were going on all over the United States. Our local sheriff and police people and university people, if any of them came in by bus they were turned away, or put back on it. How long have you been here? John Henry - '47 is when I started the university, here. Mrs. Mamaliaa - OK, well then you know that. We came in '47, the same time. You know, we chaperoned dances. Mrs. Hickerson - We chaperoned dances in the mess hall. Had all the big bands here. It was wonderful. Mrs. Mamalipa - I mean I want to know where in the United States I need to take a child to a picture show. Where the manager of the theater was watching out for all of our kids. John Henry - This is the campus theater you were talking about? Mrs. Mamaliaa - I'm talking about Gyne Hall. It would cost more money to go to campus. Mrs. Hickerson - I think they went for a nickel or dime. But every Sunday afternoon they met in front of our house, all Pershing and Lee street. They could be from 5 years old to 16, and they all went over to the dining hall to watch the picture show for a nickel or dime. Mrs. Mamaliaa - Well then a tax went on. It was 10 cents plus 2 cents tax that went on during the war. We had a football coach here, Ray George and his two boys were so bad, that they has to raise the theater to a quarter. John Henry - Let me ask you to describe a bad work day. Did you have any bad work days? Ya'll said how good they were, I don't know, did ya'll have any bad days? In school or community? Mrs. Hickerson - We remember the good things, anyway. Mrs. Mamaliaa - While Paul was in the 5th grade, that would be '55 or '56, We had a very, very bad incident of homosexuality that was so bad, the principal, Les Richardson, had to send notes home to the parents, particularly the boys. One of our local people who still lives here, his son was brutalized on what is now the golf course. We were all just horrified and shocked that such a thing could happen. And they sent home notes warning us. John Henry - Do you remember when FDR was here for some sort of campaign? Mrs. Hickerson - I could've reached out and touched him as he passed by in that car. I was on the sidelines. He was at Kyle Field. I remember it quite well. And Eisenhower came too, during Easter one time. John Henry - Jennifer, do you have any questions here that you would like to ask these ladies? I think they've given us a lot of good information here and we appreciate it. Jennifer - I didn't have quite as much to contribute like you do, but I thought I wanted to hear what everybody else had to say. Mrs. Hickerson - Well Bill Lancaster, lately for a long time they were building a house to live in until next year. But they were here before that. Mrs. Mamaliva - Mrs. Lancaster, the original Mrs. Lancaster, when her son moved into the house, I came by there driving home and all these boxes and things were all out over the front yard and I went home to tell my friend Rose Fischer - I said, "Oh did you know that Mrs. Lancaster died ?" So she immediately called Elsie and she was at a bridge party and she says Oh! I mean, I had the whole town upset because all these boxes were out and this was not true. The old Mrs. Lancaster was in India or Africa or something on a safari. And the reason for all the boxes, she was a music teacher and she had boxed music, she might have their birth certificates and then they found maybe a savings bond, a deed to the house. I mean they had all these boxes out there to sort through. I had the town pretty upset. Mrs. Hickerson - She taught my children music. She taught my daugter piano for six or seven years, and my son just took one year. She said she quit teaching to get rid of him. He wasn't very musical. John Henry - Do you have any stories you want to tell about the teachers and the education system? Mrs. Hickerson - Except that time I was picking my son up and taking him to the doctor's office. Mrs. Mamaliaa - We just lost two very sweet teachers Mrs. Rogers and Mrs. Hamm Mrs. Hickerson - In fact, Mrs. Hamm taught one of them twice. She taught kindergarten and she taught fifth grade. John Henry - Your husband did a lot of traveling in his extension work on the radio a lot. Do you want to tell us anything? Mrs. Hickerson - I stayed at home with two kids a lot by myself when he was traveling a long time say twenty or thirty years. He didn't travel as much the last few years so it got better, but when we first moved here, I spent a lot of time by myself. Everyone who was in the extension service went through the same thing. Now after he got into communications he would not travel as much. John Henry - Were you a member of the Extension Women's Organization? Mrs. Hickerson - Yes I was. John Henry - Are you still in it? Mrs. Hickerson - No, I got out of all organizations. I gave up golf. I gave it up when I was 85. Twenty years after I retired from teaching, I went out there and he said I had a pretty good swing and if I worked on it, then I could play. And I did. He was always so complimentative of me, I really did like him. But I did get shots in the lower ninetys most of the time. Every once in a while I would get in the eighties. But I was 65 when I gave up golf. I played for twenty years. John Henry - Did you play on campus? Mrs. Hickerson - No, I played at the country club. I don't belong now, but I did then. After I didn't play golf, and my husband died, I couldn't use it very much. So I got out of it. John Henry - Would you like to tell us about your husbands work? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Well, yes, my husband wrote the Weight training book which has been used at A &M longer than any other book has been used. He coordinated and worked with Randy Mathson. Randy was always giving him credit for collective strengths and what have you. Mrs. Hickerson - He taught my son diving Mrs. Mamaliaa - Yes, and, well they used to book him eight years passed , and I gave him money for an endowed scholarship. I was asked to give an award 2 years ago in his honor. And I told them it was a really hard thing being here at A &M because my husband had a mistress for years, 37 years, and it was hard to compete against her - and it was A &M. We came for nine months the first time we came. We didn't bring a blanket, we never thought it got cold. They brought us out some blankets, and I think they were camping blankets and I think they used them for the horses. Those old Army blankets that smell so bad. My husband always said, "If I had money, I wouldn't even take my paycheck," he loved A &M so much and always had time for it. He had a rehab program for boys with handicaps, an adapted program. And one night at Northgate I was sitting in the car and my husband went to the post office to mail some letters and a young man approached him and started swinging his arms, and I thought my husband was being attacked. But the young man was hugging my husband who had taught him to ride a bike. But it scared me so. But there was a boy who came to A &M while my husband was here, a diver did fall and had spinal injuries and was paralyzed and he worked with him every day for an hour a day of rehab. But my husband loved and thought it was wonderful when the girls started. He said it was such a delight when he could sit outside his office and watch the pretty girls. He is really glad my daughter is an A &M graduate. Our daughter is the first girl of a coach to have a scholarship for basketball. Talking about Colonel Landing, a book could really be written about him, but his wife was just as darling and colorful as you could ever imagine. They had a party one time, a Christmas Party, and she was the most gracious, lovely hostess. She was fixing the punch in this antique cut glass bowl which belonged to their family from way back. The ice somehow hit it and it just split in two. And she just carried on, any other woman would have fainted, and cried, and screamed, and she just said, "It's just a punch bowl." That bowl today would probably be worth about a thousand dollars. It was on a stand, and it was just gorgeous. But they were a delight and they lived on South Side, they had a big old campus home. John Henry - What about PL Downs or Pinkie Downs did you know anything about them? Mrs. Hickerson - I still have the tie he gave my husband. He gave all his friends an A &M tie and all the athletes. Mrs. Mamaalia - And he couldn't hear good in his latter ear. No matter what you'd ask him he'd say, "Same of ... Gig em Aggies. " His daughter was a colorful person. College Station had a wonderful swim program. Mrs. Hickerson - My daughter was on the College Station swim team. Mrs. Mamaliaa - See they had swimming classes for the women and golf lessons they offered to the wives. Mrs. Hickerson - See I never took those golf lessons. I didn't know I could play golf. First golfer I ever heard of was Gene Sanders. He was running up and down the steps in Washington D.C. on the Capital Building to get ready for the British Open. Mrs. Mamazlia - Art gave 48 hours a day of his time. I said you'll never be able to follow in God's footsteps, I mean, the coach that did come in had a rough time because everybody in this town expected him to be another Art Adamson and there was never going to be another Art Adamson. Believe it or not, Art was against the outdoor pools that we have on campus. He thought they should never be used. He and I used to joke and drive by there and it was body to body, you couldn't walk. I said you know