HomeMy WebLinkAbout03/02/1994 - Regular Minutes - Historic Preservation Committee HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE
REGULAR MEETING
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 2, 1994 - 7:00 PM
CENTRAL PARK CONFERENCE ROOM
1000 KRENEK TAP ROAD
MEMBERS PRESENT: Gary Halter, Chairman; Deborah Jasek, Joan Lamkin,
Lois Beach, Bill Lancaster, Gary Basinger, Greg Keith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mary Jane Hirsch, Florace Kling, Vernon Schneider
STAFF PRESENT: David Gerling, Special Facilities Superintendent
I. CALL TO ORDER:
The meeting was called to order at 7:07 p.m., by Lois Beach.
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
There were no corrections to the minutes for the February 2, 1994, meeting. A
motion was made to approve the minutes and seconded. The minutes were
approved with no further discussion.
III. REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS:
No new applications to approve.
IV. DISCUSSION OF NORTHGATE PRESERVATION WITH CITY
PLANNING DEPARTMENT:
Gali Dolev with the City Planning Department was present to go over the list of
questions for the committee to use when interviewing people about Northgate.
On the fourth question, Gali stated her impression of Northgate was that it
achieved significance during the 1930's - 1940's, and possibly the 1950's.
Deborah Jasek said she has found information on Northgate further back than.
Her information shows seven businesses located there in 1929. Gali stated that
the old pictures she has from the early 1940's show the big buildings around it.
Somewhere in between 1929 and the 1940's is when the area really grew. She
doesn't have any documents from that in- between period, however. From the
aerial photos it shows that the residential areas there grew up in the late 1940's
and 1950's. Deborah said that everyone lived in on- campus housing until
1941, including the professors. There were some that lived in Bryan. The first
subdivision in College Station was developed in 1921, but that was not in the
Northgate area.
Greg Keith asked if Gali had used the Sanborn Insurance Maps as a resource.
Gali said she had seen them. Greg said they were maps created for insurance
purposes. Sanborn had the southern half of the U.S., the insurance companies
were located elsewhere and would not insure a company /building if they didn't
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know what was there, so they had a team of men who would go around and
draw the footprint of the buildings, using different symbols for year built, how
many stories the building was, etc. Greg said the maps date back a while and
would probably include some of the earliest buildings. He feels they would be
an excellent source of information. A library in Austin has a complete
collection, and he will find out which one. They would probably have them in
the A &M Library in the map section or at the Bryan Library. Gary Halter said
he was familiar with the maps, and that they had been used to try and locate
the original Carter home when the park site was being developed. The Carter
home was probably gone long before the maps were done.
David Gerling said another date would need to be set to meet with Planning to
discuss what information the Committee had been able to gather. It was
decided that the next Historic Committee Meeting on April 6, 1994, would be
the best time. Gali asked everyone to turn in information as they get it so that
she would have something to work with. Her phone number at City Hall is 764-
3570, and she said she's there mostly in the mornings if anyone wanted to drop
anything off.
Deborah Jasek said she had found a couple of things she wanted to share with
the Committee. She researched some of the old business ads to see how far
back she could go to find an ad that said something about College Station. In
December, 1889, W.C. Boyett had an ad specifying "groceries and school
supplies for sale in College Station ", in the Battalion, on page 28. In 1907 there
was an ad for "Charlie the Tailor ", located north of Gathright Hall on campus,
(he later moved the business to Bryan). Deborah said that at one time, there
were a number of businesses on campus - a grocery store, and a
card /confectionery shop, to name a few. In October, 1928, there were a couple
of laundries, and a stationery shop that sold pens and pencils, etc., advertising
in different halls, where they would set up little stores /booths. She found out
that Lipscomb Pharmacy was first mentioned in October, 1928. In October,
1929, she found ads for: Aggieland Studio which said it was located outside of
Northgate; Ben Youngblood, a college tailor located in the Boyett Building; the
campus grocery which was owned by the Boyetts; and, R.W. Ivey, the barber,
who was located in the Aggieland Barber Shop next to Aggieland Drugs. Bill
Lancaster said there was a possibility that Ivey's daughter still lives here.
