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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFaculty and Staff Panel 5Moderator: Notetaker: Camcorder: Interviewee: Room 105 Oral History Memory Lanes Support Staff and Faculty Beth Walterscheidt BW Lindsey Stoker LS Phillip Barroni PB Bill Lancaster BL Deliah Fleming DF Alice Edwards AE AE: E. O. Siecke was a first state forester here at the university. BW: E. O. Siecke you say? AE: Siecke BW: Okay AE: Now that is what I want to tell about, not myself, because I am not an A & M graduate and I am not :My husband was an employee of A &M, but he wouldn't come under this year factor. So I did want to talk about my uncle. BW: Your uncle? all right. AE: He came in the year 1918. First would you like to know where he was born and all that? BW: Yes. We could use that information. Couldn't we? AE: Okay. He was born and his death has there also. BW: Okay, you had that he was born on August 28, 1882 and he died May 13, 1974. Can we keep this report? AE: Yes BW: Okay. AE: And then also when he, I think I have there the time when he retired. BW: 1974 or.. AE: No that is when he died BW: Oh. AE: He retired in '42. BW: Okay, but you have here that he came to College Station in 1918. AE: Yes. He came, he was born in Wisnor, Nebraska in 1882 BW: When he came to College Station he came to be the forester on the campus? AE: He came as a graduate of the University of Nebraska, and his first position was with the forestry in Salem, Oregan. Then he came here. See lots of states had their forestry and Texas didn't. So he was the first Texas state forester. And they had a, I have the dedication and pictures. They had named a forest for him, E. O. Siecke Forest in Kirbyville, Texas that is on the East Boarder. LS: My mom was from Kirbyville, she was raised on a dairy farm. My grandma still lives in Kirbyville of Old Salem Rd. AE: Okay. I don't know where that is, but I have that and then the inside pages is an explanation. BW: Okay. We have can look at this AE: Yes there are a couple of civers there in that picture too. I think there are pieces there on the left. BW: And this is 1951? AE: Yes, that is when that was taken. Now I don't know whether you want that... BW: All right. If this is his picture. And it also says that he celebrates his anniversary, then we can look at this article, this newspaper article. Okay. AE: Then this, at the time of his retirement this is his comments taken from the four prominent Texas papers all commenting on his work. BW: And describes probably some of the things he did, I bet, from the Dallas News, Houston Cronicle, the San Antonio Express and the Houston Post. Okay. AE: And I also had a picture, it must be in the office, I had a big picture, three pictures of that I brought. BW: Of him? AE: Yes. A picture of his dedication and the picture of the monument that is at the entrance gate of this park and also a picture of the forest with big pine trees. BW: Okay, we will get some other questions in just a minute. All right, Mrs. Flemming would you tell us and introduce us to yourself and tell us who you are. DF: Well, I am Deliah Flemming and my husband was in the Mechanical Engineering Department for over thirty -seven years under MC W. Crawford. There are a lot of funny stories. He was in the division of wood shops and also in Mechanical Engineering courses, but one of the things I remember when we were married in 1936 was that student labor workers. That was still in the depression. And they received twenty -five cents an hour for cleaning the offices. And then in the lab if your work was very skilled, my husband would really go to bat to get thirty -five cents an hour. BW: We are introducing ourselves Bill. We are glad you,joined our group. What you can do is run up, sign that and go through the routine. We would like you to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself. And I got something other things that I need to go over with you before we really begin the stories. And we ask that you would speak to the camera and make sure that we can get everything recorded that we need to. BL: I am Bill Lancaster, I was born in College Station, so my kids just call me, I would like to think of myself as not historical, or historical, they just say I am history. So I would not like to think of myself as historical. But I have been around long enough that I would like to have an involvement in the recording of the history of the city. BW: Okay, well we are glad you are here. First off, let me explain a little about what this whole project is. Excuse me for reading, but I do want to make sure that I get all of the facts down. The City of College Station Historical Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisor Committee are talking to individuals about memories of our area from the 1920's, 30's and 40's through 1949. The oral history project called memory lanes consists of several topics of lanes. Today's the topic is the A &M campus early faculty staff and support staff. This includes anyone who worked on the campus as faculty, secretary, food service, plumbing, carpentering, post office, etc. The goal is to compile a book of memories which chapters of various topics the book will be available to school children and the libraries. Your memories are important and will add to the preservation of our community's heritage. I do need to go through some legal considerations first. I need to get a release form in writing, which I have right here, also the release form should be signed by each of you, and a separate agreement with each person. And I will also have sign an agreement myself and I need to ask you to sign the release before the oral history session. So we will do that right now. AE: I would have some more little stories or comments to add if you have time for it. BW: Yes, we have time for it, we are getting this taken care of first. If you need a pen I have a pen here. Do you need me to read this? AE: No, I think I will be able to BW: Here is a pen you need to print your name right here on the x along this line. AE: I don't need an guarantee anything if I just write it BW: That is okay we got also a picture of you doing it too AE: Okay BW: Phillip is doing a great job of the camera. All right now right underneath here are some small space where I need you to write your signature. AE: Right here? BW: Yes, that is perfect. AE: What do you think will happen? BL: I don't know, they lost some piece of property. There had been some in Dallas over time AE: Sure I sign something if that is more legal BW: Yes, I would imagine since this is a legal document. Lets see I can fill out the rest. I will need your address, which is.. AE: 1700 George Bush Dr. Apt. 218, College Station and the zip is 77840 BW: And your telephone number. AE: 696 -6207 BW: And also you date of birth. AE: Oh lordy, in 10 -8 -08 BW: I am an October person too AE: Oh, are you? BW: And the place of your birth AE: In Pileger, Nebraska BL: Is it hot in Nebraska mam? AE: Well, it is not as bad; we have some great rain. And there is no place hotter than here. BW: Believe that is all. Well, are you going to leave these documents to copy? AE: Yeah, if I get them back. BW: Sure, what I need to do is have you initial right there, right where the x is on this line That is great. DF: Right here? BL: Yes. AE: What do I about that picture? I have to take it back home with me. BW: Now you said it is in the Central Parking? AE: Ifs my daughters and I didn't know she had it made but it's a museum seal. So.. BW: Ok. Would you know where that is Mr. Lancaster? AE: She might have taken it. BL: Yeah, well it's probably out on that front table, I'm sure. BW: Oh, OK. BL: I'll take you home, so we'll be sure to get in before we go. AE: But I thought they thought they could take pictures of it through the glass. BL: They can, but they can't do it here. BW: Ok, I have a list of questions that need to be..can be used to feel more comfortable. Let's just start with your job, your family member job title and department and Mrs. Edwards...Can I call you Alice? AE: Yeah, sure. BW: You are here to talk about your uncle. So tell us his job title, his department and maybe a brief description of what he did. AE: Well, he was a State Director of Forestry, that was his title. He came here to start the forestry service, which is Texas H...and they have a member over by East Texas, near Palestine I think or Lufkin, near