that is a shame you never use this pool. And they swam thier last meet at the pool which was going to be torn up or blown up or whatever you do with pools. John Henry - Have you heard what all is in this new building? It apparantly has a rock climbing wall. Mrs. Hickerson - Now they are going to start a new basketball arena. Mrs. Mama laia - The auditorium next to the swimming pool was used first before G. Rollie White. When you went to a basketball game there, you would have to hold your nose because of the men's lockeroom. And you absolutely could not hear for two days after you would come out because of that small place and the band playing. Mrs. Hickerson - When I first came here they played basketball in that field house right next to the pool. It was named after a football player. Mrs. Mamalgia - So you see we have some fun here. They wanted you to come and be a part of it. John Henry - The community is mainly the university then as well, here. Mrs. Mamalaia - Yes, of course, I still think it is. I mean, there is other things. John Henry - How about use or coverage, how do you feel about that? Mrs. Mamalpia - I think they get too much. A &M gets too much. Mrs. Hickerson - They've got some schools up in Dallas and I know of some things that have happened up there. John Henry - Well, I don't know how much more we want to spend here. C V C 1. N - 4 V t . _ . , . - t I ) " - t,,r . L j , .,a ,�.�. - +U ?. 14 -1- Aft . ,4 vA k. I,Q_ 6 66 cod. c r fr 1 t a- r` . ,4.. \g, t i.. v . 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'A.i Ct- ,L.,_ b " 41- N ck % ' - 6 (- WASKE AN PA-U.962U 1c 'to ett- I cinit 6-kw's 0 ., t _ La tali 6,10),4* SiA City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project This is A// Today is /LTA r� ti ,2 (month) (day) (year) I'm interviewing for the Ar2,', time Miss, Ms., Dr., Etc.) ( /pr ehe F C /Gr, (Mr., Mrs., This interview is taking place in Room %, of The at 1300 George Bush Dr. College Station , Texas . This interview is sponsored by the Historic Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisory Committee of the City of College Station, Texas. It is part of the Memory Lane Oral History Project. Have each person introduce themselves so their voice is identifiable on the tape recorder. This is John Henry and Today is March the 24th, 1995. I am interviewing for the first time, I would like you to say your name . Mareen Madely -Mrs R.B. Hickerson- And I am John Henry these two ladies here in room 104 of the conference center a t 1300 George Bush Drive. In College Station. This interview is sponsored by the history preservation committee and the conference center advisory committee of the city of College Station Texas . For the memory Lane History. And we already asked you to introduce yourself thank you for helping us today and Jennifer a student so we'd like to get started with the interview here. by asking you some questions to talk about the first time you remember living in College Station. What do you remember? Mrs. Hickerson- I moved here in the month of June of 1936, my husband came here in 1935. We built a house on Pershing Street. I am still living in that house. And we were the first house on Pershing street. Would you like the names of the other people? The Badges , the Mckinney's, he was in the math department head, He lived next door to me, one they lived in one they rented out to Dule Rollins he was a coach at A &M. and across the street, the Edmonsons he was in the Math department and we lived on the corner of Pershing and our daughter was 2 years old when we moved into that house in October of 1936. Soon after we built our house many others started building the Dorks and the McGees, Mitchells and the Mcgees have a house on Sutton behind us. We all had small children except the Mitchells, they only have one. They all started at Consolidated. They were going to school on campus. My children started school they started school at Consolidated in these little buildings. We all went to dinning hall church. All denominations. Can't remember who pulled out first I think it was the Baptist. Then the Atheist, then we had to move out of the dining hall and into the YMCA. We met there for several years, and when the war was over they got one of those barracks and built Grace A &M Presbyterian Church. John Henry - Why did you move here to College Station? Mrs. Hickerson - My husband was transferred here in 1935 from El Paso. I was teaching, he came about 6 months before I moved. John Henry - What was his occupation? Mrs. Hickerson - He was in communication John Henry - Was it hard to find a house here? Mrs. Hickerson - We built a house and down on Park Place my daughter had a Shetland Pony and we built a pen and a shed