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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNorthgate Panel 7Mediator: Peggy Calliham TRANSCRIPT OF MEETING MEMORY LANES - NORTHGATE July 27, 1994 Attendees: Jack Zubik Mary Lou Opersteny Kelly Charles J. Opersteny Note: First part of tape inaudible. Mr. Zubik: Our first business was in the vicinity of... about where Duddley's Draw is now. Ms. Calliham: Right. Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 That same building was moved to what's now College Main, down in... that... where it makes that dip going to Junction 505, or something like that. Alright, then, later we moved into the back end of what was the Aggieland. Sparks and Casey building. They had a little place back there. Then again later, we moved, I think that was about 1936, across the street, which Mr. Mitchell, who was a professor, built those buildings. And that's next to Northgate Barber Shop. That's where we were, 'til 1979. Ms. Calliham: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Next to Northgate Barber Shop. Is that across from the - Across from Holik's and up in there. Well, you told me how you came to locate Northgate, you said Mr. Boyett owned the first business place. Most of that property along University Drive all the way to Campus Theater, in fact, where Campus Theater was; that was the old, big Boyett house. Ya'II remember that? And that was all mostly the Boyett's property. On this other side again, was the Tauber family. Remember them? Boyetts on one side, Tauber on the other side. They owned a lot of that land there. Ms. Calliham: Yes, (pause) what are some of your favorite memories of working in and around Northgate? Mr. Zubik: Well - Ms. Calliham: -Or funny stories or whatever. Mr. Zubik: Well, Northgate, really at that time... the military officers, at that time kind of acquainted it as being part of the campus. And they would come down and ask us if we had any trouble with the boys, anything like that. Colonel Moore, especially, George F. Moore, and, let's see, he was one of the mainstays, I believe, Corrigador -2- Island or so during World War II. President Roosevelt visited the campus and they put on a review for him, and they brought us an official flag and gosh, I think forty feet by something. It had some tears in it. They brought it in and... if we would repair it. Before, of course, the flag was shipped in here from somewhere, but whatever the size of the official flag is, see, the flags that you see are not official. I think it flies at Fort Knox. At one time I think it used to. So if ya'll find out what the size of the official flag was- Ms. Calliham: You had one. Mr. Zubik: Well, we had to repair it for them. Ms. Calliham: Oh, okay. Well, did you make uniforms for the students? Mr. Zubik: Sure did. The military students. At that time, it was, of course, all military. During the early years. Ms. Calliham: And you made them from scratch? I mean, you didn't have uniforms that came in mass and you just took up hems. Mr. Zubik: That came later, they started issuing uniforms. No, we made them. Ms. Calliham: I see. Did you do any other kind of tailoring? ww1 cl reports l peggy 09/04/94 3 Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: How many members of you family worked in this business? Mr. Zubik: Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, we had customers that came to us from Bryan. All creations, and repairs, and stuff like that. Yeah, we had other customers, but primarily it was for the corps; for the students. Those who had better sense! I was the youngest and I got out of high school in the Depression. And college students were walking streets, so I started working with my daddy. Ms. Calliham: So you had a ready made job ready for you? That's right. I worked around awhile in grocery stores in Bryan, but I knew that wasn't going to be a future. So I started working with him, then when he retired, of course, I carried on 'til 1979. Ms. Calliham: Did your family live in the College Station area? Mr. Zubik: No, we always lived in Bryan. Ms. Calliham: In Bryan. What were the hours that you worked? Mr. Zubik: Well, in September, when school started from say, 5 or 6 in the morning 'til 11 or 12 at night, because the student commanders demanded their students to be in uniform in three days. I don't know, did you go to A & M? Alright, were you in the Corp? 4 Ms. Kelly: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: But how many uniforms would you do in three days? Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 You had to be in those days. In three days. So we worked. How many? Well, of course my dad, and my mother and I; brothers, sisters and then we had some other help. Well, we did, that mostly for the freshman. See, the sophomores, and juniors, and seniors already had theirs, but that was mostly for freshman. They had to be in uniform in three days. So we worked. Ms. Calliham: So mostly it was military uniforms, though. Most of your business. Mr. Zubik: Yeah. Ms. Calliham: How did... how were they paid for? I mean, back in those days. Mr. Zubik: Momma and Daddy. Ms. Calliham: Momma and Daddy. Mr. Zubik: That's right. 5 Ms. Calliham: Cash. Mr. Zubik: Yeah, but, gosh, uniforms those days... thirty; forty dollars. Ms. Calliham: Wow, I wonder how much they cost today? I wonder how much Mr. Zubik: those uniforms cost today? Well, I remember Holik's used to sell those boots for $29.95 and now somebody told me they were six hundred dollars and some- thing dollars. Did you buy some? (Unidentified): Oh, no sir, but that hurt. Ms. Calliham: Where did you get the fabric from? Where did that come from? Mr. Zubik: We had to order it from the mills. One mill was known as Hamburger (inaudible) Mills. I guess there was a guy by the name of Hamburger. And then, I don't remember, each (inaudible) and I'd swap. There were mills coming out of New York. We had to order it by the bolts; by the yards. We'd have like eighty or ninety yards on it. Ms. Calliham: Describe what would have been a good work day. Mr. Zubik: Well, I just got through telling you: from about 5 or 6 o' clock in the morning 'til about 10; 11 o' clock at night. wwl c l reports 1peggy 09/04/94 6 Ms. Calliham: Some people would call that a bad work day but that was lots of.. . was good money. Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Did you ever have any bad work days? Mr. Zubik: Well, no I just had to go there and work. Ms. Calliham: There was just work. Mr. Zubik: That's right. Ms. Calliham: Well, where did you eat lunch? Mr. Zubik: Oh, brown bag it. Ms. Calliham: Where? Brown bag it. I see. Mr. Zubik: They had a little sandwich shop there. Mrs. Parkhill, do you remember Mrs. Parkhill? She had a little sandwich shop. And Pop Shaw, do you remember Pop Shaw on the campus? Ms. Kelly: A hamburger place on campus. - 7 - wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, that was, of course, just a school opening for maybe a couple of weeks or so. The rest of the time we'd get there like, of course, those days, y'know, there was no 9 to 12, and 1 to 4. We'd get there like 7; 8 in the morning and stay 'til 6; 7 at night or so. Mr. Zubik: That little hamburger place. Ms. Calliham: Where was that? Mr. Zubik: Well, Pop Shaw was on the campus with a little bitty old building right where Sbisa mess hall was, and the exchange store used to be there. Ms. Kelly: I think across the street. Let's see, what was that darn name, right next to the exchange store, in that promenade, there. Mr. Zubik: That's right. Yes. Ms. Calliham: I see. You say your business moved to the campus in when? Mr. Zubik: Well, we weren't on the campus. Ms. Calliham: Well, I mean to the Northgate. In what year? Mr. Zubik: 1929. Ms. Calliham: That was right about Depression. Mr. Zubik: Well, it was... yeah, '30; '31; '33. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 8 Ms. Calliham: Did the Depression have any affect on people's ability to pay you or your ability to do your business? Mr. Zubik: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, no, because those students that came- they had to come by train. There was no bus service then, they came by train and their parents were prepared. But it didn't take a lot of money. And, see, the students that would come in, in September by train, they didn't leave 'til Christmas holidays. And they pulled those train coaches. Ya'll remember when there was 10; 12 train coaches along that railroad track? That's the only way they got in and out. And they would go on Corp trips to Rice, or to Houston, TCU, and SMU. And they pulled those train coaches in there and parked them. And that's the only way those students got in and out Ms. Calliham: How did World War II affect what was going on with your business and the Northgate area? We did big business and I guess. No secret to tell, we made a lot of money, because a lot of those former students would come through, and they maybe had three days to report and stuff like that; a week to report, and they'd come back in and buy stuff that we had. I remember sometimes I would get up 1 or 2 o' clock in the morning, where'd somebody'd call me and they wanted certain items that we had. And I'd go down there and we'd make some money. So those students that had you do work when they were in school, and now were reporting for military duty, came back to you ? -9- Mr. Zubik: Okay, and also the federal government moved in some students they called ASTRP. Remember that? Ms. Kelly: Marines and Navy. They had - Mr. Zubik: And Air Force. Ms. Kelly: And Air Force. ASTP, my husband was in the ASTP. Mr. Zubik: Army Specialized Training Program. Ms. Kelly: But they also had the first training program at A & M. Was a Navy and Marine Corp typing and communication. It was in the old American Legion co -op building down on the south end at the south ** ** ** ** wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 10 - g the time because the students marched, and then they shipped out for the battle before Normandy. Mr. Zubik: They must have shipped out in 1944. Then the student body, all over A & M, I think, fell to 1200 students. Ms. Kelly: There were very few. Mr. Zubik: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 And I went to service. And so I went in service in 1944 and I left just about the time of when they pulled everybody out. So that had to be about 1944. It was just before the invasion in Normandy, because they pulled different units, sent them up on the East coast. Then they pulled them out. A lot of them were A & M students that had been at A & M and got their call for military. They put them in this program called ASTP, and then sent them back here and they had more training. And of course, naturally, they were paid monthly pay - whatever it was for the service people. So if they wanted little better clothes then what they were issuing, we furnished it. So we made good money. Ms. Calliham: Now your family's business remained there until when? Mr. Zubik: 1979. Ms. Calliham: 1979. And is there a business there like that now? Mr. Zubik: No, Bernie Gester, who owns the cleaning shop, Aggie Cleaners, wanted it so bad because he knew that we kind of had a monopoly. They kept saying the Zubik family got a monopoly. We had a monopoly on work. So we sold it to him and he operated it about a year or so, and he sold it to somebody else, and then its closed out. However, the school started issuing more and more clothes. And the last items mostly that we made were the senior boot pads. And about a couple of years ago I had a kid, Spanish kid, that saw me at an organization that I belong to and he said he was a senior at A & M. He said, "Do you remember any family that owned a tailor shop in Northgate by the name of Zubiks." And I said, "Yeah, your talking to him." And he said, well, he said I was still able to buy a pair of those pants. He said, everybody said, if you get a pair, get Zubik's, get Zubik's. We made a nice, better pair of pants than what they're issuing now. The one they're issuing now is kind of like a job pair. And we made a modified World War 1 uniform like World War I officers used to wear, with the peg. So, that's it. Ms. Calliham: Well, is there anything else that you remember? I heard you all talking about a train? I was kind of curious. ww1clreportslpe88Y 09/04/94 - 12 - Mr. Zubik: A trolley. Ms. Calliham: A trolley? Something- Mr. Zubik: Oh, he's talking about a train that jumped the tracks. Mr. Opersteny: Mr. Zubik mentioned that there was a little spur that brought coal to the power plant. Which was kind of... I don't know if it's still there now? Mr. Zubik: No. Ms. Calliham: No, it's not. Mr. Opersteny: But it was kind of in the center of the north part, or kind of behind the old post office. Ms. Kelly: Was the power plant. Mr. Opersteny: He says the train jumped the track several times. I'm just - I don't know. I was probably 8; 9; 10 years old at the time and I remember this time it had jumped the track. And I was, as a child, very curious, of course, and someone took a picture of me standing by the train. I asked my sister to look for the picture, but we don't know where it is. We'll find it. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 13 - Ms. Calliham: And that was just something else I was going to ask you, just if you had any pictures that we could use? We'd reproduce them. Mr. Zubik: The only ones that I would know of would be Joe Sosolik. And his daughter still lives in Bryan. Helen Martin, do you know her? Ms. Calliham: They don't have a Martin, but we could find her. But they might have some - Mr. Zubik: She married a Marcie) Martin. Ms. Kelly: She lives in Bryan. Mr. Zubik: She's divorced. Ms. Kelly: Her name is Helen Martin. Mr. Zubik: He was the official photographer. Caught the pictures for what was the Longhorns. And he had a photo shop at the campus which was upstairs above that exchange store. But then he also had a place on the corner, ya'll remember when all that- Ms. Kelly: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 On Main Street. Ya'll remember when all those buildings burned? Campus... not Campus Photo. Aggieland Photo? - 14 - Ms. KeIIy: Aggieland. Aggieland Studio. Ms. Calliham: Was that Sosolik? Mr. Zubik: Joe Sosolik. Ms. Calliham: Joe Sosolik. Mr. Zubik: They... he first, after they moved from the campus, but he still had a place on the campus. On the corner there where now Loupot is. That was wooden buildings. Do you remember when all that burned? Ms. KeIIy: I know when Loupot burned, but- Mr. Zubik: Mr. Opersteny: In that wooden building, there were actually three stores. There was a variety, I called it (inaudible), it was a little restaurant Ms. Kelly: Lilly Creamery. Mr. Zubik: And Albert Opensteny had his variety - 15 - wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Loupot wasn't there. Joe Sosolik had a studio there and Mrs. Parkhill had a cafe there. And something else was there. Then Luke and Charlie, well, ya'll had that other wooden building there. But all that corner- Mr. Opersteny: Then my dad had a grocery store. Mr. Zubik: But see, there were some separate wooden buildings there. Ms. Kelly: Little ones. Mr. Zubik: And all of that burnt. And see, then later years, E. J. Kyle bought that corner and built what is now Loupots. Dean Kyle bought that building. Ms. Calliham: That was a, when I remember, that was a Lipscomb's drug store.. . and I was, what was originally there? Mr. Zubik: wwl cl reports) peggy 09/04/94 I've only... when she talked about, Miss Kinbro was talking about the drug store at the college, I don't remember. E. R. Candy had that, where Loupots was. E.R., when Dean Kyle built that building, E.R. Candy, Candy's Pharmacy, downtown, and he put Red Jarret there, if you know Red Jarrett. As a manager. Alright, that was a one story building and Doc Lipscomb, S.A. Lipscomb, was the pharmacist at, across the street at Aggieland Pharmacy, which was owned by Jeff Casey and Bill Sparks. And Lipscomb's father -in -law, by the name of Webb, and that might be the connection with her, hit some oil wells, or something in Corpus. So he bought that building from Kyle, and of course Candy had to leave. And then Doc Lipscomb ran that drug store. - 16 - Ms. Kelly: See, that's all I remember, is Doc Lipscomb Mr. Zubik: And inside of it was another cafe, I believe it was Melcher or some- body. But see, then Doc Lipscomb, and then put the second story on there and they moved that cafe upstairs, ya'll remember when that cafe was upstairs? Ms. Kelly: That was a pool hall and a cafe. Mr. Zubik: And a cafe. Then Lipscomb's pharmacy took the whole thing over. And then Loupot came in later years. But that's all later years, later. Ms. Calliham: Well, I tell you what, lets let one of the Opensteny's come on- Mr. Zubik: Well, sure! Let me sign. Ms. Calliham: Well, yeah, get you to sign there. Ms. Kelly: ...they also had a lunch room. But like soda fountains. Mr. Opersteny: Yeah, they sure did. Ms. Calliham: Yeah, I remember the soda fountain, and if we can just get your name and address. I remember that soda fountain, because I used to like to go there- wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 (inaudible) - 17 - Mr. Zubik: They used to serve even cars that parked there, y'know, and order stuff and they'd carry it out. Ms. Kelly: Still there. Mr. Opersteny: You go ahead, you hold the scene first. (inaudible) Ms. Opensteny: Charles Gorzycki. Mr. Zubik: Yeah, Charles Gorzycki had the studio there, you're correct, on the corner. The one that burnt. Ms. Kelly: That was White Rose Studio. Mr. Zubik: I didn't know, but the White Rose also was in Bryan. Ms. Kelly: Yeah, he was in Bryan originally. Ms. Calliham: Are you three brother... what, how are you, what is the - Mrs. Opensteny: I'm married to him. Ms. Calliham: And you were who? What was your married name? maiden name? - 18 - wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Mrs. Opensteny: Stetz: S- T- E -T -Z. Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: What type of business did your family have and when did it open at Northgate? Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: And it was called - Ms. Kelly: Charlie's. wwl cl reports l peggy 09/04/94 Yeah, you're right, Charlie Gorzycki first had that studio lab. But Joe was on the campus, Joe Sosolik was on the campus above that exchange store. And then, you're correct, he bought that. We had the grocery business but I'm not sure of the year. Originally, dad and his partner, Luke Patronella, opened in the old wooden building that was owned by Mr. Orren Boyett. And then they moved, must have been '29, because it was prior to when Charles was born. They moved on Main Street, probably close to the Zubik place. And they were in business and in the early thirties they separated their business. Luke ran the one in the building and my mother and daddy went back to the wooden building and opened up a small grocery store. And it gradually grew- Ms. Calliham: Charlie's Grocery Store. Mr. Opersteny: Charlie's Food Mart. - 19 - Ms. Kelly: Charlie's Food Market. Mr. Zubik: But the original... ya'II had to be there before 1929, because when we moved there in 1929, ya'll, that Luke and Charlie were already there in business. Ms. Kelly: Okay, that was, then that's into the - Mr. Zubik: The first - Ms. Kelly: You mean in the wooden building? Mr. Zubik: Yes. Ms. Kelly: Yes, they opened up, probably '25 or '26 in the wooden building. And then they moved to the building on Main Street. And then they dissolved their partnership. And Dad and Mom came back to the wooden building on University, which at that time was called Sulfur Road. Mr. Zubik: I believe you're right. Ms. Calliham: That's good to know. Ms. Kelly: I wrote that down on a note. Ms. Calliham: Sulfur Road. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 20 - Ms. Kelly: And they were in business. They didn't have a market at the time. And that was during the Depression. And to keep milk cold they brought the refrigerator from the home, but it was in the year they was able to take it back to the house. And it grew and they were in that wooden building until 1948 and then picked up the wooden building and moved it to the back. Ms. Calliham: Moved it to the back, where? Ms. Kelly: Back on the other street. Ms. Calliham: To face the other side? Ms. Kelly: No, it just faced the open length because they built a new one. Mr. Opersteny: Sort of moved it back behind the university. To the back of the property, kind of set it at an angle. And, of course hooked it back up to electricity and so forth, while they built the present building that is there. Ms. Calliham: And who occupies the present building? Mr. Opersteny: John Raney. Ms. Calliham: Is it a book store? wwlclrepartslpeggy 09/04/94 -21 - Ms. KeIIy: It's a book store. Ms. Calliham: It's a book store now. Ms. KeIIy: Well, but he moved back into the present building. He moved into the building in early '49. And then there was a restaurant owned by Katy Arhopolous, a barber shop, and a jewelry store owned by Mr. McCarty. And the variety store that was owned by my uncle, but at the time, I think, then he sold it to Tom and Vesta Taylor. And mother owned the store until 1964. Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: Ms. KeIIy: Ms. Calliham: Mr. Zubik: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Did your family live in the College Station area? No, we lived 1109 W 26th Street and Mother is still living there. In Bryan. In Bryan. So a lot of people that had businesses probably did live in Bryan . Well, there was no housing at A & M. The only housing, is, ya'll remember, across from the street there, where those pecan trees were, was for professors. And they let them have it for whatever it was - 10 or 15 dollars a month. - 22 - Mr. Opersteny: Mr. Zubik: Yeah. Mr. Opersteny: Okay. In fact, my dad worked for Eden Grocery Store in Bryan. And he used to delivery groceries out to College Station on the inner urban, as they called it. I don't remember the inner urban, I don't know if you- Ms. Kelly: I don't remember the inner urban. Mr. Zubik: I rode it when I'd have a nickel. From Bryan to College Station. I wouldn't get off, and go back to Bryan. It was a nice little ride. Ms. Calliham: Did your family actually own that building? Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: And this was on Sulfur Street. Do you have any idea how that name Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 No, it was owned by Mr. Orren Boyett, who is the son of the man that had the big filling station and the big Boyett house. And he was one of four or five sons. came about? Because the water was full of sulfur, I'm sure. Oh, that's interesting! - 23 - Mr. Zubik: It used to stink down there, remember where those water wells Ms. Kelley: were? They had, they had aerated the water, where it would get rid of some of that smell. And it was down back behind the post office. They had these aerating ponds. Mr. Opersteny: It was by the electrical plant. Ms. Calliham: Yeah, what's the physical plant. Mr. Opersteny: I don't know if it was the only water well, but the water well that used to be up there close to the that old Ramada, or whatever motel or hotel was called. Ms. Kelly: It is University something now. Ms. Calliham: University Towers. Mr. Zubik: The student housing, those big student housing- Mr. Opersteny: Yeah, it was in that area, and also at that time, or sometime or another, the university or the college, at that time, was moving the houses off the campus. And they had one little strip up there that they moved all the houses where the professors then lived. And the well was right by those houses. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 24 - Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Calliham: Wasn't there. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 But they used to stay... Hensel park. How much of you family worked in the business? We all did when it came to inventory time. Mother and Dad did, and I worked on campus after 1940, and '42, and if they were in a bind, when I got off from work, I would go in. But inventory time, and I'm sure my brother stocked groceries. We... there were a few things that we could do. But they had help. They later put in a market and Dad cut his own meat. He bought his own meat, and had it killed, and brought in, and he delivered groceries. In fact, back then, that was, I guess, during World War II. The cattle was processed by A & M. People would buy the calves, and take it there and, then apparently, this was a teaching process for the students, and they would slaughter the calves. I remember, it would be very unsanitary, I remember loading up meat in the back of a pick -up truck. We'd put sheets on it and bring it, but that was legal then. But that sure wouldn't pass now. Ms. Calliham: Well, that was a question, I was going to say. So, your dad could buy some of this meat? Mr. Opersteny: Well, he did. That was really the only way, I mean, Armoring Company. - 25 - Mr. Opersteny: Well, they were here, but my dad used to buy chickens from F.. . what was it, F &B Station, or something like that? And usually we'd take orders for people if they wanted a fryer, or a hen- Ms. Kelly: Or a turkey. Mr. Opersteny: But that particular weekend - Ms. Calliham: Was F &B Station now, is that have to do with F &B Road? Ms. Kelly: That's where the poultry- Mr. Zubik: It was called Feeding and Breeding Experimental Station. I don't Ms. Calliham: Bought it from the university, from A &M, and sold chickens. What about milk and things like that? Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 know if it's still in operation or not. He bought from Lilly Creamery... was one of their main sources of milk. Now I don't remember the others, but Lilly was the main one. When he first put in, he was one of the first to put in Bluebonnet ice cream, they furnished the freezer for him and he had Blue Bell ice cream. And that was many, many years ago. - 26 - Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Calliham: What kind of hours did your store work? Ms. Kelly: Long. Mr. Zubik: From can to can't. Ms. Kelly: He left the house, Dad left the house by 6 o' clock because he would have laborers that would be waiting to get their lunch things. They didn't have the refrigeration and so he would slice up their lunch meat and they would buy their bread. And then the delivery trucks were there. He'd be opened for that. His time to close was 7. I have known him to come to the store because somebody didn't have a loaf of bread on Sunday, to give them a loaf of bread, but the hours were very long. Of course, they didn't work on Sunday, they worked on Saturday, but they were closed on Sunday. Ms. Calliham: I mean, this may be a silly question, but what were the kinds of things that people mostly bought then? Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, I remember there was a Sanitary Farm Dairies, I remember their milk. Carnation and Borden's. I don't remember a Lilly milk at that time, but I remember Sanitary. They wanted fresh vegetables. He had a high line of party goods that you wouldn't find in a normal drive -in because the people entertained on campus. And he, at that time, he was the closest. - 27 - Ms. Calliham: So, like the president's wife at A &M probably would buy a lot of her Ms. Kelly: wwl cl reports l peggy 09/04/94 But, like olives, and stuffed olives, and things that you would use for a party, they had all those things. food. Yes, yes. And they would deliver. As time went on, it got harder. Before they sold the store they gave up the delivery, but they had one man that was retired that lived in, I guess, College Hills on the east, at the east gate. And he got his mail at the mailbox - they didn't have delivery in College Station. The boy always went by and picked up, I don't remember the man's name, mail and delivered it to him whether he had groceries going or not. But there were a lot of people that were here, that traded, that had been here for years. The Ivey's. Mrs. Ivey would call her order in and if he didn't take it home on the way home, Daddy would drop it off because it was on the way home. Mr. Opersteny: And he also charged groceries. Ms. Calliham: You could call in your order and charge it. And you had a ticket that you'd pay at the end of the month or end of the week or whatever. (Unidentified): Can I mention something your dad used to complain about? Is some of the strange traditions of the foreign students that would shop there. They opened up, or want a taste- - 28 - Ms. Kelly: Mr. Opersteny: As well as jelly. Or anything that had a screw top, they would tend to open it - stick there finger in it, and taste it. Ms. Calliham: Now days, oh my goodness! (Unidentified): I've seen people do baby food like that in the stores. Mr. Opersteny: Now? (Unidentified): Now. Ms. Calliham: Oh my goodness. Describe a, what you might call a good work day, and what might be a not so good work day. As your dad might of let you in on- Ms. Kelly: ww1 cl reports) peggy 09/04/94 Yes. They, after the war, was it the Marshall plan? I believe that was it, brought many foreign students. He also catered to them, in that he would get them live chickens - they preferred live chickens. And he would get them. He ordered rice in ten pound sacks you can imagine ten pounds of rice. And, but he also had problems with baby food. They would open it, and taste it, and put the seal back on. Well, I couldn't say that myself because I didn't work full time, but there would be times in the summertime - there was no air conditioning in that building. And you have frozen food counters; you have a locker for meat, or you have a meat counter. And one of - 29 - Ms. Calliham: Well, didn't most of the students, though, eat on the campus, in one of the dining halls? But were they good customers? Ms. Kelly: Oh, yes. Ms. Calliham: I mean, what kinds of things were the students always wanting, that they couldn't get at the dining hall? Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 those go out, you're up a creek. So he did make a trip every Sunday whether he was, he wasn't open, to check his boxes, to make sure that they were operating. Because you would have a great loss. One of the things in the grocery - they had a lot of fresh vegetables because the horticulture department, what they grew they would sell to the store. So they would have a different variety of plum - things that were gown here. And they couldn't accept the money or something at the time, but they would take it out and things, little things that they needed for the store, I mean for their work. They need paraffin to put on jellies that they had made. Well, they would get that. Or if they needed a certain type of cleaning thing, I don't know how they work that out, but anyway, we always did have the advantage of the fresh vegetables and fruit. When the Brazos berry came out, it was, sold at the store. What a typical teenager buys now. They wanted pickles, they wanted lunch meat, cheese. The first of school, every student had his broom and mop. And bathroom cleaning supplies. I don't know whether they still do that, but the variety store, the book stores, the - 30 - grocery stores, all had a tremendous stock of brooms and mops and cleaning supplies. Ms. Calliham: Kind of like they raid WaI -Mart before the beginning of school now. Ms. Kelly: Yeah. Ms. Calliham: To get all of those things. That's interesting. I probably didn't need to ask where they ate. Your dad probably sliced himself sandwich meat, and made himself a sandwich. And certainly there weren't any places that people went off to eat. Ms. Kelly: There was an ice cream place next door and then they... Katy Arhopolous had a restaurant. And of course, gradually, there were more places to eat. Mr. Opersteny: Well, there used to be a restaurant by A.M. Waldrop - the clothing store. There was a restaurant in that particular building. Ms. Calliham: How'd the Depression affect- Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Let's see, they started out, right out, their own business in the Depression. It was hard going, but they made a living at it. I guess, as Jack said, they made money during the war. Mother and Daddy had a source of candy in Houston, that they were able to get candy bars. And we made the trip to Houston to pick them up at a -31 - warehouse. And we would be just, the boys, the word got along that candy was available and the store would be full. Ms. Calliham: What kind of candy? Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Hershey bars and Baby Ruth, or any type that we could get. I had an uncle that worked for a big grocery chain and he was able to get the candy bars for us. And it was a good source of income during that time. Well, when they came in for a candy bar, they bought something else. Sort of like we can't go in for a jug of milk now days. That's right. What are some funny stories or anything that you remember that.. . fond memories, or stories that you remember? Well, I remember the Lipscomb's ice cream parlor, or snack bar. They always had ice cream and it was a delight for me to come to College Station. And I'd get off the bus - I went to St. Joseph's school in Bryan and I would get on Texas now, at the corner of the courthouse and get on the bus. Come out to College and the bus driver let me off - I hadn't paid him a dime, and he made the rounds through the campus, and came back, Daddy would be standing there to pay him and he would take it, and maybe once a week I got to come out after school. And I always got my ice cream cone. I - 32 - Ms. Calliham: I knew Dr. Asbury too. Ms. Kelly: think another thing that sticks in my mind is the campus housing that was across the street. People walked over for their groceries. Behind the post office, Dr. Asbury lived. Dr. Asbury had roses that were taller then the house. And I happened to play the piano with a friend. He loved music. And Tony was a student of a Mrs. Ferguson, I believe. Anyway, we'd go on maybe Saturday afternoon and play, he had two pianos. And pictures all over the walls. But his hobby was seeing how tall climbing roses could grow. He had trellises way up there. Mr. Zubik: He also used to broadcast which was the original WTAW started there. You remember - Ms. Kelly: I remember the WTAW, but I didn't realize he started it. Mr. Zubik: Out of there. Ms. Calliham: Where was it? Ms. Kelly: His building, his house was the first street behind the post office. The corner... and there was houses along there. Ms. Calliham: Is that what's called Asbury now? Isn't there an Asbury Street? wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 33 - Mr. Zubik: Could be. I believe there's a corner there called Asbury. Ms. Kelly: Okay, that's where he lives. Mr. Opersteny: Sort of across from that old bank. Ms. Calliham: Well what did Dr. Asbury teach? Mr. Zubik: Well, he was on campus, but I don't know. Mr. Opersteny: He was a history professor and, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, he may have been quite an authority on Texas. Ms. Kelly: I really don't know what, except that he collected paintings and wanted to see how tall roses would grow. Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 My dad... he used to come to the bus station and I played Northgate when I was a little girl. And he would come and cut paper dolls with me. I remember because I didn't have anybody to play with, and he would play with me. So I have fond memories. And he rode the bicycle and every year in the fall. Daddy ordered a crate of Arkansas black apples. There was no apple but the Arkansas, and that's what he had. And he would buy him a whole crate of them. - 34 - Ms. Calliham: Would you, do you have some things you might want to add to all of this? Why don't we switch places- Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Calliham: We'II videotape you, yeah. Mr. Opersteny: No, this is fine. (inaudible) You were asking what was considered a good day, and of course, to show you some of the differences back then and now, I remember my father being real elated when he rang up a hundred dollars on the cash register. For one day's business, he was thrilled to death, that was a big event. So, groceries were quite cheap. Apparently, back then. Ms. Calliham: What do you remember about the price of things back then? Mr. Opersteny: Well, I do remember there was peanut patties. They used to come two per package per nickel. Ms. Calliham: Peanuts are worth more than that. Candy bars, like a Hershey bar? Mr. Opersteny: They probably were a nickel. They were a pretty nice size bar. Mr. Zubik: Big old bar! wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 -35- Mr. Opersteny: Mr. Zubik: I'd remember peppermint sticks were about a foot long and about the size of a nice big rope. Maybe an inch, almost, in diameter, and those were a nickel too. You remember when Knee High Bottling Company came out with that big bottle like that? They showed a lady with her empty knee. Ya'II remember that? Ms. Kelly: I don't remember it coming out like that, but I remember Knee High was bottled in Waco. Ms. Calliham: Well, I certainly never knew that about Knee High. I wondered where they got that name. Mr. Zubik: They'd show a nice young lady, (inaudible), something like that, boy, they ought to come around there and see! Ms. Calliham: What are some of the funny... or the memories that you have as a little boy around the store? Just what took place? Mr. Opersteny: Well, this was basically, I guess you could say, to a degree, was where I was raised. Because my mother worked in the store, she brought me to the store. She would catch a ride with my uncle or many times we caught the bus and rode out there. I played with the Anderson, Reverend Anderson, and his daughter is here today. So, there was a son- wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 36 - Ms. Kelly: Sonny and Freddy. Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Opersteny: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Sonny was about my age, and who was a physician, but I think he died. Fred is still living. Mother used to come out about Fred, or as we called him, Freddy. He used to kneel down in front of the candy counter, and just, just. ..and she would give him a sucker. And then he would leave. But he never said a word, he'd just kneel down in front of candy counter. Of course, back then also, I remember Nabisco. There was no such thing as packaged cookies. They came in a square box and Nabisco had made a little thing to fit on them, kind of like a glass door. You used to sell cookies that way. Ms. Calliham: Just one at a time? You could sell, buy them, I think they were by the pound or by the piece. You could buy what you wanted to. It was square and had a glass top on it. And you could reach in. Fig Newtons... there was a chocolate with the cream in it, and a vanilla with the cream, and then the short bread. And Daddy'd usually have about five or six varieties. And then somewhere they begin to package things, and so it made it much easier. In fact, I remember sacking sugar because it came in a hundred pound bag, and all of the grocery stores would package it up. Pinto beans came in a bag, and they were packaged up. - 37 - Ms. Calliham: Did your daddy sell Cokes back then? Coca -Cola? Was there a lot of Coca - Cola's bought back then? Ms. Kelly: The smaller 6 ounce. Mr. Opersteny: 6 ounce. And the Dr. Pepper. He didn't particularly specialize in selling it, like individually. It usually was, I guess, per six pack. Ms. Kelly: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Opersteny: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/99 And the bottles - you had to worry with the, the bottles were refundable and people would come in and they'd get knocked over in the back, and you lost a lot for breakage there. Ms. Calliham: What about milk? I remember milk bottles, you had your milk bottles. You had your milk bottles and the dairy people would come and count how many cases of glass they took, and you got credit on that. But you had a lot of hand work to do. Your soda water bottles, your milk bottles, cream, everything came in glass. (Unidentified): Ya'll talked about the milk being cream on the top. Wasn't it in a little bubble or something? Carnation's had a glass bottle that had a little bubble on it, and then along with that, they would sell you a little thing that had a rubber, I guess, on it that you'd push down in the bottle. That created a - 38 - Ms. Calliham: And everybody fought over the cream for their cereal, or they didn't fight over the cream. Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Kelly: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Opersteny: Trimble. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 suction and, of course, it would only go down as far as the cream, so you would take the cream off the top of the milk bottle. There was no such thing as homogenized milk. In fact, I can recall first homogenized milk came out. I thought it taste horrible, but then after you got to drinking homogenized milk, then the other taste horrible. Ms. Calliham: What was the atmosphere, this is, I guess a question for all of you, at Northgate among the merchants? Community, community. You knew the people, of course Jack would know more, but the lady that ran that building that they showed that was blue, it used to be an apartment house, and the lady that managed that - she would walk to the store; to the post office. Everybody was friendly, everybody was ready to help. Mr. Zubik: You had a problem, well- They worked it out. At one time, Daddy had two students that lived in the back of the store, because they had a lot of burglary. One of them happened to be a football player- - 39 - Ms. Kelly: This was in the thirties - Stumble. Mr. Opersteny: Stumble, that's right. Ms. Kelly: But I don't remember. He was big, and that's all I know, but they lived there as protection because we had... it wasn't the students that were breaking in; it was people coming from the outside. I guess at that time College Station didn't have a police force. Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, there was no College Station. There was no College Station until '38. And it had one policeman. Okay, then this was prior to that, and I know in the storeroom, they had a little kitchen in the store anyway. Then they had built this room and there were two, typical, dormitory bunk beds in there. And those boys stayed there as night watchmen, I guess. Ms. Calliham: Do you remember any particular problems that the merchants at Northgate, or had as a group? Ms. Kelly: I can't remember. Ms. Calliham: Not really? - 40 - Mr. Zubik: Ms. Kelly: When I worked on campus- Mr. Zubik: Ms. Kelly: Ms. Calliham: Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 But you asked earlier, both of us about depression. Alright, the faculty and Profs., of course the state of Texas was broke too. So, they gave them a voucher. They had numbers, it wasn't good 'til that number came up. So what the Bryan banks did do, I don't know whether they charged them or not, but they could leave that voucher there and they'd advance them some money. And when that voucher came due, that number came due and they got the money, well then they'd give them the rest of the money. But they would help the Profs. and the faculty members by advancing them some money. Ms. Calliham: So, when they got paid by the state, sometimes the money wasn't there, and they had to wait. Mr. Zubik: Well, it wasn't there for a couple of months. I went to work in 1942. On campus. I'm sure it was four years before we could say that it wasn't delayed payment on it. But the Bryan banks honored those. So, that had to have helped. Well, then, after that, by that time, the war was over and the students were coming and things seemed to be a little better. -41 - Ms. Calliham: You had something you wanted to say. Mrs. Opensteny: Yes, I wanted to tell you something that your mother told me last week. Incidentally, she is still living and she could help a lot. Anyway, she was telling me about an Easter egg hunt- (inaudible) Ms. Kelly: Luke and Charlie sponsored an Easter egg hunt. Mrs. Opensteny: Charlie, my husband was just a baby at the time. And she was given, I think, two crates of eggs that she had to dye. She was telling me the difficulty that she had. Ms. Calliham: Who was the Easter Egg hunt for? Ms. Kelly: For the children of the professors. And it was held on campus. Mr. Zubik: Well, isn't it now where the pool, where the golf club is now. Ms. Kelly: Well, back in that area where the road, I don't know how the road goes now. It used to go around Kyle Field, and then to where the project houses used to be. Back in there, and there was a park- Mr. Zubik: Well, was it called - not Hensel park, College park, wasn't it called? wwlc■•eportslpeggy 09/04/94 - 42 - Ms. Kelly: Well, I don't know, but I can remember she and Mrs. Patronella doing three or four cases of eggs - dying them. Mr. Zubik: Ms. Calliham: Is that like Dexter park, or Bryson park? wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 See, that College park was really the first housing project that people could kind of buy and own their own homes, remember? And it had a little water pond, or something down through there. It would be across from that Clayton, William J. Clayton- (inaudible) Ms. Kelly: It was on campus. Ms. Calliham: That was a part of campus? Mr. Zubik: Bryson park, I believe you are correct. Ms. Calliham: It's changed, then. (Unidentified): Yeah, there's no lake there anymore. Ms. Calliham: Yeah, that's true. Mr. Zubik: Well, that was called College Park, and I think Herschel Burgess and Bill Sparks did the subdivision. Mrs. Burgess is still living. - 43 - Ms. Kelly: No, no, but this one was on campus, when they had the Easter Egg hunt, it was on campus. Mr. Zubik: It was on campus. (Unidentified): She said it was on, I think, Easter Saturday, and it was for the students and maybe the children and the professor's wives, and the professor's children. Ms. Kelly: I don't remember how many crates she said she would have. (Unidentified): Oh yeah, she has a colander that's about like this and she'd put the eggs in and boil them. And then while the next batch is boiling, she's dying these eggs. Ms. Calliham: I can't imagine doing four crates of eggs. Do you all have anything else that you would like to add to this? Mr. Opersteny: Mr. Zubik: wwlclreporlslpeggy 09/04/94 Of course, as a child, and being down at the store I used to get quite a thrill out of the Corp with their campaign hats and also their cannons marching in front of the store. Pulling them in front of the store and going down to the, I guess the area of Hensel park, to have their little maneuvers, or whatever, at that particular time. So, don't know how old I was; 4 or 5; 6 years of age. The students that was in the calvary, y'know, they used to come by, riding their horses. Had a certain way to get on and off of those - 44 - saddles. And they performed mostly where. ..well, it's a parking lot there I guess. You know that area further down? Well, I think they play polo down in there now, in that area now. The Calvary there, had those horses. Ms. Calliham: Kind of like seeing a parade every day when the students- Mr. Opersteny: Well, it was a big thrill for me as a child. Of course, at that time, they all wore the campaign hat. The patches were on the pocket. Mr. Zubik: We had to cross - stitch those on. Mr. Opersteny: Ms. Calliham: Was the train, when I remember it, was there still a hump you drove over to get over? Mr. Opersteny: Yes. Mr. Zubik: Where the underpass was. Mr. Opersteny: But that's the main track. This was the spur. - 45 - wwIclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Now, of course, they're all shoulder patches. And I