Lufkin. They have these big acres and acres where they start these pine trees and other than that, well I don't know. Well, I guess I'll tell you about his job. During his tenure I know he went to Germany one time to study forestry. BW: Now this was you said on your sheet, in 1918 that he came here? AE: That he came here, yes. BW: So that would have been when they started that forestry service? AE: Well, I don't know when he went to Germany, but it was during that period, but it wasn't in 1918. I don't think. BW: But that's when he started the forestry started? AE: Yes. BW: Was he on the A &M campus at that time? AE: No, he came here from Salem, Oregon..state of Oregon BW: So his office was on the A &M campus. AE: Yes, it was in the Administration Building BW: The one we still have today? AE: The big one. Yes on the East Gate BW: Yes. AE: And at that time all the staff members, there weren't that many, lived on campus and his home was right back where the presidential home is now. There was a little ravine down there. I remember he used to walk his dog down there all the time. After they moved, all the homes were taken off campus. He bought it and moved it down at the end of Glade and I think he added a garage to it. And the house still stands. BW: It's still there today. BL: It's still there and it's being remodeled right now. AE: Oh is it? Do the ... still have it? BL: No he sold it to a man named Henry... BW: It's at the corner of Glade and Southwest Parkway. AE: Yes, yes. BL: It's the next to the last house, new ones have been built. AE: It's a two story house. BL: Yeah I remember that as the E.O.Siecke home on campus. That was your uncle. AE: Yes. DF: Well that house is not as old as most of them on the campus, and I was told by my husband that that house was built for the college at that time it was a college architect Mr. Orth, I suppose that was O- R -T -H. Anyway, that was the first one to live there. And then, the head of publicity,..., after the Siecke's. But that house is a lot newer than most of the houses. BW: Mrs. Fleming, can I ask you to put your name plate in front of you? DF: Sure. BW: Phillip needs to be sure to see it to know who you are. All right would you like to tell us a little bit about your family member's job title? DF: My husband was David Fleming. He was in the Mechanical Engineering Department. He was an A &M graduate, graduated in 1930. He taught for 37.5 years in Mechanical Engineering. BW: You were telling us earlier, you mentioned something kind of interesting about a depression...twenty -five cent a day? DF: An hour. BW: An hour? Do you know what kind of things they would do? DF: They'd do custodial work. They swept and mopped -they had to do this at night and also get up and go back over to the buildings at 4 o'clock in the morning. I don't know why, maybe to finish their work, but anyway, they had to put in some of the hours, and it was only 25 cents per hour. The ones who were skilled and could work in labs only made 35 cents an hour and my husband really had to ... to get 35 cents per hour. BW: Now when you say go to...What do you mean? DF: Well, I mean to go higher up, to the administration and plead their case and say they're really worth more than 25 cents per hour. Some of his students became presidents of big companies. BW: How did they go to work? Today we have cars and can park in the garage. How did they get around? DF: They walked. Students weren't allowed to have cars. The rich ones had to park them in Bryan, in what is ACME Glass Co. now. They had to put them in storage and get them out on special occasions. BW: Now ACME Glass is the one right across from... DF: Not the one on Northgate, but the one way down in Bryan. BW: Mr. Lancaster, could you tell us a little about your family? BL: Ok. My father and mother came here in 1921 with the extension service. They had both been with the extension service back in Colorado. I guess they got word on whatever job was available, I guess it circulated among extension service people, but they came in 1921. They were involved with the first development the residential development on campus which is now College Park, the area around College Park. Dexter is the main street. My three brothers and 1 sister were born here after that grew up with the schooling system here and watched A &M grow. My father dies in 1950, I was 22 when that happened. My mother lived another 25 years after that. I married and had 3 of my children here and grandchildren, so we've been around for a long time. BW: In the extension service, what was their work? BL: He began as a district agent, is what they called it. You know there's county agents, and district agents. I don't know how many districts there are in TX, 10 or 12, but he was a district agent in South Texas. He later became a, what they call a pasture specialist in 1935. BW: Did he travel? BL: Oh yes he did. He traveled as all extension people did. At first he had to travel by train. As the highway system developed in 1920s and 1930s he started to travel more by car. We were, as most families were, a one car family. When he was gone, we were left a foot. We didn't have very far to go anyway, so we walked. It was an interesting period of time. I thought it was strange -very, very few people had 2 cars, even those who could afford it. I've always thought it was strange, but it was just a part of growing up. Two cars were not prominent until the 1950s. I guess. You rarely saw 2 car garage was somewhat a luxury. Now you see 3 and 4 car garages. That one car bit always fascinated me. I remember people who lived on campus didn't walk very far -they drove. An example: we went to church in the YMCA building and people who lived around the Drill Fiels would drive to the YMCA. It would've been shorter to walk, instead they'd drive two block, go to church and drive back. DF: Did you say South Side Development Co.? BL: Yes. DF: What's his name -the one who bought the house that's pink now? BL: Oh, Burchard. DF: The Burchards. We paid our utilities to them -the South Side Development Company. I guess you could say Mrs. Burchard was the treasurer. BW: So that was the area that first developed for the faculty and staff because they used to live on campus. BL: They lived on campus or in Bryan. BW: So the College Park was developed first. BL: Yes, and the 2nd development was South Oakwood, which Hershel L. Burgess developed that in the early 1930s. LS: What was his name? BL: Burgess- B- U- R- G- E -S -S. He was president of South Side development. There was a Z.W. Burchard, Daugherty, my father, Floyd Clark, and Dan Scoats, five members of South Side Development. AE: Why did he build that log cabin there close to his house? BL: It was temporary. AE: Didn't his sister -in -law have her studio there? Marie Hanes? BL: That's right. They built the house. Then built the log cabin next to it and lived in it to build a bigger house. The big house was built in 1924. AE: Was that part of what Nancy Snyder bought? BL: Yes. Her husband bought the log cabin and intended to move it off. BW: Alice, your uncle...what building on campus did he work in? AE: In the Administration building. BW: You said Administration Building. AE: The one that used to be and guess is still called the Administration Building. I have a little antidote that is kind of comical when my uncle came here he never told anybody that his father, see we were still fighting the Civil War, and my grandfather was in the, Civil War of a colored regiment in Wisconsin. He never told anyone that his father was from the north. BW: That's right. I imagine it was a well kept secret for a while. AE: Yes, we were still fighting the war and he was in the South BW: Mrs. Fleming -the engineering department on campus... BL: Near the Heaton Building DF: In the shops. I think it's what's called Thompson now. The Thompson Building. It's next door, there were two different buildings. BL: So they were a really big department then? DF: Well, it was very general then because aeronautical and so many other departments have gown out of Mechanical Department. Back in those days it was really more general. BL: Yeah. BW: And the extension service? BL: The extension service is what is now what they call the Trigon -the military science building. It was built as the extension service. The extension service originated in 1913 so it was built probably in 1915 or 1917. I remember some of the things as a