Deborah said that George B. Shaw ran the College Coffee Shop which was by
A.M. Waltrip's store. Gary H. said that Waltrip was where Martha Camp's place
is now. Deborah said that the Campus Theater opened in 1940 because in the
1945 Battalion in a section called "Way Back When Memories ", it stated that
the Campus Theater had opened five years before. She also found an
announcement about the Aggie Student Co -op, run by Ed Garner, located one
block east of Northgate, which sold bicycles, etc. Bill Lancaster said that Ed
Garner lives next door to him at present. Gary Halter said that the same
building is a bicycle shop now as well. Next to the Co -op and adjacent to the
Catholic Church was the bus station. The station (for the Kerrville and
Greyhound Bus Lines) was moved off of campus on May 3, 1945. When on
campus it was at the Aggieland Inn. Greg stated that on either side of the
current Bicycle Shop there's half a storefront lot, and wondered what used to be
there. The National Bank was on one side and on the other was the bus
station. Bill Lancaster said that the wife of the man who used to run the bus
station is still living. Her name is Mrs. Joe Barron now, and she would
remember the bus station. Deborah said she would continue searching.
Deborah said something else she found which was interesting was that in the
1940's parking was banned by the City Council on College Main. She has all
the dates of the newspapers she looked at.
Gary said that the Committee should try to contact everyone and get their forms
back by the next committee meeting. He asked if anyone had agreed to
interview North Bardell. No one had, so Gary said he would talk to him. Lois
Beach said that when Colonel Walter Parsons wrote the Brazos County Book,
he gathered together a lot of information. He just recently died, but his
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daughter Ann O'Neal, has all his papers. She also asked if she should talk to
John Rainey at Texas Aggie Bookstore, to see if he might have any old pictures
or papers since he owns that building. Gary H. said it was a good idea. He
asked if everyone knew who they were supposed to talk to. Greg said he'd talk
to Don Ganter about the Campus Theater, and try to research who owned it
when it was opened. Bill Lancaster said he'd talk to Jack Zubig, Lauterstein
and Hornak. He said that a history of the First Baptist Church had been
written and he would get a copy of that. L.A. Maddox is the historian or
archivist for the church and Bill said he would check with him to see what he
had. Deborah J. said she'd research St. Mary's. Joan said she'd check with the
Church of Christ to see what she could find out, even though the church is
going to be torn down because of severe structural problems. Joan said
according to the state archives, the church does not have that much
significance as a historical building even though it was built in the mid 1930's.
She said Mark Sicilio was trying to get the building saved. Lois Beach said
she'd contact someone about the Presbyterian Church. Bill and Joan suggested
she talk to Will Worley. Gary H. said he'd do Loupot. University National Bank
doesn't exist anymore and most of the people are gone now. Someone
suggested that Taylor Reidall (sp ?) or John Willingham may know something.
Lois said she'd contact Mrs. R.H. Mitchell. Deborah said she would talk to
Martha Camp. The Lipscombs on the list are not the Lipscombs that the
Committee needs to talk to. Bill Lancaster said that Lou Cashion may be able
to give someone some information - her uncle was married to a Lipscomb
daughter. Gary Basinger said he'd talk to George Boyett and Red Cashion. Bill
Lancaster said he'd talk to Allister Waltrip. He also stated that at one time,
George Shaw had some hamburger stands on campus behind Heaton Hall.
V. PRESENTATION BY DR. GODBY ON COLLEGE STATION DEPOT
PROJECT:
David Godby told the Committee that he was not a Doctor, but he was honored
to accept the honorary degree! He's with A &M and said that he was there to
discuss the possibility of becoming partners with the Committee to work on the
project of reconstructing the depot which gave College Station its name. He
stated that he was there as a private citizen and that if any information got out
to the news media, it could kill the project. He is a registered architect and his
title is Assistant Director of the Physical Plant. He heads up a group called
Engineering and Design Services, an in -house architectural and engineering
firm. They design all types of projects for A &M and he personally supervises all
that work. Once a building is built the University owns it and is responsible for
the maintenance and upkeep. At A &M there are 700 buildings, totalling 15
million square feet of space. He feels that part of his job is to learn about the
history of the city and A &M.