mentioned earlier, of course, I don't know how old I was about the train, when it jumped the track, or derailed. Of course, it really got stuck down in (inaudible). It was there for several days. Hopefully, I can look through some of the pictures that maybe my mother has, or either we have, of my standing by it. Ms. Calliham: And where did the spur go? Mr. Opersteny: Well, it went to the power plant. They had to have coal. Ms. Kelly: It came behind those dormitories and what was known as the Triple A building. Was right here, and the main railroad was there. And it came, this would be Sulfur Road, where this track came right along the way- Ms. Calliham: And it came down beside the road, or along the road? Mr. Opersteny: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Kelly: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Well, right there, you see, it was a spur, so as my sister pointed, it ran behind the old Triple A building, then came up Sulfur Road for a little ways, and then curved in behind the post office. Ms. Calliham: And I think that was still in that parking lot, or it may still be in that parking lot, parts of that, or did they- The post office, the Northgate post office is built a little bit, they left room for that train to come by. It's set back a little bit off the side of that road. But see, there were houses there, and that little old spur came right in front of those houses. Pecan trees and houses all along there. Profs. lived there. One other thing that we didn't bring up. There were boarding houses. Over the Sparks - Casey Pharmacy. Mrs. Wright had a - 46 - boarding house. I don't know whether the boys had rooms somewhere, but they ate their meals with these people. Mrs. Parkhill was another one that had a boarding house. Mr. Zubik: Mrs. Siegert, you remember. Ms. Kelly: Anna Siegert had a boarding house where she fed them. Now Mrs. Siegert also had rooms. Ms. Calliham: I wonder which students ate at a boarding house and which students ate on campus? Or what made the difference? Ms. Kelly: I don't know. And this was prior to World War II. I know when my husband was there, he had to eat on campus. When he first went. They marched to meals. Ms. Kelly: Mr. Zubik: Ms. Kelly: Mr. Zubik: Mr. Zubik: Well, she still had that thing there when we moved there in 1929, upstairs. But that was prior to World War II. Prior to World War II, that's right. But I know a Mrs. Wright had it, and Ms. Parkhill had one. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 And Sergeant Siegert's wife, but he was on the campus though. Ms. Siegert was a Boyett. - 47 - Ms. Kelly: Well, her first husband was a Boyett. Mr. Zubik: Well, she was kin to the Boyett's. Ms. Calliham: You all pronounce it "Boyt." Don't they call it "Boyett ?" But I remember it being called "Boyt." Ms. Kelly: They say Boyett now? Ms. Calliham: I think. Mr. Opersteny: I think you're right. Ms. Calliham: But it probably really is Boyett. Mr. Opersteny: Then... everyone... because Mr. Zubik been around, and we all Mr. Zubik: Mr. Opersteny: It was an old humble service station. ww\cIreportsIpe88Y 09/04/94 referred to them as the Boyts. And, see, if you remember way back there on the corner of Wellborn Road and that Sulfur Road, there was what they called Boyett's Corner. There was a guy, Alton Boyett, that had a service station there. - 48 - Mr. Zubik: That's the way you came in from Bryan, you had to come in that way. Mr. Opersteny: That was the old Highway 6. Ms. Calliham: Wellborn Road now. Ms. Kelly: I think in that position is where the Boyett grocery store was, and that' when paddy worked before he and Luke opened their store- Mr. Zubik: ... Boyett and somebody else worked there. A Kinby, Kinby- Ms. Calliham: Okay, Kinby had a store in Bryan too. Mr. Zubik: Yeah, but they first started working in that little store there - Ms. Kelly: On campus. Mr. Zubik: On campus, right across from the exchange store. But see, then they closed it and went. Mr. Opersteny: wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 (inaudible) Another thing, of course, talking about my dad's grocery store, when they moved the building back, of course, every summer I worked in the store, so when they moved the store to the back, I told my dad that I didn't want to work in the store that summer. So, he got me a - 49 - job building the present store. I laugh because of the work ethic at that time compared to now. I remember, of course, we would build the forms, and then they would pour the concrete. My job is, of course, peon, was to take the forms and tear them apart. And you reuse that (inaudible) lumber again, and we would put it up on the roof, and I remember- Mr. Zubik: Well, did your uncle build that store? Martinsen? Mr. Opersteny: No. Mr. Zubik: He didn't do it? Mr. Opersteny: No, I don't think it was him. Ms. Kelly: I don't think so. I don't know who the contractor was. Mr. Opersteny: But anyway, I was up on the roof, nailing some of those boards down, and I had put one down and nailed it and of course, the foreman said, ** ** wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 Y * *•. -50- * * **** * * * * ****,' ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *, Mr. Zubik: J.B. Lauterstein Ms. Kelly: Lauderstein. I thought it was Vaseline. wwlclreportslpeggy 09/04/94 never lit. -51 - is. You'll, this will probably stimulate your memories and you'll probably think of all sorts of stories you wish you had told us. And if you think of some other things you'd like us to know, well, we'd love to- Ms. Kelly: I'm going to ask Mr. Zubik. What was the man's name that had the cleaners next door to the Holik's? It started with a- Mr. Opersteny: No, no, Lauderstein. And he always had a cigar in his mouth - Ms. Calliham: Just chewed. Mr. Opersteny: He always chewed a cigar. Ms. Kelly: I asked Mother the other day, and she couldn't remember- Mr. Zubik: J.B. Lauderstein, he's dead, and his wife is dead, but his daughter lives in San Antonio somewhere. But they sold those buildings, I think. Ms. Calliham: Well, I need to get, Mary Lou, I need to get you and Charles both, to fill out one of- wwlcl reports l peggy 09/04/94 End of tape. - 52 - HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL Hp5TORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. 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(0�z,e Oct it 7A(io .5/.2 a? y Telephone Date of Birth 1 Place of Birth i•�.L�� INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance \Ter() er Z cif t I'k Place of Ine4rview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. 'Inter (P }ease ure o Inter / iewee Name /5` / )) t /VM Address 2 3 Telephone Date of Birth 1— o —/ f/ vvt s �� Q � Place of Birth I? Rk ,lA/ Inter ie*er (Please Print) Sign 444/4„) of Interviewer INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Init In progress a`uc y .Z 7