child. I remember my father had an office on the 3rd floor and there was one telephone up there of the third floor. It was in a closet, and my friend, whose father was the associate director of the extension service. He had an office on the first floor and one of the most impressive things in that office was that he had a phone at his desk. It wasn't just a telephone, it was what we call a phone -those cradle phones. BW: Bill, would you say that your mother was also urban. BL: Not in Texas. She was in Colorado. She was actually the first state home administration agent in Colorado. So she spent the first 30 yr. of her life across the street in what was then called Colorado A &M. Then she moved and lived across the street for the rest of her life from Texas A &M. She was full of A &M for her life. BW: Just to know a bit of what it was like to live on campus at that time. Do you know if they got paid vacations, lunch breaks or things like that? DF: Well, if I can remember, you were guaranteed 9 months, and had to live 12 months. For some reason, I don't know why the engineering school seemed to pay better salaries than liberal arts and some of the others. And I remember my husband's salary was $223.23 a month when we married and we had to live for 12 months. Sometimes we had to live out of the First National Bank in Bryan and then we had to pay it back as soon as school started. The state didn't have enough money, and you had to discount the checks. I remember so well when I went to the bank that morning and the teller said, "Oh, Mrs. Fleming I have good news for you. I don't have to take out.. "It was 1 to 1.5 percent that they discounted you. But that was the beginning of a good check. BW: And that was how a discounted check was for everybody? DF: Yes. BW: And was the extension service that way also? BL: I'm not sure. If they received some federal loan, or what. But I heard discount things from everybody. BW: What about forestry? Do you know anything about discounted checks? AE: I don't know. I do remember at one time his salary was $5000 a year and I am sure it was 12 months a year. I'm from a farming area in Nebraska, and to us that sounded very good. BW: We talked about cars on campus. Where did they park? BL: Anywhere they wanted to. DF: Around the building, usually. BL: You could park anywhere you wanted to - there were no restrictions. BW: And of course the students couldn't drive on campus. Did they have bicycles? BL: They had bicycles. AE: Mainly foot. BW: How many students were here? We're talking probably what the '20s and the '30s? BL: I would say 3000 in the later '20s and 5000 toward the end of the '30s. Does that sound about right? DF: I remember Dean Bolton saying that they were going to have a 1000 increase in the Fall of '36. AE: We came in '58 and enrollment was about 8000. BL: That's right. BW: What was the teaching schedule? Did they have classes like they do now - Mondays/ Wednesdays and Fridays or Tuesdays/Thursdays? BL: Saturdays. BW: Saturdays ?? AE: Saturday mornings. BW: Would they run hour classes - 2 hours? BL: They were about 50 minute classes and 2 to 3 hour labs. BW: Very similar to today. That hasn't changed very much. What did you do during the summer time when you had time off. AE: You know the social life at that time was so much more laid back than it is now. They had lots of here on campus. Most of them come out of Bryan. DL: It was $3 a week - half a day - may be not every day on and we had laundry service. I remember the day there was a notice came out that we couldn't have any more laundry service because of the war. You would get your sheets and shirts and everything picked up on Monday or Tuesdays and back on Thursdays. You would pay the Fiscal Department that would run $4 or $5 /month/ We tried to keep the grocery bill for 2 people down to $27.00. BW: It was at the grocery store where ? DF: At Northgate. BW: ? DF: Yes, if you want to. But that was the thing. Whoever kept the car that morning would go to Northgate in the car and you could go straight down Houston street. We lived right off Bush, well what's now Bush. That's where we'd meet our friends. The street was called Jersey for many years. BW: The Departments - was this the whole campus or separate departments? AE: Oh, I think it was the whole campus. I don't think that there were that many departments. They weren't that large. BW: Now would this include the extension. BL: Now the extension service would be separate from most. They lived in Bryan. Though the director of the extension service did live on campus and the assistant director lived on campus at least until the '30s. But by enlarge, most of the employees, as I remember, lived in Bryan. There was a good interplay between the extension service, the forestry service, the experiment station. BW: Beside the parties... you said parties - what kind ? AE: Dinner parties. BW: And were there other forms of entertainment in town or on campus - like movies? AE: Well, I don't know. I - - - -. There was lot of talk about GUION hall that was really torn down and it was so well built that they can hardly demolish it. No air conditioning, I can remember that, at one time, the Cotton Ball was a big thing on campus that came in the spring. BL: There was a movie - a free movie on Sunday afternoon for students primarily, they reckoned no one else would come. It was in the assembly hall, a wooden building, where the old biggest chapel is now. Then later they used Guion hall as a theater to big screen movies, but there was movies offered during the week for 15 cents or something. LS: Could you spell that Hall Guion? DF: G U I 0 N. I remember going to the assembly hall to see a movie. The first time we were married. There was a balcony - it kinda remind you of a Shakespearean theatre. Anyway, there was a balcony and - - - -. My husband warned me that Reveille would be eating peanuts the Fish were throwing from the balcony. BW: There was a Reveille in the '30s. BL: Oh, yes... The original. BW: The original one. DF: They were actually right where my old farm is now on the old Wellborn road. BL: The devious distinction of haven't been bitten by the original one. AE: You know what year was that? BL: '32. AE: Because I know my husband finished at '31 and I remember him talking about Reveille then, but.. BL: '32 -'33, I am not sure. DE: That is about right. Same time my husband was.. BW: So they found her on the border around campus? They found her on hte Old Wellborn Road. DF: They said she had a broken leg or something. BL: They said that she was hurt on the highway. They brought her in. Nursed her back to health. From there she stayed. DF: It didn't matter which part of the building she was in, she was in charge. BL: Clean B. DF: Queen Bee. My husband and I would go to the mechanical engineering building. She would be in the outer hall and when we went in to the office if the door was ajar she came in, but if she wasn't ready to go home and we were. She just - -- It is like, "Revile, come on - Come one, Revile." She wasn't ready to go and we waited for her. BW: Did they have, it is organized now. The students had their little groups that takes care of them. DF: Oh, yeah, yeah. She wandered around all over campus. BW: So she wasn't really taking as organized as it is today. LS: What made them decide to keep her. I know she was hurting on the border of highway, but is there something that made them decide that she was going to be the mascot. BL: I think, there is the fact that she took to them really well, you know. LS: I thought I remembered some of the things, she howled every time they would play the school song or something and they kinda adopted her. AE: She put on a mask. LS: I don't think they had a mask They - - -- BL: BW: Were there any members that weren't married on campus? DF: There were probably six or eight. My husband was one of the bachelors and he lived in YMCA. Most of then lived in YMCA but they had what they called P.G. -- hall that was down BL: Near Walton Hall DF: Yes, near Walton Hall, but most of them, my husband's friends lived in the YMCA and ate at Aggieland Hotel. BW: YMCA was on campus? DF: MM. It is still there. BW: It is still there, but they don't call it - I mean the YMCA is not affiliated with it now. BL: No. BW: What used to be the health center BL: No the Health Center was next door. Counseling services was on the 3rd floor, payroll was on the bottom and then Dean