down there about two blocks from our house. John Henry - Who built the house, or helped you design it, architecture? Mrs. Hickerson - We had an architect named Smith from Huntington. John Henry - What kind of facilities and services did you have at this time? Mrs. Hickerson - We didn't have any pavement, and we didn't have good water right at first. A &M had some wells somewhere, and we would just borrow from A &M at first. They didn't incorporate until '39. We did have electricity and water, and telephones. John Henry - What about transportation there? Mrs. Hickerson - Not any better now, about the same as it is now. There was a bus that came in from Bryan and we could go and get on that bus and go into Bryan. What high school activities did your children have? My children went to school here until they got into junior high school and then they transferred into Bryan because at that time they didn't have all the subjects they have now. Our daughter was a musician and she wanted to be in the choir, so we let her go to Bryan. Our son played basketball and baseball so we let him go to Bryan because they had more competition over there and they did win state when he was still in high school. but the school has changed a lot. John Henry - Tell me about community life. Mrs. Hickerson - Well I thought it was the best I've ever known anywhere I've ever lived. Especially with our children, they were perfectly happy all the time. We had a neighbor across the street named Grant. He had an extra lot they called Grant Field. And all the neighborhood children would get together after school every day and play basketball and baseball, or whatever was in season. There were very few disagreements. I don't think we could have lived in a community better for our children. We never locked our doors. I taught in Bryan, 4th grade, about 20 years. I didn't start back until my son was in junior high school. John Henry - tell us about community events, ball games, bonfires... Mrs. Hickerson - We went to all the bonfires and football games and the yell practice was in front of the YMCA. They had a picture show at the assembly hall and one night we came out of the picture show and we couldn't find our car. and we started looking for it, and we found it between the high steps and the wall at the YMCA, over the sidewalk. My daughter and son both took horseback riding from Gerrigan, he was very good. Study clubs and social clubs, there was activity all the time, just like it is now. John Henry - How about community types of leaders in the area, South Side? Mrs. Hickerson - Ernest Langford, he was our first mayor. Seems like everyone took part in helping. Everyone was poor, so we were all in the same boat that way. We didn't have that much money, but we did a lot of things. When my husband came here, his salary was $200 a month. My house and lot was $5,000. John Henry - Tell us about that period of time that you think would be of interest to generations to come. Tell us about where you shopped, and where you bought things. Mrs. Hickerson - Pretty soon after I moved here, Lester's opened up. We shopped at Lester's, and I wish they were still here. And we shopped at Lou Patronellas for our groceries. Mr. Lipscom had a pharmacy on North Gate. We bought gasoline from Mr. Grant, of course he was our neighbor. Gloria Mamaliaa - We moved here in 1947. and we came for the opportunity because there was housing. The university gave us housing out at Bryan field. At that time A &M had the freshman stationed out there. So we had housing out there. But then it was closed and we moved into South Side. Never, never, all of our friends went to Kyle field, we were never going to cross Texas Avenue and I still feel that way after all these years. I want to live right in the neighborhood that I'm in. Thank God the cemetery is on the right side of town. I want to be buried on this side of Texas Avenue, not the other, and I don't know why, but a lot of people felt that way. These opportunities that our children had then, even though I'm ten years or so down the line, there just was such a wonderful feeling. I'm from Chicago, your next door neighbor could be dead for a year and not even know it. I was ill, very, very ill, nearly died in 1950 and strangers from our street came in and took care of me and my little boy. Things that people did for you. I know people in this town who didn't even have a key to lock their house, and what keys they did have were skeleton keys. For a nickel you could buy a key and open any body's door. And my son when he started first grade was in Mrs. Sloops class, and she died during Paul's first year. It was really quite a tragedy when your first grade teacher dies. Mrs. Sloop did, of pneumonia. We