He passed around some pictures of the depot that the archives had blown up
for him. From those prints you can see more detail in the building. He's met
with Gary Halter before and one of the things that struck him was that as
traditional minded as A &M is - they didn't have the 1883 Victorian building
that gave the town its name. One of the reasons the site for A &M was chosen
here was that the 2,400 acres donated for the college was on a railroad. That's
why the idea is to build a depot as close to the original as possible (colors and
everything) as a full scale museum piece, with the City of College Station and
the University going half and half on the cost. His first calculations are that it
will cost about $100,000. He has talked to Barry Moore, an architect in
Houston who has done historical preservation before (he's the one who
renovated the opera hall in Columbus). Barry agreed with David's figures. The
building will only be about 1,000 square feet, but the cost will be about $100
per square foot because of all the hand work that will need to be done in a
building of this type.
David stated that he is also the advisor for class gifts, and he will be meeting
with the 1994 class gifts chairperson. The amount spent on the 1991 class gift
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was $75,000 for an eagle statue, and the class of 1993 had about $50,000 to
spend on new letters for Kyle Field. Various gifts will be discussed at the
meeting, but the depot is the gift that David would like to see them do, because
this is beyond another trinket for the campus, its represents all the history of
A &M and how difficult it was to start the college. There is a place to put the
depot, which is not far from where the original stood. The land has just a few
trees on it, which would be reminiscent of how it was then - 2,000 of the
original 2,400 acres had no trees on it, and only a few buildings. All the trees
on campus now were planted, except those that run along the creek.
The depot would not be a big building - 700 square feet inside, 1,000 - 1,200
square feet total with the overhang. David said he would like to see it used as a
museum dedicated to the early days of A &M, which originally started out as a
classical school teaching Greek and Latin. When the Governor found out,
President Gathright and his faculty were gone. They finally got the mechanical
part going, but it was difficult getting the agriculture portion going because the
boys wanted to go to college to get off the farm, not to go back to it. It's not
widely known, but it wasn't until after the first World War that the college took
off as an A &M college. It took a long time and a lot of struggle.
David will let the committee know how the meeting goes with the class gift
chairpersons. He will recommend that the depot would be the most significant
of the gifts to be considered. The class then has a vote and the chairpersons
will have the money raised - generally they can raise whatever they want -
usually somewhere between $50,000 - $100,000. But it makes sense to be a
joint project with the City. The Board of Regents would have to approve the
location of the depot if the class votes to do this project. Gary asked David
about the long term prospects of LOTRAK. David said the chances were slim.
He said he thought it was a definite possibility for George Bush to have the
street go under the tracks like it is on University - its cheaper and easier for the
cars to handle the slope, but it is extremely expensive. Gary said the reason he
brought it up was that it might create a siting problem, but that the depot
would probably be a building which would be easy to move, if necessary.
David Godby said that some people had suggested that the depot be the
AmTrak stop, but he said there would be problems with ADA and OSHA which
would be in conflict with having this as a museum piece. There will not be a lot
of room inside - just enough to tell the story of the early days - the founding of
A &M up until perhaps the first World War. He said a lot has been heard about
Earl Rudder and others, but there were a lot of people who went before Rudder
who worked hard to get the college going, and unfortunately they have been
almost forgotten.
Gary said that the depot which would be built is not the depot most of the older
Aggies remember. He also stated that the Committee would have to get Council
approval to pay half of the cost. Greg said he could make some changes to the
book before it goes to the City Council. Gary said it would be better to wait and
see what the Class of 1994 says, before approaching the Council. Gary said
that there is a bench that someone has said he would donate if a reconstruction
was done, which was actually at one of the depots. David Godby said that once
the depot project was approved and underway, his area would manage it but
that they would probably bring in a specialist architect who would finish the
research. He feels that information could be gotten from the archives of the
railroad lines. Gary said that this had been tried before, with both the railroads
being very cooperative, however, they said there were no plans for the depots -
they were generic stations that were moved here and set up. Greg said that it
would be good if perhaps old ticket stubs could be found to place in the
museum. Gary H. said there was a ticket in the archives from the last train out
of College Station back in 1957 or 1958. David Godby said the people in the
archives are very eager to help with the project. He also said that there was a
lot of stuff from Cushing that could be donated. So much in fact, that they
probably don't even know what they have - possibly things that came from the
station. Gary said some exterior things could be added which could be donated
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or gotten inexpensively. David Godby said that some track could even be added
and an engine gotten. There is a railroad museum in Galveston which would be
a good contact on how to go about getting an engine. This was something that
could be added later.
Joan Lamkin asked if the historical plaque for the railroad depots would go at
the site. Gary Halter said that the state will allow you to move a marker but
you had to get permission. He felt that the state would not object to moving it
to the depot site.
Greg asked David Godby about the old cornerstones stored in a greenhouse in
Hensel Park. Gary said that Rick Floyd gave him a list of those cornerstones,
which buildings they were from, and where they were stored. Rick talked to
Gary and suggested he call Bob Walker with the Development Foundation. Gary
talked to Bob Walker and asked him to consider incorporating those old
cornerstones into the design of the new building the A &M Development
Foundation will be doing. Gary stated that Bob seemed to like the idea. David
Godby said that it was his understanding that those cornerstones were
supposed to go to the archives and that the archives people should already
know about them. Greg asked David Godby if he was aware that the brass
plates on the cornerstones, which named the building it came from, had been
stolen. David said he was not aware of this. Gary Halter said he knew that two
of those cornerstones had been incorporated into other buildings. Hart Hall, for
example, has the old cornerstone for the original building that was on that site.
Gary said that according to the list Dr. Floyd gave him there aren't very many of
those cornerstones left. Greg asked if the Gathright Hall or Old Main
cornerstones had survived. Gary H. stated that he did not believe so, but that
at one time there was a small park area by the registrar with a small plaque
that said "original site of Gathright Hall" (torn down in the 1930's). The "park"
had been removed, however, when the sidewalks in that area were redone, and
it was never put back.
David Godby said he would be in touch after he talked to the class gift
chairpersons.
VI. DISCUSSION OF ROUND TOP INFORMATION:
Gary H. said the proposal is finished. The downside is that the cost will be
about $6 million and that includes an endowment. He passed around pictures
of the buildings that Steve Beachy took when he visited Round Top. There is
also a book that describes each of the houses, including a complete
architectural drawing of most of the houses. The idea is to move these
buildings to College Station and put them on campus near the George Bush
Library. Gary doesn't feel that the project will happen, unless a foundation in
Texas comes forward and donates money. The question is how does this fit into
the local history? Round Top does not know about this move as yet.
* *Due to mechanical failure, the minutes from this point forward were not
recorded.
VI. OTHER COMMITTEE CONCERNS:
VIII. ADJOURN:
The meeting was adjourned at 8:05 p.m.
HISTORICAL COMMITTEE QUESTIONS
FOR NORTHGATE PRESERVATION
Resource Name:
Address:
Owner:
What was the role that the owner / church / person played in the history of Northgate?
How is the building related to the development of the community in Northgate?
What were some historically significant events and / or patterns of activity associated with
the property?
General description of Northgate during the periods when it achieved significance.
Who were the main active personalities involved with commercial, churches, residential
areas?
Are there any documents on the buildings and Northgate? Historic photos, old drawings of
the outside of the building and the inside , maps etc.
Who were the persons responsible for the design or construction of the property?
What is your opinion on preservation of the area and the buildings, and on the demolishing
and rebuilding of the area?
Are there any specific buildings that you feel need to be preserved?