of students was on the 1st. floor and personnel was on the 3rd. floor. Personnel is really - -- opposed to the Dean of students which is in Rudder Tower, isn't it? DF: I remember Mr. Watson used to be the Dean working then. BL: That is where I did my 30 years. BW: Tell us what you do? BL: I was eventually the Manager of the Payroll Services office for the last seventeen years. Then I was Assistant Director in Business Management at the MSC for a number of years. BW: When did you start working for A &M? BL: In 54. BW: Oh, OK. BL: That was the year of - -- was there. DF: That's right. As far as I can remember... DF: The insurance department was there at the time and I can remember seeing you and you took me and showed me the places and the swimming pool at the YMCA. BL: Still there... DF: He took me and showed me the swimming pool, of course it was covered but he showed me where it was, and I can remember a - -- smell in the chapel - church for a number of years. and we used to go to Casey's Confectionery and have a coke before we all, you know, went into church. BW: And this was at the YMCA. BL: MM. BW: Do you all know when this building came on campus? Or..? BL: 1917. BW: And what was it's purpose? BL: It was built as the YMCA. But back then the YMCA had buildings on - all over campus. There was a chapel in the second floor of the main lobby, and they are all chopped up into offices now, but basically the main floor big steps - big lobby to students or whoever to play cards, dominos and the back part they built a chapel two floors high. In fact, my sister has a T -shirt right now that consolidates a thank you to the 1937 orchestra that was taken in that chapel. Now that it has been -- floors were built half way up so there is two floors of offices now. That was the floor in MSC - - - -. But when the MSC was built in 1950, all those facilities - - - -. BW: Now you said some faculty members lived there - bachelor faculty members? DF: There were some couples. I think, it was a small apartment was there at one time. The Gays lived there , also the J.W. Bargers BL: There is an interesting thing. We have to be careful, the earlier pictures at the YMCA shows two floors built. There are three floors built now. 1920s pictures - when I saw these pictures - it was only two floors there. So apparently, in the early '20s they built a third floor. But it was nothing more than a residence room. But the first time I saw this two floor picture I thought, something is wrong with this picture... (laughter by all) BL: I realized the top floor was not there. AE: wasn't there a confectionery? BL: Well, yes. AE: Were there sparks? BL: The - -- was on each end of that and the main floor, those open terrace and underneath that the basement level there was the confectionery and on the south side there was a barber shop they built those up. They built offices on the top of it - - -- DF: That was where the social clubs were back then. The campus study club and, in other words, early, well from the time I came here in the early 30s, that's where we entertain our organizations. BW: You said there were campus organizations and study clubs? What did that involve? DF: Well, it was a very - -- AE: Right. DF: Anyway, BW: Do I dare ask what? DF: I remember Dr. S. S. Morgan who was, the head of the English Department. He was my neighbor. He reviewed Gone With The Wind the first fall that I was there. BL: Really. DF: Social Club came in. AE: At that time it was the Campus Study Club. I belong to it now. In those days women gave the programs, and now days other people can be in it. My aunt Mrs. Seike was the president in 1928. BL: Back then ladies had no part of A &M. There were a few that were secretaries. No wives were allowed to work at A &M. DF: Can you remember the man in the Chemistry department? I can't remember his name, but he dated the lady who was in the extension agency for years. During the depression they thought that they could not live on just one salary, but the wife could not have a job at A &M. BL: These ladies would keep themselves busy with other things such as social organizations. DF: She dressed up. BW: When you say dressed up, what do you mean? DF: Well, hats and gloves, and we would dress up for football games. BL: You wouldn't believe the difference. BW: At Kyle Field? DF: Oh yes, at Kyle Field. BL: The men and even the students wore coats and ties to the games. ??: DF: You had to be in the military. BW: Where does Sbisa Hall fit into all of this? BL: All of the college dances where held in Sbisa Hall. Last I heard it is still one of the largest dinning halls. BL: It was an enormouse place to have a dance. The university would have quite a social blast with known bands. BW: Would the faculty members show up to these events? 79. BW: Where did the girls come from? DF: TSCW BW: Which is...? BL: Denton DF: Texas Women's University BW: Is it still called that? DF: It's called Texas Women's University. I graducated barley in the middle, just before it was changed- in other words I graduated as TSCW. BW: So you went to school there? DF: Yes and my hasband was an Aggie. BW: Well tell us how you got down here? That's a long way to come. DF: We had to go from Denton to Dallas on the bus. BW: You say we, excuse me for interrupting, what do you mean? DF: 4 girls BW: So a group of you? DF: See that's how I met all the girls from College Station, the campus girls, Carolyn Silver and Jean Sandstedt,and Josephine Dunn, and all of those. And I was just thinking the other night that Allie Garner Scoats, whose father was a faculity member, that we're the only two who are still alive, we were all there in the thirties -late thirties. -And then we got on the train in Dallas after riding 35 miles. I think it was 35 miles from Denton to Dallas - And then we got off at? - And I was from East Texas and that's what we had to do, we had to go north to go east. BW: So how often would you come down here? DF: Oh maybe twice a year, once in the fall and once in the spring. BW: Is the dance, was it for the ring dance? DF: Well the ring dance was for the seniors. Oh yeah that was ? DF: My husband made, well I don't know if they still use the one,but my husband made one of the senior rings, the replica where they go under. I don't know if they still use the same one or not but anyway. BW: Well now Alice do you remember any of those dances? AE Alice: No. on I don't, but I do remember we came here in `58 and at that time I guess there very few motels or anything, no parking spots like they have now and they were vert, the mothers whose daughters were dates of Aggies, they were very protective of where they stayed, and I know, the time of football games and stuff, I used to keep the girls. AE: And I know the man across the street, Mr. Allan he had some friends from down in the valley, so he came to me and asked if I wouldn't keep the girls, for some friends of his in the valley because they were very strict where they stayed. BW: So they would stay? DF: so many of us did open our home, so especially if boys BL: We had lots of time for girls BL: He's from down in Columbus DF: She was a Miss Texas BL: My brother double dated wtih her and she stayed at my house. Well she was Miss Texas back then well known. She later went to Hollywood and married Ben ? BW: Were there any famous poeple that came to the campus while you were here? BL: Franklin Roosevelt came in 1937. BW: Well, tell us how he got here and what he did? BL: He came here by train, there were two trains and one that ran ahead of the one he was on, I guess to test the tracks or something, but they car- open limo was. DF She was the Anheisher or Busch. One of those anyway. She let them have her car, it was open. The first railroad station was _ where you came out of west campus- anyway, they came in on the first enterance. They came down by the grove and came down that way and went into Kyle Field up the main enterance and they had the cannons set up in the cedar trees. Thet fired the twenty one gun salute. Anyway, you could see where we were standing, that they lifted President Roosevelt and put him inthe car, all that was done over at the station. See Elliot Roosevelt, one of his sons was on the Board of Regents. ?? OK but you're doing great ? ?: We were talking about President Roosevelt coming on to the campus, we had gotten to Kyle Field. Is that where he talked then? ? ?: Somebody was going to talk about Eisenhower