lived in a rent house on Montclair our address there was 105, then they changed it to 201. I don't know why. It was a rent house. We rented from Joe Faulk who had a small business of hardware on South Side. I don't think the hardware was there very long, kind of a variety hardware store. Very few people remember that. On the corner was a grocery store where the bookstore is now. A very young man named James Winn was the butcher who later went on to own his own grocery store. Everybody was family, it didn't matter, and as she said, everybody was sort of in the same boat. We didn't have high expensive paid professors which every university needs. John Henry - Your husband was in what profession? Mrs. Mamalina - He was in the physical education department and the athletic department. He was a swimming coach and assistant diving. John Henry - Did you have outside employment? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Yes I did, just a short time. We had a little girl that died, and I went to work to kind of help me out. I worked at North Gate at the Shaffers Bookstore and for a short time at Holicks during the rush when the kids all came back to school. Most of the employees made 50 cents an hour, but Shaffers paid me $1.00 an hour. But I joke about it now, in those years I went to the beauty parlor every week and had a maid before. Now I have money and can't afford full time help. But my son, who graduated from consolidated. When it was time for him to go to college, he chose to go to Texas. We couldn't understand why, but later on I realized. He grew up on campus. He could do anything, he played on campus. Dining hall was his baby- sitter. One girl would buy a ticket and go and open the bathroom window, and all the kids would pile in. And as long as they kept this up they just kept feeding and feeding them. But, I mean, they did everything. They got to play tennis. We'd go to the picture show there, and we would take our own lawn chairs. It was called the Grove. We were just a much a part of it as the kids were. I remember the first brick that was laid for the MSC. I was one of the hostesses and Laura Adams was the chairperson. Grove Street at one time Dr. Andre lived there. Shirley Riser and her husband, Raymond Riser, lived there. He's a renowned authority in his field. He's the one who said we shouldn't eat eggs years ago. But the thing is, all these big people started in South Side. Then we moved, Dr. Woodard passed away, and we moved one block from Montclaire. We had a large backyard, and all the kids played. Ed Garner who had a business at North Gate, gave a little baseball bat. And the kids would all come to the backyard. I provided them with water, but if they had to go to the bathroom, they had to go home. John Henry - Do you remember what you paid for your house? Mrs. Mamalialia - Yes, we bought our house in '56, and we paid $8,600. The closing cost for everything was $66, and we couldn't even afford that. Luther Jones is responsible for helping so many people loaning them money. He should have been a bank all by himself. We borrowed money for a down payment which is illegal in Texas. But there were people in College Hills who were only paying 4% interest because they all got the GI housing. There were a couple people who were paying 3 1/2% interest for their homes. These were the government. John Henry - Where did you go to church? Mrs. Mamaliaa - They had services out there on the grounds, but we went to St. Joseph's, and then later on we moved to St. Mary's. My grandmother was the first adult to be buried at the new St. Mary's. The old St. Mary's is where the filling station is now. It was there a long time. And there used to be a street car that ran from College Station to Bryan. When I came to College Station, the only thing you could buy for a women was kotex. There were wonderful men's stores. The bathroom facilities, you could go to the YMCA, and there was one ladies room at the football field, which after a couple of flushes was always water. They did nothing for women in that early day. John Henry - What type of organizations did you have here? Mrs. Mamaliaa - The social club which used to meet in the YMCA. Just right after the war stopped meeting at homes because enrollment was tripled, and the faculty was also. We had Study club, which is the oldest club on campus. And they had gardening clubs. The best barbecue in town was 75 cents a plate. More than you could possibly eat. They used to kid about it, some of the professors went down there after 5 o'clock to drink beer all the time. And I come, and they say Gloria what are you doing here? And they have a little broken story, and the barbecue. It was quite a popular place. I don't know of any other places to eat in South Side. John Henry - Where did you go to buy things if you didn't buy them here? Mrs. Mamaliaa - I bought them in Chicago and Houston. We would travel with 4 or 5 ladies by car. It took a little longer then, although there wasn't a speed limit. John Henry - Let me ask you about the war years. What was it like during the war? Mrs. Hickerson - Well, we did without all those things, the gasoline was rationed, and sugar was rationed, coffee was rationed. It didn't bother me, I wasn't bothered by it very much. John Henry - What were the activities Mrs. Hickerson - We did a lot of red cross work, but it didn't affect my living very much. John Henry - After the war, what were the changes with the war ending? Mrs. Hickerson - A lot of soldiers came back with the GI Bill. Things really increased. John Henry - And this is where you came in, at that time in '47, and you came from Chicago? Mrs. Mamaliaa - Well, we came from Canton, Ohio. John Henry - And you came here so your husband could work at the university? The student population increased, and it was mainly a lot of them coming back from the war, and there were a lot of marriages and new families developing. Mrs. Mamaliaa - But they had all these barracks on campus and a lot of the houses they just tore down on South Side were for married students. They were army barracks which were left over for housing. John Henry - Lets talk about the depression. Mrs. Hickerson - After the war things started getting better. and from then on there were little increases in salaries, and building and everything. The worst part of the depression was in 1936 when the university had to pay salaries in script. How about job opportunities here other than university? Mrs. Hickerson - I didn't know anybody who didn't have a job at A &M. Most of them worked at A &M in some form or another. There were no opportunities for the unemployed high school, like sacking groceries or something. John Henry - Were there jobs for those who graduated from A &M at that time? Mrs. Mamalzia - A few of the Ag Extension Service hired some candidates. Well, most of the people who graduated came from another community. Then they went back to that community. In reading about some history of this area, there were some problems with starting the incorporating and electing city councilmen and mayor. Mrs. Hickerson - Several people including our mayor were forced to resign because of the position at the university. There were many people who had to resign from politics. John Henry - You remember Frank Anderson? Mrs. Mamaliza - No, he wasn't mayor, Dick Herbe was with student services, and later mayor. John Henry - So you were able to get better services after? Mrs. Hickerson - They were much better. They've been increasing ever since. Sewage improved greatly after the war. John Henry - Would you like to tell us anything about Holick? It's been in business a long time and you worked with them. Mrs. Mamaliza - I just worked the counter. They were all really busy getting their boots made. Holick was certainly an ambition of every aggie senior who wanted their senior boots made there. There was one young man who started putting a quarter in a bank. And when it came time for him to buy his boots, he brought in this big box of quarters he had been saving since he was in the first grade. Mrs. Nickerson - And then they cost about 50 dollars and now what are they about $400? Mrs. Mamaliza - Again, everyone was very friendly, and you were just there to help kids bring their shoes in, take their shoes out. At the present time I have one of the Holick boot people family in this class that I have at St. Joseph's. And she just recently told me she would have to miss class for several days because her mother was getting very upset because she wanted to go to Las Vegas. Her 100 year old mother. That's who you should talk to. Go to Las Vegas because she loves to gamble. I'll tell you another thing: On Sunday afternoon, after my husband played golf, in order to please me, we would go for ice cream or something. John Henry - Let me ask you about memorabilia. Do you have any historic photos, or drawings or anything that should belong to this group here? Mrs. Mamaliza - I have football memorabilia that my husband has. John Henry - I have a question here about family development like the collection of spouse and marriages and so forth. Is there anything in regards to the community here that makes it unique to talk about? Mrs. Mamaliza - Well young ones born and raised here married Local girls. I, to this day, right now, even in this present situation, College Station is still the best place to raise children. _My children tell people that they grew up in the best place in the world. I can't think of a place that would be better to live. A &M is certainly slower to get the hefty problems that were going on all over the United States. Our local sheriff and police people and university people, if any of them came in by bus they would turn away, or get back on it. How long have you been here? John Henry - '47 is when I started the university, here. Mrs. Mamaliza - OK, well then you know that. You know, we chaperoned dances. I mean I want to know where in the United States I need to take a child to a picture show. I'm talking about Gyne Hall. It would cost more money to go to campus, but every Sunday afternoon anyone from 5 years old to 16, and they all went over to the dining hall to watch the picture show. Well then a tax went on. It was 10 cents plus 2 cents tax. We had a football coach here, Ray George and his two boys were so bad, that they has to raise the theater to a quarter. John Henry - Did you have any bad work days? Mrs. Hickerson - We remember the good things, anyway. While Paul was in the 5th grade, we had a very, very bad incident of homosexuality that was so bad, the principal, Les Richardson, had to send notes home to the parents, particularly the boys. One of our local people who still lives here, his son was brutalized on what is now the golf course. We were all just horrified and shocked that such a thing could happen. And they sent home notes warning us. John Henry - Do you remember when FDR was here for some sort of campaign? Mrs. Hickerson - I could've reached out and touched him. I was on the sidelines. He was at Kyle Field. I remember it quite well. And Eisenhower came too, during Easter one time. John Henry - Your husband did a lot of traveling in his extension work on the radio a lot. Do you want to tell us anything? Mrs. Hickerson - I stayed at home a lot by myself when he was traveling a long time say twenty or thirty years. He didn't travel as much the last few years so it got better, but when we first moved here, I spent a lot of time by myself. Everyone who was in the extension service went through the same thing. Now after he got into communications he would not travel as much. John Henry - Were you a member of the Extension Women's Organization? Mrs. Hickerson - Yes I was. John Henry - Are you still in it? Mrs. Hickerson - No, I got out of all organizations. I gave it up when I was 85. Twenty years after I retired from teaching, I went out there and he said I had a pretty good swing and if I worked on it, then I could play. And I did. John Henry - Would you like to tell us about your husband's work? Mrs. Mamaliva - Well, yes, my husband wrote the Weight training book which has been used at A &M longer than any other book has been used. I gave him money for an endowed scholarship. I was asked to give an award 2 years ago in his honor. And I told them it was a really hard thing being here at A &M because my husband had a mistress for years, 37 years, and it was hard to compete against her - and it was A &M. We came for nine months the first time we came. We didn't bring a blanket, we never thought it got cold. They brought us out some blankets, and I think they were camping blankets and I think they used them for the horses. Those old Army blankets that smell so bad. My husband always said, "If I had money, I wouldn't even take my paycheck," he loved A &M so much and always had time for it. He had a rehab program for boys with handicaps, an adapted program. And one night at Northgate I was sitting in the car and my husband went to the post office to mail some letters and a young man approached him and started swinging his arms, and I thought my husband was being attacked. But the young man was hugging my husband who had taught him to ride a bike. But it scared me so. But there was a boy who came to A &M while my husband was here, a diver did fall and had spinal injuries and was paralyzed and he worked with him every day for an hour a day of rehab. But my husband loved and thought it was wonderful when the girls started. He said it was such a delight when he could sit outside his office and watch the pretty girls. He is really glad my daughter is an A &M graduate. Our daughter is the first girl of a coach to have a scholarship for basketball. Talking about Colonel Landing, a book could really be written about him, but his wife was just as darling and colorful as you could ever imagine. They had a party one time, a Christmas Party, and she was the most gracious, lovely hostess. She was fixing the punch in this antique cut glass bowl which belonged to their family from way back. The ice somehow hit it and it just split in two. And she just carried on, any other woman would have fainted, and cried, and screamed, and she just said, "It's just a punch bowl." That bowl today would probably be worth a thousand dollars. It was on a stand, and it was just gorgeous. But they were a delight and they lived on South Side, they had a big old campus home. John Henry - What about PL Downs or Pinkie Downs did you know anything about them? Mrs. Hickerson - I still have the tie he gave my husband. He gave all his friends an A &M tie and all the athletes. Mrs. Mamaalia - And he couldn't hear good in his latter ear. No matter what you'd ask him he'd say, "Same of ... Gig em Aggies. " His daughter was a colorful person. See they had swimming classes for the women and golf lessons they offered to the wives. Mrs. Hickerson - See I never took those golf lessons. I didn't know I could play golf. First golfer I ever heard of was Gene Sanders. He was running up and down the steps in Washington D.C. on the Capital Building to get ready for the British Open. Mrs. Mamaalia - Art gave 48 hours a day of his time. I said you'll never be able to follow in God's footsteps, I mean, the coach that did come in had a rough time because everybody in this town expected him to be another Art Adamson and there was never going to be another Art Adamson. Believe it or not, Art was against the outdoor pools that we have on campus. He thought they should never be used. He and I used to joke and drive by there and it was body to body, you couldn't walk. I said you know that is a shame you never use this pool. And they swam thier last meet at the pool which was going to be torn up or blown up or whatever you do with pools. John Henry - Have you heard what all is in this new building? It apparantly has a rock climbing wall. Mrs. Hickerson - Now they are going to start a new basketball arena. Mrs. Mama leia - The auditorium next to the swimming pool was used first before G. Rollie White. When you went to a basketball game there, you would have to hold your nose because of the men's lockeroom. And you absolutely could not hear for two days after you would come out because of that small place and the band playing. Mrs. Hickerson - When I first came here they played basketball in that field house right next to the pool. It was named after a football player. Mrs. Mama leia - So you see we have some fun here. They wanted you to come and be a part of it. John Henry - The community is mainly the university then as well, here. Mrs. Mamalaia - Yes, of course, I still think it is. I mean, there is other things. John Henry - How about use or coverage, how do you feel about that? Mrs. Mama leia - I think they get too much. A &M gets too much. Mrs. Hickerson - They've got some schools up in Dallas and I know of some things that have happened up there. John Henry - Well, I don't know how much more we want to spend here. 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Pages ( � Date g Pages 1 % Dates (name) Pages Where to: u12' on6:LL �omrndte,,J 2 Cep m&CL eeflh Pages Pages Date: Date: Date Date Date Date Date Date 'n r Date "` 1 Z1 tS Date The City of College Station, Texas Memory Lanes Oral History Project INTERVIEW AGREEMENT The purpose of The Historic Preservation Committee is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of the tape- recorded interview. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews become part of the archives of The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee to be used for whatever purposes may be determined. I have read the above and voluntarily offer my portion of the interviews with M.' f ��` - U c a �,(cu cc. p� C.An-y- 0, (Name of Interviewee) In view of the scholarly value of this research material, I hereby assign rights, title, and interest pertaining to it to The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and ConferInce enter dvi : o Committee. terviewer (signature Date Interviewer (Please Print, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. Co- 449/Z D �I A n) / _4_) a a Interviewee (Please print) Signature of Interviewee J 7 /7r Interviewer (Plea a Print) 7 i nature of Intervie L _ _ •. P Plac;I of Interview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. )E/)7/L) er Name Address -p r/J 3'T 7 .1/ . % >C Telephone 3 Date of Birth g -- 2.5 Place of Birth /yy i L ,� d2ec_� INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. ? Date Initial I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. 1 /h r- r P I f7 fc/ l" Interviewee (P eas print) Signature of nterviewee Interviewer �Ple se lint) Plac:'of Inte view 1/ Intervi er List of photos. documents. mans. etc. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET l' 14 _. �/n dress Telephone 5 qo_3 Date of Birth j 20 D 4 Place of Birth Date Initial INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city.