with this? DF: President Eisenhower came at the end of WWII Called Victory Day wasn't it? BL: But he wasn't President! DF: Oh no he wasn't President, he was just a general. BL: I guess he came to the reviewing office or something. DF: Oh and they conferred the Doctorate? BL: He came back later while he was president. DF: Yeah, but he was here for Victory Day. He was the main speaker. BW: Did they do this on Kyle Field mam? DF: Yes. DF: So Kyle Field was named Kyle Field then? BW: And was he here at the time? BL: Oh yes. Edwin Jackson Kyle AE: He had a famous house in Bryan. AE: On the edge, they made an tea room out of it. BW: That was his old home? BL: Not really they bought it after he retired and they were in the process if remodeling. Do you know where it is? BW: I'm not sure where it is? BL: I think its at the end of Bryan. Bryan Street and the antique shop came to a stop sign and have to turn on Finfeather Road- house with an iron fence around it. The Kyle's bought that after he returned and inthe process of remodeling, it burned down- the painters or somebody burned the top floor of it so now it's a one story. BW: Is this the house that sits back with quite a few cedar trees up front? BL: Yes. BW: Right at the stop sign, yes. AE: They still have that picket fence. BL: Well it's an iron fence. DF: The Yeagers, who had a big hardware store on Bryan Ave., owned that house when I came here. And I think, the Parker Lumber Co.,I think they built the house originally, but I'm not sure about that. But the Yeagers owned it when I moved here. BW: Then the Kyles? BL: I don't think the Kyles ever lived there, did they? DF: The Kyle's did live here. BW: So when did they name the football staduim after him? BL: Well, BW: Was he still alive? BL: Yea there's quite a story about that BW: Now what's the story? BL: It wasn't really named for EJ Kyle. It was the Houston Kyle who was, I've heard tell this story and I need to get it right because it was kind of a reflection on the Kyle family, and I don't intend it to be that way, but they had a wooden stadium of some kind out there, that Kyle was instrumental in building. When they first had a football field, there was no stadium at all. BW: There was no stadium at all? BL: Somebody finally built a football stadium out there. I think Kyle was instrumental in that. When they finally built Kyle Filed in `27 -I don't know who this Houston Kyle was, but he was here somewhere, and was instrumental in building- but I think EJ in 1956 somehow got the Board of regents, to officially name it for him. That was many years after it was built. EJ Jackson's name is on it now, well it got torn away, when they tore off the north end of the building, but it di have his plaque and his picture on it. EJ was pretty active in that sort of way. BW: He had quite a few different positions. BL: He was Dean of Agriculture for many years. BW: But wasn't he also... DF: He never got off. BL: It was sort of named after him, it is officially now. AE: There were streets in College Station named after animals. BL: This is my brother JL: We got dismissed BW: Well come join us, we're talking around everything. BW: Was Bernard Sbisa on campus also. Service food BW: Was he there also on this time period? BL: I never knew him, did you ever know Bernard Sbisa? BL: I never knew him. BL: Duncan came later. You know the Duncan Hall, his daughter still lives down the street from me. Mrs. Margaret Duncan M... DF: See the corps had to march in way back there, they all ate there. BW: So they ate in Sbisa? DF: And they marched in. BW: As a formal. It was very formal then? DF: Military walk was chained off. BL: Do you know where military walk is? BW: See I'm not that familiar with the campus unfortunatly. BL: I don't know how to describe it. JL: Well you know where the flag pole is? In the middle of campus? DF: Yes OK BL: There's a street that is not a street anymore. Its kind of a mall? Sbisa hall is on the north end it, the enterance of Guine Hall is on the south end, where you go into one of the enterances to Rudder Auditorium, not the tower. But the military walk was the street in between there. That's now a sidewalk and all. Well you asked where poeple parked, I always parked along there. At meal time, the corps units would form and actually march down military walk into Sbisa Hall, this was before 1939, when they moved to where the corps area is now. BW: When WWII cme, did you see a big change on campus, as far a military? BL: Yea, the actual enrollment of A &M dropped down below 1800. BW: Compared to, what was it you said before? BL: Before WWII, I remember a figure of 8000. Just before WWII. BL: But during the war, all the military units sent in people for special class work. BL: Drew some crowds, but they weren't Aggies, they were military people. BW: Did the faculity teach these military people? How would the engineering, like would your husband be ? DF: Night sessions BW: What were the things that he taught? DF: I don't kniw, I think they were students, they had an air force unit here. I don't remember whar it was, but I know they had night classes. BW: Where did these people live, where did they stay? BL: The dormatories BW: Where the students I guess had been. BL: The enrollment at A &M I think was down 1800's. BW: How long would they be here maybe? BL: Weeks. I somehow think they were here for a couple of months, and then they'd go and another group would come in. Just a constant turnover. BL: In and out there was a lot of activity of people running everywhere, stepping on everybody's toes. BW: We were talking about President Rossevelt was there any special message that he had to come here for , was just kind of an honorary political thing. Or why? DF: We always figured that he came, because his son, Elliott, was on the Board of Regents BL: Why was he on the Board? DF: Anyway Elliott lived in Fort Worth at the time. BW: You mentioned there was laundry service on campus. Was there ice for refrigerators? Well tell us about Mr. White ice delivery. BL: The power plant of course was on campus, where it is now part of the process, is generating power where they were able to make ice. They made huge blocks of ice and they would deliver it to homes, back of truck in every city have ice delivered. You put a sign in your window of how much you wanted, 5 pounds or 50 pounds. He'd bring it into the house and put it in your refrigerator, or you could go to the power plant and buy ice. BL: His daughter Sue was . Iremember him delivering off that truck. BW: Was it like his business, did it say like_? BL: No he was a university employee. He'd deliver off campus to the homes, but they delivered on campus too, which of course were university owned houses. The university provided for all of our utilities off campus, so... JL: telephone, the works? BW: What year are we talkinh about with this ice delivery? BL: Well it dependes on cold storage, as electric refrigeratora came in, I can remember the first one we had was in `34, `35. It was a big thing to get an electric refrigerator. DF: Oh yea BL: It delivered out after that. I don't knoe when it began, I guess before the twenties even. BW - Ms. Flemming- You said you had to claen up after the ice now? DF: Oh yes, they'd always make a mess. BW: Tell me the mess. DF: It was always so wet. I think like he said `34 or `35. BL: I can remember which was common everywhere, you didn't buy eggs and milk in stores back then. Is that right or is that my immagination? DF: In our neighborhood, a young boy sold me eggs 45 cents a dozen. That was year round. In the summer it might be 10 cents a dozen. At Christmas time they might be 75 cents. In other words, I would put a quarter and two dimes in the cabinet in the kitchen, and I'd say to my husbnd, don't bother that money it belongs to Lamar. It was a hard thing for me not to call him Buba. And the Redmond boy was another one that sold eggs on campus. BL: Well you didn't buy eggs in the store because there was no refrigeration. They had a refrigerator for meat. No refrigeration for eggs. BW: So you got those on a daily basis? BL: You got thoses on a daily basis somewhere else, it's kind of hard to realize that now. BL: But that was common until about WWII. Your milk was delivered to your house. DF: Do you remember those bottles, how they came down. They even gave you a little dipper, that you could take cream out of the bottle BW: What type of newspapers were there at the time? Was the Battalion here or the Eagle? BL: The Battalion was probably one day a week, but the Eagle was five day. It was an afternoon paper. Bryan Daily Eagle is an old newspaper. House to house five days a week. BW: And the Battalion? BL: It was just one day. BW: But it was campus only? Campus news. Did the students do that or was it faculty? BL: I guess primarily students. Now the Houston and Dallas paper will deliver. DF: We got the Dallas paper because my husband and I lived in that area. I never really liked the Houston paper because it never really gave enough Northeast Texas news. DF: 75 cents to get the Dallas news and we wondered if we could afford it. DF: Battalion was mostly run by journalism. BL: We didn't have a journalism department back then, it was student oriented. BW: What about mail? Did you get mail on campus? DF: In the Academic Bldg., Post office. BW: Would that be for everyone, the students also? BL: There was a post office at North Gate. BL: My recollection of it was that there wasn't enough boxes at the other place. They probably didn't get much mail. BW: What did it cost to send a letter? BL: 3 cents, postcards, Airmail came later. BW: What about garbage sanitation DF: It was all carriedby an individual DF: Hard Liquor Lane BW: Hard liquor lane. Now tell us about that. It sounds like it's a good name - doesn't it? Sounds like it's a good story. BL: HRDL -is there an "I" in there? LIKA. It's a czech name. DF: Uncle Ed. BW: A song of Uncle Ed? You've lost me here. BL: A song written back then going out to Uncle Ed's -drink my tears away. Now on Wellborn Rd. there's a building still there. I noticed just the other day it's a retail shop. Where Luther St. comes out to Wellborn right there. There's a little building -it used to be a much larger wooden building back then. It was Uncle Ed's -a beer place. There was a grocery store over there too. The Hrdlika's lived there. In fact they owned the land. The Southside development Co. bought the land from them. Mrs. Hrdlika- brother and sister lived on the land. They bought the 85 acres from to begin college park. But Uncle Ed's was a common place to go out and drink your beers. Luther St. crossed the RR tracks on the West- toward the airport. It's under construction now. 7L: What did they do with the cemetary? Move it again? BL: No, it's right there. DF: Now Bill, the one that crosses the tracks, wasn't that Hrdlika Ln.? BL: It might've been, but it's Luther St. now. There's a cemetary there now at the intersection of the street where Treehouse Apartments are now. The cemetary used to be on campus right south of Duncan Field and the bonfire used to be there too. They moved that cemetery out to that location now and a couple of Presidents -- President Foster was President at A &M - -and then Spike White and Darnell had a child buried there. Ruth Watkins was buried there also. There were several people buried there. The cemetery is still there. That street is now under construction and a very exclusive apartment area is now being built down that road now. Crossing is closed. BW: So there was the sanitation. Is that where they would take it? BL: Now, the University, there was a man from the university who would come around to the houses off campu on a mule drawn buggy whose name was Rome Finnley who was a slave. He was born a slave - -an old blackman that gathered up all the garbage from the houses and would put it in a container, but I don't know where he would take it. I remember riding on the back of the wagon. I think he would take it to White's Canyon. BW: When you say White's Canyon what do you mean? What is that? BL: It's nothing now. It's where the George Bush Library is now. It's an area. If you went to the airport at the end of George Bush Drive it's an area off to the right of that. The area is like a canyon which was a natural drainage area. It offerred a place to dump stuff and they would periodically burn it. I'm not sure why they would call it White's Canyon. That is what it was called when I was a child. The road is a very lonely, gravel, nasty road that is just a dead end place. Where obviously the dump trucks would go. Now it is becoming a very exclusive street now. When you get to the very end of it before you get to FM 2818, you can still see some of the reminants of some of this stuff still out there. Anyway, Rome Finnley was the sanitation department around here. DF: County Road is Holleman Road now. It was gravel as was most of the streets were back then. There was a house off Fairview Street off Holleman in a black community. The black couple got a divorce. The couple sawed the house in two. He lived in one part; she lived in the other. The lot now only has a large cedar tree on it. They also had a school and church consolidated. I could go out in my front yard and see the teacher ringing the hand bell. It was a church and school. BL: Deborah Jasse from the historical Preservation Committee said there's a whole dialogue that tells about the development of the black schools. There was literally no place for them to go for a long time. They were bused into Bryan. The church was basically a temporary school. They built that school at Lincoln Center which burned. It then got totally integrated. BW: Somebody has written here and wanted me to ask ya'll to explain what "Extra! Extra! Read all about it!" was? Did that come out of the campus? BL: This was a special edition of the paper, this is the city's too, it was a special edition of the paper when Hilter invaded Poland. I woke up early in the morning and there was somebody driving through the neighborhood shouting "Extra! Extra! Read all about it!" It was a special edition of the paper. BW: So would it have been delivered by a newsboy. Like a delivery of the paper, but he wanted you to be sure. BL: I guess. I think this was common practice in larger cities. That was the only one I remember here. Whether there were others, I'm not sure. That was the practice in larger cities- - to run a special edition on special occassions. BW: After WWII, you said during WWII we had a lot of soldiers come in to take classes. After the war ended, what was the campus like? BL: Well, of course, you had the normal students who had - -I entered A &M myself in the Fall of 1945, right after WWII and right in the middle of it all. It was a hodge podge, all of the people who were in the military were seeking an education. Of course, as they were in the military, they were given the GI Bill. Many of them who had never been to college before were able to go. And then you had a group whose college was interrupted by being drafted into the army, so they were all coming back. So those being released from the service in 1945, '46, and '47, they were coming back to continue their education. So here you had the regular students like me who graduated from high school and then you have ... End Tape 2 Side A BL: This was the first group that was married. They were older and there was a lot of wives and consequently on campus there was a lot of special housing built. Right, if you can imagine just east of Kyle Field, which would be essentially the President's back yard. The floral gardens, there was a lot of temporary housing, shacks really. They just threw them up. This is where a lot of married servicemen lived and, of course, there were little kids. Of course, it was a mess! The housing was really close together. BW: This really changed the campus didn't it? BL: Yeah! Hart Hall, they turned it into a married student place. In that particular hall you got two dormitory rooms separated by a bathroom, so that became an apartment then. I guess they had kitchens in there or not. There were a lot of married students there. That is about the time that College View Apartments, the area across the street from Polo Field, I'm not sure what's there now, between the old Albertson's building and the University Towers, I guess there are apartments in there now. Brought in there initially were barracks off of army posts. They moved a lot of those on campus and used them as classrooms. This began around 1947 as the army lost their need for them. These buildings, wooden buildings, became available to anyone who wanted them. They literally moved dozens of those. In fact, that is what the Presbyterian Church was. it was an old army chapel that came from Victoria. They built their church around it. BW: Are any of those left? BL: The church is there, but the building's gone now. No, all of those buildings are gone. Oh, what's in that area now? It's just north of that area now. BW: During WWII you were talking that there were about 1,800 students. What about the period after the war? Was there a jump in enrollment? BL: Not as much as you would think. It went up to 7,000 or 8,000. I know that in the 60's I was in the MSC. I went to work in 1963 at the MSC, and we were concerned about the number of students because we ran the Town Hall Programs. and we were very sensitive to the number of students who paid their fees. We dealt with less than 8,000 in the 60's. All of the other big schools in the country got these, just explosions. A &M didn't. A &M didn't get theirs for ten years or more. Mid 60's, of course, we integrated, changed the name, and, of course, to Texas A &M Universtiy, and went co- education. The beginning of the blossoming of A &M. Then the enrollment started creeping up. See, this was twenty years after the second war. BW: Having the student wives come in to campus, how did that affect your study club, your faculty club, and social. Were they a part of that or weren't they? BL: They worked. They were secretaries. BW: What did they do? How did they fit in on the campus? DF: There was a student wives organization and a faculty wives. Oh, I don't know exatly how they were choosen to serve as an advisor. You did it for two years, to help them. BW: Like in a certain department? DF: Yes, yes, like in the Engineering Department. But, they had their own organization. "Pushing Hubby Through ", a Ph.T. degree. We'd have a little ceremony to present the wives with an award. BW: Then there were those that worked as secretaries and that kind of thing. DF: That's when I told them I need to get home. I had a baby. That's when I taught Bill, his senior year. I told Mr. Bunting , the superintendant, that now students' wives and veterans' wives are coming back and they are qualified because they had graduated, you see, while their husbands were away. I said, "You can get somebody now." and sure enough he did. He got somebody for the English. And the morning school started, my phone rang about 7:30 am and the name who was picked to teach science up at Aggieland Inn decided he didn't want the job. So he'd go over there and call the superintendant and tell him. So the superintendant called me, but he didn't get anybody that year. Anyway, it was fine. BW: Was the, uh, you know, the place at the Memorial Student Center, where people can come and stay at the campus there? Was there a place like that? BL: The Aggieland Inn. It was a hotel. BW: Where was this? On the campus? DF: On the side of Sbisa. BL: On the side of Sbisa. The west of it where they sell pasta. BW: Tell us about Aggieland Inn now. It sounds interesting. BL: It was a bus stop. It was an eating and dining and hotel. It was a Spanish style white building with red tile roof. It was university owned and ran by the university. Now, it had a predeccessor I've seen pictures of the Bailey House. It was essentially in the same area. A big old wooden building near the Aggieland Inn. I've only seen pictures of it. I don't know when the Bailey House was built in the 20's. BW: So you're talking about the 20's or 30's. Alice, you said you learned to drink coffee there. Did you meet your friends there or what? DF: Yeah, you'd go there and you'd go there to have lunch and visit. BL: Have you ever gone to the Aggieland Inn. We never ate in there. I guess we were too poor. It was a very nice place with linens, drapes. Very formal. We couldn't afford it. BW: Would it be like Food Service, like the food service of A &M? BL: Yes. BW: So, Mr. Sbisa probably had a hand in this. DF: Mr. Hotard was the manager at Aggieland when I got here. He was the manager. BL: Now, I don't even know if the food was cooked in there. It could have been cooked across the street there. DF: I think it was cooked in there. BL: That is my impression. Now I don't even know. I never set foot in the place. DF: Well, that was where, if you were a guest on the campus, you went. BL: Yeah, but still, we knew some fancy folks who would have their Sunday lunch there. I guess we just couldn't afford it. I never ate there. I never even had coffee in the place. DF: They had the most wonderful coffee. We didn't have Maxwell House. We had Admirations, but it was still good. That's where I learned to drink coffee. BW: Black coffee? DF: No, it was sugared. BW: Did many parents come to see their sons on campus? BL: Only on Mother's Day. DF: They had the pinning of the Sweetpeas. You remember, on Old College Road. I can't remember the people's names, but they grew those flowers. The mothers of the sweethearts or somebody would pin the flowers on at the pinning of the flowers ceremony. BW: On the mothers? DF: No, on the uniforms. BL: The Mother's Day was a big, big thing. Of course, school is out now by Mother's Day. DF: Parent's Day use to be later. It was a big thing. Especially Engineering School. BL: But now, as far as them coming any other times, I don't think so. DF: They could come for war ball days. Just for the day though. BW: Would they come in their RV's and have tailgate parties? DF: One other thing. It's still about the campus. There's a house down the street. It's an old campus house. Right where the President's house is now. The old house down the street was there and there was a big barn and the Bilsing's had a big Jersey cow. And then, of course, in '39 they all moved off and the Bilsing's moved their house not that far. But, the big barn and the Jersey cow were gone. BW: Is that why they named it Jersey Street? DF: No, it was already named Jersey. BL: I guess that was responsibility to put cows on all the streets. Dexter is a cow. I didn't know that until recently. Dexter is a cow. In Oakwood, they are named after generals. BW: Is there anything else you would like to share? Maybe we have not hit upon. Everything is very interesting. AE: Maybe you two can verify. But faculty homes used to be on the campus. A lot of those moved on Montclaire. BL: Those have all been identified pretty much. There are some inaccuracies. AE: I think that the city of College Station some years ago made that calendar of the homes. BL: Yes, those are all hanging on the walls in the hallway here. BW: The sketches. Now when did they start moving the homes off campus? AE: I think '39. Bill, wasn't it '39 when everybody had to ger off campus? BL: Yes. BW: They made you get off the campus? What was their reasoning? Why did they want you to move? ?: Space. BW: To rent? To build? ?: There was a lot of inequity, I would assume, on who got the house, who didn't. BL: It became a problem with who got the houses and all of that. Expansion, that's why in '39 College Hills was essentially built to absorb a lot of the expansion for the evacuation of campus. They sold these houses. Yeah, that's what it is-- expansion. That is what college is is essentially ...(mumbling)...evacuation and they sold these houses and then asked you... and you could keep your own house. They stayed on campus...(mumbling). BW: 800 ? BL: A lot of the houses...They kept their house and they never moved out of it. They across the prarie. BW: So that's why I say have you ? BL: BW: Is that Bill, as in Bill Sing? BL: Yes, Bill Sing. S- I -N -G. Ya know, I know, but I don't remember. Do you know where .... is on campus? BW: Uh -huh. BL: It is a white house and the side of it faces the north parking garage and, uh, they moved it and now it is on the corner of George Bush and Pershing. Well, all you had to do was go across the drill field and the intermural field, and now I guess it is facing west. BL: They never moved out of it, they rode that thing across the drill field and I guess they had temporary hook -ups for... AE: Mr.Bilsing, it doesn't seeem to me that he lived too many years after he came here. ? ?: I thought he died quite... AE: Jim, wasn't he kind of a little bit of a hefty man? Not as tall as Bo? ? ?: Bo was huge compared to his dad. AE: Yeah, Yeah, that's the way I remembered, but it didn't seem like he lived too many years after I came here. ? ?: they kept their house and kept theirs. AE: Yeah ? ?: Maybe, Uh, ... ? ?: It was the Anderson's AE: Ok, they moved it down, you mean Andy Anderson? ? ?: Did he keep the house he had or... AE: No, No, they lived on the corner, I think they finally moved up where the Gabert's lived, on the corner across from G. Rollie now. ? ?: Yeah, the Andrsom's lived in several different houses. AE: Yeah, but they moved that house from the campus down Fairview because I remember Co. Andy where they lived. BW: Was that in the bid? AE: Well, do either one of you remember the house that was moved off the campus that Richard Ballinger got? ? ?: Oh yes (mumble) BW: It's near the South Knoll School, isin't it? AE: Yes, right across the street. ? ?: Mary Eckels, who is here today lived there, that was her parents house. They moved out of it of course, when it was moved. The Dooks lived upstairs. DF: We used to call on people after 4:00 (mumblr) ? ?: But that house, they had to three different locations, they dragged that thing to a lot. They didn't want that old house there. It's now a pretty good - looking house. BW: There's a family, in fact I taught the boy who lives there now with his family, Qud Allen, is living there now and raising a nice family. They've got several children and so it's being rejuvinated again. ? ?: Well, now are they aware of the fact that Mary Eckels lived in it? BW: They may not be. I don't know. ? ?: She lives on, uh, I don't know where she lives, but she may have photographs or something, she probably has a lot of photographs and things that they might be interested in. BW: That is interesting. When people do buy a house like that, and they're fixing it up, you are interested in history. Alice, will you tell us where this picture is staying now, is it your niece that has it? AE: My daughter BW: Your daughter has it. Ant it shows, Alice, tell us what the pictures are and where. AE: This was he had, my uncle, retired, retire in '42, and they had in '51, this is the dedication of a forest they named for him. That's the E.O. Siecke Forest. It's at Kirbyville, Texas on the east border, and this is the dedication, there's my uncle and aunt there, and governor Alan Shivers is there and I think these other men are from the forest service. This plaque is at the entrance of the park and this other one, I think just shows it's all pine trees there. BW: And your daughter has this in her home in College Station? AE: Yes. BW: And your daughter's name is... AE: Carol Edwards BW: Carol Edwards, thank you for sharing that with us, that's a neat collection there. AE: It's museum sealed, which I don't know, so uh, if you wanted any pictures of it, it would have to be with the glass on it. BW: Is there anything else you all are interested in discussing? DF: I want to say one thing, the Lancaster family was one of the loveliest families and people still refer to them as being wonderful models and lovely people. BL: You're very kind. BW: Well, I can say that I've taught with Brad at the high school, Laura and I just think the world of both of them, that has got to come from good stock somewhere. BL: You're very kind. Remarks: City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project Final copies: Typed by Oral History Stage Sheet Memory Lane: &let . 1141 5 rot f C p Interview No. Name R' 1 I IAA eaS +( Interview date Interviewer Interview length Interview Place Special sources of information Date tape received in office # of tapes marked Date Original Photographs Yes No # of photos Date Rec'd Describe Photos Interview Agreement and tape disposal form: Given to interviewee on Received Yes No Date Signed Restrictions- If yes, see remarks below. 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Yes No Transcription: First typing completed by Pages Date (name) First audit check by (name) Sent to interviewee on Received from interviewee on i / «' ` f Copy editing and second audit check by Final copies: Typed by (name) Pages Date Pages Date Pages Date Proofread by: 1) Pages Date 2) Pages Date Photos out for reproduction: Where to: Date: Original photos returned to: Date: Indexed by: Date Sent to bindery by Date Received from bindery Date Deposited in archives by: Date Remarks: City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project Memory Lane: A QQ I h4 S fa4' f Oral History Stage Sheet Interview No. Name /1 i IC2 C du )(1✓as Interview date Interviewer Interview length Interview Place Special sources of information Date tape received in office # of tapes marked Date Original Photographs Yes No # of photos Date Rec'd Describe Photos Interview Agreement and tape disposal form: Given to interviewee on Received Yes No Date Signed Restrictions- If yes, see remarks below. Yes No Transcription: First typing completed by Pages Date First audit check by Sent to interviewee on ( ° 3 Received from interviewee on Copy editing and second audit check by Final copies: Typed by (name) (name) (name) Pages Date Pages Date Pages Date Proofread by: 1) Pages Date 2) Pages Date Photos out for reproduction: Where to: Date: Original photos returned to: Date: Indexed by: Date Sent to bindery by Date Received from bindery Date Deposited in archives by: Date City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project This is R 4_ \� i+, - „A,'Today is J u ! 1 (?)`?< (month) (day) (year) I'm interviewing for the l time.° w n 3 , (Mr., Mrs., Ali ( E&,.._)‹1-1, roc 1\ L.('N r J m Miss, Ms., Dr., Etc.) This interview is taking place in Room ld s of The C of eP r P C e n - 4.> r at 1300 George Bush Dr. College Station , Texas . This interview is sponsored by the Historic Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisory Committee of the City of College Station, Texas. It is part of the Memory Lane Oral History Project. Have each person introduce themselves so their voice is identifiable on the tape recorder. The City of College Station, Texas Memory Lanes Oral History Project INTERVIEW AGREEMENT The purpose of The Historic Preservation Committee is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of the tape - recorded interview. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews become part of the archives of The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee to be used for whatever purposes may be determined. I have read the above and voluntarily offer my portion of the interviews with : (Name of Interviewee) 1- Del 'l ab, V - I evY,'IY.�' 7. 2. i) E A I in r rl S 8. 3. Ei l( Lo►- ,ranv+ , 9. 4 . -� \1f� (1 ct s- r (lit DO) 10. 5. 6. 11. 12. In view of the scholarly value of this research material, I hereby assign rights, title, and interest pertaining to it to The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee. Interviewer (signature) Date � = _ _ / / 99g `l' r ,C c h P l 4"1 Interviewer (Please Print) HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. n 4' Iitervie ee (Please print) , Signature of Interviewee 12)e —Pk h /6 I +e r r c ` t c-0 Interviewer (Please Print) Signature of Interviewer 7 -/3 -� Place of Interview Name r l U FA k Y 1� Cc, I1eat25 '111.Tx Address 14- c -' \ 1_D - 4 S5 1 Telephone Date of Birth - Place of Birth 1 ( 5 ,Tn • 14a4o INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed f� In progress Lis t of photos. d uments. mans. etc. I\1 e c. H 1^-1-. 1^-1-. - i c I ` � � � if) •i± c ices 6 O o I 1 ns i I-1 S +c.. (- q � h n-i-nn ;� )' C 4 re_ —h - a \ e ticn s t o 19 - Date Initial P_ Ne• (4) Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be deter the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information whe er or not said claims demand and pu c of , action in whole or in part are covered by insur e. , f . Intervie eq (Please � / ] print S}'�nature of Interviewee N)► rd Name y � I `70l) �e�� P /�1 e Or- 1 C ai Address Y7 l p Telephone Date of Birth 1 C - g 0 K Place of BirthP 1 r 1 e3 r e b r <Ig (« -f- h \n I c r< c In d -f- Interviewer (Please Print) Signature of Interviewer 7- /3 �9d" Place of Interview INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed I In progress In List of photos. doc ents. mans. etc. I v e t �c fl rf c I -e c - L . ,<1 . S , �F� e (f)o 1 L-1 4 nh hlnnfo Pic + -urc - nPwvp�crJ T�vc,s r -I- ,s Ju Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. _ !s- ?g ' Date Initial \I'Jo I4 <'rSc Interviewer (Please Print) I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. A/) i- 44- ' 4.A N_ a. 4 T0,1 Interv:� ' (Please pint) r / signa ure of nter viewee AI_ -. -ii Signature of Interviewer 7- Place of Interview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET Name Addres 0 -0 L �� Telephone Date of Birth 5 3 %- 07o Place of Birth 1 -c, (P6 E 57 INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial