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Faculty and Staff Panel 6
Oral History 07/14/98 Room 107 Moderator: Mary Jo Lay Dorothy Holland Dick Hervey Meeting started at 10:10 a.m. Victor Schember Marion Schember Moderator: Continuation of our historical preservation committee where we're recording information called "Memory Lane ". This particular one is related to early faculty and staff at A &M. So we have several people here. Do I need to introduce these people? Marion Schember and her husband Vic, on the right. Dick Hervey and Dorthy Holland. And the note - taker's, Kathy Stasny and I'm Mary Jo Lay. I'm pretty excited about this and rd like to begin this morning by letting each of you tell us what your job was and what department you were with. Vic, would you like to begin? Yes? Vic: Just initially? Moderator: Yes, just tell us what you did and the year you came, that would be interesting. Vic: We came Moderator: Why don't you look at the camera. Vic: We came in the fall of 1939 from Michigan and I was a graduate student - working on my master's degree - and had a teaching assistantship in the department of Agronomy, which was headed by Dr. Ide P. Trotter and some of the associates in that department then were Dr. Mogford, Dr. Tildon Easley, Dr. Roy Donahue, Mr. Chapman, R.C. Potts. Those were the main staff at that time. I taught Agronomy 105 laboratories and had a half -time teaching positions at that time. The first year, it paid $50 a month. And as I recall, that would have been discounted, as the state was paying you with warrants, The second year, I was raised to $60 a month, which provided the basic necessities at that time. Moderator: All right, well let's go ahead and go to Marion, tell us... Marion: Oh! Well, his project was out in the oats. We had 22 oat varieties. Am I right, Sweetie? Marion: Okay. And...so this was out in the bottom. Well, he'd have to go by Dr. Totter's office and get the lawn mower when it came time to harvest it and then Td be out there with him sometimes...then we'd take the samples up, put them all out on the table and they'd have to dry out and then...then...whatever he did with it, I don't remember all of those things But, anyway, I was the assistant. And, as far as living here is concerned, we thoroughly enjoyed it and on this campus we would go to the homes of the people, you know, like the men would get together and grade papers, well maybe over at Dr. Totter's house. The women would sit and visit. And then, we lived out in an apartment. I think we paid $25 month, probably half our salary. And we had a car, but there was one couple that lived across the hall from us, and they were from North Carolina - no North Dakota and then down below were Katherine and Ed McAfee and he was an instructor, brand new, in the Agronomy Department. Anyway, we all were brides. The upstairs had been married in April, we'd been married in June, and Katherine and Ed married in August. So, anyway, we had a great time for that year. And then the next year, Katherine and Ed bought a duplex on Montclair and wanted us to move in on the other side, so we did that. So it was a great two years. Moderator: Sounds wonderful. And I assume that $60 a month was your total salary. Marion: Oh, yes! Vic: Oh, yes! Marion: Oh, we took a trip on that, too. Moderator: Must have been wonderful. Marion: We went down to the valley the first year we were here... Moderator: And you had a car? Marion: We never had seen oranges, you know, grow, so we went to the valley. And then, when we finished well, that's another story because he was a reserve officer and so these opportunities came for jobs, but being a reserve officer he couldn't take those jobs. So, we went back to Michigan that summer and we took the long way around and went to Galveston and all around and then got home and had a call to come back to Texas for a job. And so then, I think that lasted a few months, well a month or two. And then he was called in as a reserve, he was called in before Pearl Harbor, so then that took another five years. Moderator: That's another story too... Marion: Another story before we decided to come back to Texas A &M. Moderator: Dick, would you tell us about your job and apartments? Dick: Yes. I came to College Station originally in 1938 as a student, and I attended A &M from 1938 to 1942. And I can testify, without fear of being questioned by anybody, that Dr. Schember did teach Agronomy 105 in 1939, because he taught me! And he was a good teacher, even if they were just paying him $50 to do it. And I believe that I'm correct in saying that Vic is the only living former faculty member that I know of that I had while I was here. Also, I can testify that Vic was in the Air Force, because I was in the Air Force and we were members of the same 9807 Air Force reserve squad. We served together from about 1947 about 1958 whenever we took honorary retirement. Well, that's besides the point. Now, on October the first, 1947, I returned to College Station to become director of the Association of Former Students and I served in that capacity October the first 1947 to October the first 1964. I left the Association to go into the banking and savings and loan business. Moderator: Dorothy, would you tell us about your job? Dorthy: Well arrived on campus in 1944 and I was... I was fresh out of college, from what they now call Texas Women's University, and it was TSWC then, with a...I had a degree in Journalism and Laura Lane came up and interviewed me for a job. So I reported on July the fifteenth, 1944. I arrived on campus and it was hot, and dusty, and the only way you could get here was by train or bus, and I had to take a bus part of the way to get there. I was delivered to the Aggieland, which was on campus then, and then I was picked up by some people who...to sign papers and so forth. I served as an editor and a writer and...for 34 years, I didn't mean to stay there that long, but I did. I can remember that on campus, the headquarters staff was then and I think what the Military Service people do now, and I don't know what they mean...that building. My office was just called the Editorial Office, it was on the third floor of the System Building and so we moved around quite a bit. The District Agents, you know, who now are out in the district, were headquartered here and then they moved them out later. We had staff meetings, I think once every three months. I remember that we had an all America meeting in Guin Hall. We have available abundant history. Oh, and I did arrive on campus after the mass fight, you know Dr. T.O. Walton was relieved of his presidency , and so was H.H. Williamson, who was the director of extension then. They also fired Mildred Hortman, home economics leader. When I got on campus, F.C. Bolton was serving as president, and then J.D. Prewitt came in as interim director, I guess. So I've seen a lot happen in administration since I came, but, to go way back, now, we can give a lot of details from our archives. Dorothy: I earned $150 a month, a little bit more than we made in the early days. I tell you, I had borrowed money from my dad. Came down with a hundred dollars and I just started paying him back $25 a month, and that didn't work too well. Moderator: Let's get on talking about what it was like working here. What about the buildings, are the buildings still here that you worked in, Vic? Vic: Yes, they are. They would call it the Agronomy building. I don't know if its still called that or not. I think the sign is there. We were in it until I think 1953 and then the Agricultural Experiment Station headquarters was moved to the Systems Building. We were located on the south end of the main floor of the Systems Building. The Agriculture Extension Service headqarters was on the opposite end. So those are still there. Moderator: That was where the West campus is now? Vic: Yeah. Yes. Dick: Across the railroad tracks. Moderator: Uh -huh. Vic: Yep. Dick: Agronomy Road. Moderator: What...Where was the Former Student Association? Dick: Well, in 1947, when I came back here, the Association of Former Students offices were over at the Administration Building, now called Williams Administration Building. Go to the west entrance to the Administration Building, turn immediately to the right, back to the right was the Association's office. The Fiscal office was on one end and the Registrar's office was on the other end....Mr. Holtzman and Charlie Roeber and that group, and Mr. Edge, Bill Hensel worked in there about that time. And I left the Association in 1964 and named Buck Weirus my successor. I moved to the University National Bank which was just off campus. And then two years later I moved next door to the Community Savings and Loan Association, and that's where I stayed until retired. Moderator: And you mentioned... Dorothy: The conference, if they mean where I'm thinking, that's Military Science Building. Dick: It's called the Trigon. Dorothy: The headquarters stag except for the editorial staff, was located there, and we were in the System Building. Moderator: Now, a question here that I'm a little curious about. Did you and your family have any sick leave or vacations ever? Vic: Of course we didn't, and it wasn't until, I think, much later that there was anything really provided for part time workers. I was half time teaching assistant. I might that there was an opportunity later on to pay in to the teacher's retirement system and recoup those years of military service. Having departed from here for military service, you could buy those years back. So, in that sense, it wasn't provided at the time, but we were given the opportunity to make those count, which we did. Marion: But, when you came back, after the war, to start working, then things were good. I mean, you know, came back to the experiment station. Vic: Yes. But, I think it was about the mid 50's before we got into insurance programs and that sort of thing. And I've forgotten when we came under Social Security, but somewhere along that time the different parts were able to vote whether they would come under Social Security. Moderator: So, it was optional at the time? Vic: No not per individuals, but only if the whole organization voted to join (majority vote). And however, that vote went, as an employee you had no option. But as far as I know the complete university system joined. Moderator: What about you Dorthy? Dorothy: We were with the Teacher Retirement System and much later we became eligible for Civil Service. Moderator: Oh! I didn't realize that! What about former students? Dick: Former students had no retirement program what -so -ever and we were not under Social Security until about 1956 or '57 when we were able to come under the Social Security program. Moderator: What about lunch time, what did you do during lunch break? Did you have a lunch break? Vic: Oh yes, we had a lunch break and there was a coffee pot that you could go to anytime. Some of us carried a sack lunch during the noon hour we would go out to the south end of the system building, where there was a little grove of cedars, just right that with the little trimming we could set up a washer court and pitch washers about 2" in diameter. There were cups about 25- 30' apart. Each team used 4 washers of different colors. Sometimes we cleared the court of snow. We had a great time and lots of fun. There was lots of laughter going on out there among the men. Marcus Holleman was one of the funny ones. He usually had a pocket full of pecans in his pocket and he'd be breaking those. Called him Mr. Pecan. "Scooter" Scotter was in the main system Architect Offic. Then later on of course, after we got air conditioning, and we became to comfortable to go outside at noon and play our washer game. Moderator: Oh yea, stopped all that? Vic: We changed and played 42 during lunch hour, business permitting. Now and then you get too busy at budget time and such. Then you didn't take time off for much of anything and worked weekends too without compliant or extra pay. It was just part of the job. Moderator: What about the women working? What did you do during lunch breaks? Dorothy: We had sack lunches we brought, but, uh, what was the name of the little brown floor at the Y? Dick: It was Casey's Drug Store. It was Mr. Casey and Bill Sparks that had a drug store in the basement of the Y which was on the north side. The barber shop was on the south side. Dorothy: But they had sandwiches. Dick: Yes, they had a confectionery and they sold sandwiches and that sort of things. Vic: I'd forgotten all about that. Dick: But we called it Casey's. I ran many a detail from Goodwin Hall over there and back. Cokes and milkshakes and so forth for those sophomores. Moderator: Well what's Pop Shaw's? Dick: Pop Shaw's was a little hamburger stand in back of what was the exchange store. The exchange store is now where the admissions office is, Heaton Hall. But Pop Shaw's had a little frame building that was about 8 by 10 feet in size and he sold hamburgers and they had no health inspections and no certificates on the wall, flies were everywhere but he sold 6 hamburgers for a quarter. Later on, many years after the Brazos County A &M club got hold of Pop Shaw's and we had it out at the A&M Club building that we owned at that time and we found out later that Mr. Harold Dunn who was a member of the Board of Regents at A &M at one time and the President of Shamrock Oil and Gas Corporation had worked for Pop Shaw's making hamburgers so we voted to give that building to Harold Dunn if he'd come and get it so he sent a low -boy truck down here from Canadian, Texas and hauled that hamburger stand of Pop Shaw's back to his ranch at Canadian, Texas and he has that as a place to cook hamburgers for his friends at his ranch. Moderator: You are kidding? Isn't that terrific! Dick: Mr. Dunn's deceased now, but he was a great Aggie. He was class of'25 and he told me that there was a black man that had a wagon and a horse and he'd go from Byran to College Station in the wagon and he'd go over and get a wagon load of onions somewhere in Bryan and haul them back to hamburger stand and he'd pay the black man 50 cents for the round trip to haul those onions. Moderator: Oh goodness gracious, I had no idea about that. I'm glad I asked the question. Well it looks like Pm skipping around a little bit here, but I have these notes to follow, but, uh, what about health insurance? Was there any sort of medical or health insurance for employees early on? Vic: Well the only thing that I remember is that the students had access to the hospital. Moderator: We've always had that on campus then? Vic: I guess. Dick: Dr. Marsh was head of the hospital and Mom Craghom was the head nurse. You would do anything in the world you could possibly do to not go to the hospital. Moderator: Well was that available to staff as well as students? Dick: I think staff could use it too. Vic: When I was a teaching assistant I ended up in it. We came from Michigan, so I got introduced to chiggers for the first time. I love to pick wild berries, and picked some along the railroad tracks and ended up with great, big whelps on me and they didn't go away. I ran a high fever so they put me in the hospital. I was in the hospital for three days with chigger bites. I was quite allergic to them. Moderator: I bet you were miserable. Vic: I was. Moderator: Oh goodness. Well Dorothy, where did the single people live? Did you have a place on campus to live when you came? Dorothy: No, we just boarded in small apartments, whatever we could find. Housing was really critical when I got in. You know people were coming back from W.W.II, and you lived wherever you could find a place. Marion: It even was in 1939. Moderator: And you said you all lived in an apartment, not on campus? Marion: And no it is still down on College Avenue. Vic: The Parrot's home. Marion: Mr. Parrot. Dick: Oh that's up at Northgate. Vic: North Main. Marion: Mr. Parrot had been the superintendent of the school. He wasn't at the time, but he had this big house with three apartments and a dining room where they served the students. And we had an apartment there, two rooms. Moderator: And what about you, when you came back? Dick: Well, when I came back, housing was extremely precious because the GI's were coming back and there were a lot of veterans around. I found a house at 117 Highland Drive in Bryan. I rented that house for $75 a month. Two bedroom, one bath and a little apartment size stove. It had an ice box. And we lived there for a year and a half. But you are asking about luncheons. We never went out to eat in those days. We didn't go to restaurants. We came home for lunch. I'd leave the office at twelve o'clock and I'd go home and eat lunch and did that for 17 years when I was in town. I was out of town a lot traveling, but my wife fixed lunch everyday. And I think she was real glad when I went to the bank because I never came home for lunch. Moderator: That was a different time, now that's for sure. Vic Bluetops, We came back in '46. Dick: Hived in the Bluetops two weeks. Moderator: Now what are the Bluetops? Marion: It was the motel in College Station. Right here Dick: Let me tell out where it was. You know where the Red Lobster is? Well the Red Lobster back north, Mr. Cal Graham who owned the Dairy right out here on South College Station, and I think about 40 little cabins and they were white with blue tops and it was the only, what we would call then, "tourists court." It was the only one in College Station. That's where if you could get a date to come from somewhere and they weren't putting the girls in the dorms and you'd try to get a room over at the Bluetops. Marion: We came, this was after the war, and we came to work and we stayed there for a little while and then we went down to Beaumont for a weekend to visit my sister and we couldn't get back in the Bluetops again. So, we went to a hotel in Brenham and then up somewhere in Caldwell. Vic: We finally got a little room or something over at Caldwell. After we stayed at a motel in Brenham. Marion: And then we got a room on Candyhill over here where now the apartments are. And our son had his first birthday out in the yard. We went to the grocery store and bought a little cake....his first birthday in the yard at this home. Vic: It was the home of one of the people who worked at the power plant. Dick: Candyhill was the residential area for the employees on the campus who did service work who were on call 24 hours a day. They had small houses over there and they were right across the street on the comer from where Albertson's used to be.... Moderator: Well this was one of my questions. Where did non faculty workers live? So you sort of answered that. Dick: Well yes. Vic: That was some housing provided by the university (Candy Hill) Dick: Yes, the university provided those housing and they sold those buildings off in the 50's I'd say. They started selling those houses at auctions. And people bought them, and I imagine that they could be identified around here. Somebody research on it, they could identify it. Moderator: That would be interesting wouldn't it? Did any of your children go to school on campus? Dick: Bill Hensel, Dr. Brooks Cofer, and those other Cofer girls, Sarah Allen and Latisha, Henry Allen the electrician out here at Peach Creek. Dorothy: My husband Dick: Curtis Holland Moderator: Oh, your husband's from this, College Station? Dick: He was a local fellow. Moderator: We need him here today. Dorothy: Pm sorry, he had a previous commitment. Dick: He workedfor the College Station Post Office for about 35 years. Moderator: Oh, so he could tell us lots of tales too. Dick: He and two of his brothers. Dorothy: Yeah... Moderator: Well a question on here that I'm curious about, it says how did A &M and surrounding areas get water? Was this a separate system from the City of Byan? Was there a well on campus? Dick: I can tell you exactly how that happened. There were wells, deep water wells, south of Brazos County. But there was so much sulfur in that water that it was almost undrinkable. So the City of College Station contracted with the City of Bryan to provide water because they were getting water from deep wells out around Bryan field. So, the university was getting to some extent water from the same wells out around Bryan field, but in recent years the university built a pipeline from Bryan field to here on the comer of F &B road and Wellborn road, those big storage tanks. Water comes from Bryan field area to those tanks. That provides the university with its water. Now the City of College Station had contracted with the university and the City of College Station buys its water from the university. Moderator: Well I didn't know that. It is interesting. Well what about heat on campus? What source of fuel was used to heat those buildings? Dick: Heat was always generated by the power plant. Moderator: We've always had a power plant? Dick: We've had a power plant at A &M almost since A &M was created. Vic: Huge stacks of coal. Dick: Huge, huge smoke stack. Marion: We used to go over there and get chunks of ice and make ice cream. Dick: For your information there are tunnels all under campus. Large walking tunnels, and ducts are huge pipes, insulated pipes in those tunnels where they, now I guess, are air condition, but early in those years they heated the buildings with steam heat. And they piped that steam in those tunnels from one building to another. Moderator: Well, I didn't know about that, I just was interested in that. Well a question on the, and I assume this is related to people who did live on campus, it says, did your family have servants or servants' quarters? Dick: Well, there were houses on campus with servants' quarters. Moderator: So the higher level Dick: Well, Mr. McQuillen, whose job I took at the Former Student Association, lived on the street that faces the drill field. He was living in a big, two story frame house. And next door to him was the Marburger's. I was at his home many times. Colonel Ike Ashburn lived in his home before he did. Colonel Ike moved to Houston, and McQuillen moved into this big house, and there were servants' quarters in the back of the house. They had a two car garage in the back of this big house, and in the back of that garage they had a servants' quarters. Moderator: So evidently there were some servants? Dick: Yes. Moderator: Some of the faculty did have servants at some time? Dick: Yes. Moderator: Who kept those houses on campus? I mean do you know Dick: Buildings and utilities? Moderator: So they were maintained.... Dick: By the college? Moderator: So everything was done Okay, another question is what kind of work week did you all have? Did you work forty hours a week and that was it? Dick: We worked as long as we had to work to do the job. Dorothy: That's right. Vic: That's pretty much it. I think the official work period went until Saturday noon. Didn't it? Dorothy: It did. That's right. Dick: We worked five days a week plus a half day on Saturday. Moderator: And what about teaching load, Vic? Did you teach 6 hours? Vic: I don't remember exactly. I expect it was about that much at least because it was supposed to be half of a teaching load. Moderator: Were you always half -time faculty? Vic: For those two years, working on a masters. Then of course when I came back after the war I was on staff. I wasn't faculty. I was staff. Moderator: Oh, you were a staff and not faculty. I misunderstood that. I thought you were faculty the whole time. Did you see a difference in the emphasis that was put on teaching and research at the time that you were teaching? Vic: Really, I couldn't tell very well because I was doing research to fill my thesis. All I know is working with people who were doing both research and teaching. That had just begun, sort of; let's see now, it was in '46 when they started this coordinated departments in agriculture, I think, when Dr. RD. Lewis came as the director. We used to have a Division of Agronomy that was Agricultural Experiment Station. They had department of Agronomy, which was teaching. And I don't know if the Extension Service equivalent would have been called. See all of a sudden departments in Agriculture had teachers, researchers and extension personnel assigned to the same department. They were now coordinated departments of agriculture. D.W. Williams became the Vice Chancellor for agriculture. He had been Dean of Agriculture. Moderator: Was there much socialization between the departments or were the departments kind of ? Dorothy: As far as the family we had lunch together, picnics and so forth. Moderator: Did you actually go out into the community and teach those classes? Dorothy: Let me tell you I was really glad to do tutorial work, writing and editing. And I remember one of the first bulletins that I had to work on, boy was it a mess. It was written by C.W. Stimmons, "Stumpy" Stimmons, who was a forestry specialist. And it was And he had taken the photographs and pasted them on to his manuscript. You can imagine all the time I had getting that to print. And then, uh, we had home economics publications which were very, very basic. Canning clubs, meat canning. Then you had a specialist who worked on how to make quilts. Very, very basic. And we still have copies of those Moderator: And what year was that in? Dorothy: Extension was created in 1914. Moderator: I think that's a wealth of information that you have there. But I can remember my mother participating in some of those. The kitchen would have So really, it was a good service. What else happened? Do you two think that you have something that you'd like to tell us? Dick: Well I wanted to comment about the social activities around the university in the early days. Most of us were invited to student social events like dances. Moderator: Oh really! Dick: Like the major dances Like the Senior Ring Dance. Those of us that were on the staff were largely invited to the Moderator: So there was really a lot more personal interaction? Dick: So, in those years it was a big personal interaction. In those years the faculty knew all the students. They were very caring. The thing that I think made A &M the way it is today is the faculty, how they treated their students. And those faculty people knew us as students and they cared about us. Which I don't think we have today. We've lost it I think. With 43,000 students, I don't think there is still relative affection and camaraderie. And the faculty, we were able to socialize and talk to the staff and faculty. And they were there all day long. They didn't leave and go play golf. They didn't leave and go home and work in the garden. They stayed in their little offices. But that doors were always open. And you were always welcome to go in and sit down. If you had a problem, discuss it with them. Moderator: What about class size? Was it, were classes more Moderator: So you could really get to know them. Dick: Well the lectures, like in chemistry lecture, along Harrington, they were large. There must have been about 250 students in lecture. But basically like in Briggs class like in lab there were 30 students. Vic: As a graduate student most of the classes I took were quite small. And the rooms were small. You didn't have these huge rooms. Now you go back to our experience back at Michigan State as students, undergrad students, we would have huge chemistry and physics. Here my classes were small. Some of the graduate students were 5 or 6 people in them, which was very nice. Cytology was an example. Moderator: Now, , we're leaving you out. What about the wives? Did you have much opportunity to interact with the students? Marion: Oh no. Vic: Well, she had some graduate students over at the house. Marion: Well some of his, yes. Moderator: Well what about the wives? Marion: Oh yes. We had a sewing group, Agronomy sewing group. But, no, you had to be on staff to come to the Newcomers (Club). You couldn't come to Newcomers as the wife of a graduate. Vic: As a teaching assistant Marion and I were both treated just like the full-time professional staff. We were included in meetings at the different homes, where we would grade papers, play cards, eat together, etc. It was like a big family Marion: When we came back full time, 'cause I had two little kids, I finally ended up teaching for a while 'cause they needed teachers. So I did a little teaching, but other than that I didn't go much into the social. Moderator: Maybe you all can answer this for me. What was the semester teaching schedule like? Did you teach, did the faculty teach year round? Or were they Fall, Spring semesters and off in the summer? Do you remember how that worked? Vic: I think the staff greatly diminished during the summer. In the Agronomy department there was a certain kind of rotation. One or two professors would teach summer school, and then the next year they would swap some. It would be kind of spread around a little bit because folks enjoyed that extra renumeration they would get. Marion: And too, there were 2 six week sessions in summer school, you know, and they could shift around, somebody take it. Moderator: So, if they didn't work in the summer, were they not on salary? Vic and Marion: No. Moderator: So do you know what they did? Were they able to save enough that they didn't have to worry about that? Did they have to seek other employment? Vic: Apparently, knowing what the situation was going to be, they planned for it. Now, as I recall, of course not being an actual staff member, I don't think they had a plan like I think they have now, that people can be paid over twelve months even though they only work nine. Dick: They got a paycheck every month. Moderator: So, it was okay then? Vic: Yeah, that kind of helped to arrange for budgets. I don't think that was involved with graduate teaching assistants. Moderator: Now, I know this is before your time, but maybe you can answer it anyway. Was there a salary change around 1933 when the depression hit? Vic: I heard some of our people talk about a percentage cut across the board for state employees somewhere during that time. Dick: Yes, I remember Mr. Mcquillen telling me that in the depression Mr. J.B. Thomas was the president of the Association, and he was the president of Texas Utilities Service in Ft. Worth. He talked to McQuillen and told him, he was going to feel the depression. You better get everything buttoned down just as tight as you can. You might think about just taking 10% reduction in salary for everybody across the board. But that was just in the association. I think the university did about the same thing. Moderator: So it was accepted and necessary? Dick: It was accepted and necessary. Everybody did it and survived. Moderator: The next question on here is what was the discounted check? And you mentioned discounted something, but I didn't quite understand. Vic: See, the state couldn't go into debt. The next legislature would appropriate money to cover the warrants. But banks or other holders had to recruit util then for reembursement. Dick: It was a promise to pay at some future date. Moderator: And so the bank accepted them? Vic: Well, they would tend to discount it. They would accept those warrants, but they would discount them. Dick: In other words, if your warrant was a 100 dollars, they would offer you 90 dollars for it. or even 75. They discounted 25 %. Vic: Because they had to turn in the paper until the nest legislature provided the funds. Dick: Teachers warrants, public school teachers, got paid in warrants, I think, part of the time during the depression. Moderator: That was during the depression? Vic: But somehow, somebody, bank or agence helped out. I believe because as I recall, our warrants were cashed at full value. Moderator: And you came in '39, and that was still in effect then? And the warrants were still issued at that time? I wonder when that ended? So you know? Dick: It ended with the war, about '40 or '41. Moderator: Another question on here is how many family cars were on campus when you were on campus? Dick: Very few. Moderator: So parking was not a problem? Dick: It was against Corps. regulations to have a car. Moderator: Oh, so when you were a student you could not own a car? Dick: No, I brought a car down my senior year. Things began to loosen up in '41, '42. But in '38, '39, '40 you saw very few cars around this campus. They ran buses from here to Bryan back then. Dorthy: I got rides from other people who worked, and there were no problems with parking. I can remember too everything was so honest around here. You could park your car and leave your keys in the car. Moderator: Wish it was still like that now. Dick: You could leave your house on the weekends and never think of locking the door. Vic: Leave your house on a 2 week vacation, and never lock your door. Dick: It's hard to think about that now. Moderator: It's wonderful to think that it was like that. What about football games, and special events? Was there a parking problem then? Were there lots of cars? Marion: We walked. Vic: There were a lot of cars, but it still wasn't that much of a problem. All members of the staff and their families went to all the games. Moderator: Were there lots of out of town people? Dick: Oh yes. They had special trains coming up here. Moderator: What type of private businesses were on campus or in the Northgate area? Dick: Well, on campus was George's Confectionery. It was located in what we called the new area, the 12 dormitories on the terrace and the post office took place. George McCallum got a concession from the university to put a little eating place on that comer. And the entire team was in charge of the post office there. Then there was the Aggieland Inn which was located just west of the side entrance of Sbisa Hall. It was hotel and coffee shop and a good little restaurant. It had 4 floors, and no elevator and about 32 guest rooms with ceiling fans and no air conditioning. That was where the bus came. That was the bus depot. The bus always came to the Aggielans Inn. And then Luke Patronella, Elsie's husband, had a grocery store. Marion: Luke and Charlie. Dick: Luke and Charlie's. Marion: And then there was the Aggieland Grocery over where the palm trees are. Was that just on the other side of Sbisa, Aggieland Grocery? Moderator: Was Drugstore here? Dick: Drugstore was here. And then at Northgate, Dr. Lipscomb's was the drugstore. And then over on the other corner, Bill Sparks put a drugstore there where the photo shop is. And then there was Pop Ivy's Barber Shop. And then on down where the university bookstore is, Mr. Alister Walker had a store, more or less a uniform store. And then Mr. Hickman had a pawn shop. We called it Hickman's Hock Shop. That was in that temporary, old, green building that Ted Gamer had a bicycle and sport shop. That's where Mr. Hickman's pawn shop was. And then at the back Mr. Lipscomb's drugstore was some of the oldest businesses in this county. One of them was Zubbick's. Mr. Zubbick was a Czech tailor and he made uniforms. And across the street was Menibal & Horning's, they were also tailor, they made uniforms. And besides Manibal & Horning's was Hollick's Boot Shop. And then on the other corner was Mr. Joe Sosolick's photography studio. He was a photographer and he took most of the pictures that were taken on campus, were taken by Mr. Sosolick. And then on down the street the campus theater was built in the mid 30's. That was the only theater we had in town except for campus, Sydney Hall Sydney Hall was located where the Chapel is now. Moderator: What about Vet Village and Hooberville? Dick: Vet Village? We called it College View. Dick: Right at the end of the war, the university bought a lot of barracks from Victoria Air bases and moved them over here and made 8 apartment buildings out of them. Moderator: Well Dick, what was that, like say where the test garden, you remember there wee some, kind of, and across from the old PMA building. Dick: Those were some of the barracks also that they moved and made classrooms out of Moderator: I guess we had a boom after the war? Dick: Right after the war the veterans came back. And there was enrollment boom and they used temporary barracks for bachelors. Dick: Hooverville, I don't know what that is? Moderator: Well its got Vets Village and Hooverville, '46 and '47, so it must be after the war. Dick: That was called College View and all the veterans moved by then who were married. The project houses were converted into full apartments, and they were the best bargain in town. They were over here onthe Southside. They were nice apartments. Vic: Some of those, maybe not many of those barracks, moved on the campus, and they were classrooms? Dick: Yes. Vic: I remember taking a course in business law after I got back from the service. Dick: The business department had some classes there. Moderator: What about bachelor halls for single faculty members? Marion: They lived in the YMCA, didn't they? Dick: They lived in the YMCA, up on the top floor. But the old bachelors hall was located back of the old Aggieland Inn. They had a bachelors hall where the single professors lived, and Mr. Cofer was one of them. He not only lived in Bachelor's Hall. Moderator: Ok, so we're getting on to WWII and it's listed the question again, we talked about, we said that there was an increased enrollment after WWII because the veterans came back. What about faculty and staff? Was there a crunch to get faculty? Was there a shortage? Do you remember? Vic: Well, I don't know too much about it. Initially, so many of the students left to go into the service that some fo the faculty had to leave, too. Or did leave. Chapman was one of those. I don't know whether there there was any crunch for faculty. I came in not in the faculty. I came to the Agricultural Experiment Station Division of Agronomy. Moderator: I read this question wrong. It says how did WWII affect recruitment and faculty. So you just said a lot of faculty was drafted. So I assume... Dick: Well, there was a lot of negative effect after the WWII for A &M. In other words, we had a large number of veterans that came back, but it didn't take them very long to get out of here. There were serious students, and they made good grades, and they passed their work, and they graduated early. But then when they started leaving, enrollment dragged down to dangerously low numbers. Back in 1952 and 1953 we had 5300 students. And it wasn't a question of recruiting faculty; we didn't need faculty. We needed students. You see, WWII made such an impact on people that military school back in 1952 and `53 was a very negative thing in the minds of young men in this state. And the Corps was the last thing in the world that a young high school graduate wanted in 1952 and 1953. It was compulsory in those days. So A &M was having its troubles. Moderator: What is ASTP? Dick: That was a military term. We had kids come in here during WWII on the ASTP program. I can't tell you what ASTP stands for but it had something to do with the military. Moderator: Tell us about Franklin Roosevelt's trip to campus. Dick: It was in 1937. They had a parade. I've seen many pictures. Mr. Roosevelt was in open car and went around Kyle Field. All the way around the track. But I can't tell you anything about it. I wasn't here. Moderator: And I think you mentioned this Mary. Explain how the campus got ice from the power plant. Dick: We got milk from the dairy. We got eggs. Marion: Yeah milk from the dairy was delivered. I don't know if ice was delivered or you just had to go get it. I suppose it must have been delivered at one time because people had ice boxes. Moderator: How was mail delivery handled? Personal or business? Marion: We had a mailbox. Go get it. Moderator: On campus? Marion: Well this little post office wher he is talking about George's Barber Shop, that's where our mailbox was. Dorothy: We had our mailbox at the Northgate post office. I can't remember the hours. Vic: And that mailbox down at Northgate came in a little later. Dorothy: Well, it was here when I got here. Marion: And you came what year? Dorothy: 1944. Marion: We had already gone. It wasn't there when we were there. Moderator: What about laundry service? Marion: Oh yes, I guess people put their laundry out and it was picked up and I guess done over at the college. Moderator: Do you know anything about the cost? That was not a free service, I assume? Marion: No. But I do know that even after the war, we'd send our table cloths to them from the church, you know; back then we'd always use linen table cloths. And we'd just send them back over there to be laundred. That was very common. Moderator: And you could afford to do that? Marion: Oh yes. Moderator: What about social clubs? I think we talked just a little bit about them. Dorothy: Yes, and I didn't mention the Extension Service Club. It's one of the oldest clubs that has existed. An I can't remember the date but we just had a 75th anniversary. This was for staffmembers' wives and ultimately women staff members. And it's still there; they're very active today. Dick: College Station Kiwanis Club was the only service club in College Station in the early days. They met in Sbisa Hall. I think lunch was $.35. That was around 1948. Moderator: I assume there were some rich clubs. Explain the annual A &M employees campus parties at Sbisa and YMCA. Do any of you remember that? Dick: The President of the university had receptions at his home and that was a big event. Moderator: That sounds like fun. Vic: Well, it was, it was homey you know. Marion: We never did have any , you see being staff was different from being faculty. Dick: But I don't remember the party you are talking about. Moderator: Well, it may have been before you all came. Dick: It could have been, yeah. Marion: We just had our 75th anniversary thing for our church, and Mrs. Norman Anderson talked a great deal about the early days when they had many parties on campus, you know. Dick: Yes. Moderator: Were there any rules about husband's and wife's both working on campus? Dick: Oh yes. Moderator: Tell me about it. Dorothy: Well, see my husband but that's true, you couldn't have both working for a long time. And not only that if you stopped to have a family you didn't have any insurance. Moderator: It certainly hasn't changed. Marion: It has. Vic: I think a few exceptions that there were to that were specially approved by the board in each case; now there was one, Eddy Hooker, our chief clerk when we first came, his wife also worked on campus and was secretary. So those required special exceptions from the board. Marion: Now what about Meta Brown and Sydney Brown in `72 they Dorothy: Do you have any questions about the board of directors home? Moderator: No, but tell us about it. Dorothy: Well, it was on campus, north of Sbisa Dick: Between the post office and Sbisa Hall, they called it Duncan Hall. Moderator: Now this was for who? Dorothy: The board of directors, who stayed there when they visited campus. Dick: Mrs. Duncan was the hostess. Marion: Then after she died, Mrs. Cashion became hostess for it. And then the moved in there. Dick: The board of directors had no hotels so they were provided a beautiful place for them. Each of those had nice, big bedrooms and it was just a beautiful place and the board of directors had its meeting room in the building up on the front on the 2nd floor there was a room about 4 times the size of this room. Big, lomg tables with chairs all around it, that was where they called their meetings. And now for food service, they walked right across that little street into the back door of Sbisa Hall and they had a private dining room. Dick: What about the president's house? Vic: Yeah, it was located you know where the fountain is there in the middle of the street when you come down that street, it was right to the west of there right across the street from the Chapel. The Chapel is on this comer and the president's is on the other. Dick: So, that is where they built the new president's house. Moderator: I know it is getting late and you all are getting tired, but I just have a couple more questions here. What about, it says, was there a switch board on campus or was there a telephone service on campus? ? ? ?Oh, my we had the worst telephone service. Right after the war, remember how much trouble we had with the telephone service. Southwestern States Telephone Company, in Brownwood, Texas. If it rained you didn't ahve a phone for a week. Dorothy: Not only that in my editorial office it had one telephone. Moderator: My goodness, that is hard to imagine isn't it? Dick: Telephone service was pretty bad. Now the universtiy had its own mail system. They had a mail service out of the old academic building, and all amil to the university had to go there. Then this central mail service would seminate it to all the departments of the university by carriage. We had a young man that I'd see every once in a while that would bring us mail to the former student's hall every momig about 9 o'clock. Moderator: Did you get it just once a day? Dick: Yes, once a day. Once a day we'd get mail service. But now I don't remember any intercommunications system; there were just telephones. I think every telephone had its own number came out of Brownwood. There wasn't any central communications system. Moderator: There was no central switch board where the operator plugged in? Dick: No, not that I know of. Moderator: OK. What type of news service did you all have? Did you all have the Battalion then? Dick: We had the Battalion. The Bryan Eagle. We had radios, and we had campus radio station. WTAW, it was owned by the university. Moderator: Oh it was! Dorothy: Yes, and it was in the System building on the 3rd floor. Moderator: I had no idea about that. Dick: Buddy Wynn's father, AJ Wynn, used to play and sing on it. Marion: I remember that, and Jimmy Copeland. Dick: Jimmy Copeland is selling cars now Jimmy Copeland used to play with that little band. Wynn's band. Moderator: Oh really. Moderator: Well, was he an Aggie too? Marion: No. Marion: He just played with the band, Jimmy Copeland. Dorothy: We had Farm and Home Hour that was broadcast locally, and it was live beginning at 6 in the morning. I shared a little apartment with a girl who worked and then did broadcasting, and she had a terrible time one morning. I don't know whether I should put this in or not. but you may not want to put this in your report, but she had a flat and it was raining ans hw jsut had a terrible time. She finally got there and sat down in front of the mike and she said, "What a hell of a way to begin a day." The next day this "correct" woman specialist walked up and said, "Well how in the hell are you ?" Dick: That went all over the state didn't it. Dorothy: Yeah, you know it did. Dick: Yes, some way that went live from College Station. Embarrassing moments. The first football game ever broadcast was broadcast from there. Moderator: Oh, it was? The first Aggie football game? Dick: The first Aggie football game that was ever broadcasted was broadcasted frokm WTAW. Dick: I'll tell you the two men who did it and EE McQuillen, and Dutch Dillingham called the game but it was all done be teletype. Do you remember Gordon McClennon from Dallas that used to do this by teletype? They'd teletype the action of the football game from Kyle Field to the radio station, and Dutch, who was an electrical enginner. McQuillen was the broadcaster. Moderator: Do you know what year that was? Dick: It was about 1922. Moderator: My goodness. Moderator: One question and then we're going to quit because I know ya'll are getting tired. Moderator: I am not tired. ? ?? I'm really tired. Moderator: What was the work apparel on campus for the different positions? Were women expected to dress ? Dorothy: We wore dresses or skirts Moderator: Even in the summer? Dick: During the fall and the winter we wore suits. During the summer, most of the summers until the last few years that I worked, we wore shirts and ties. But then in about `63 or `64, we quit and wore sports shirts Moderator: So women, no pant suits. Dorothy: Oh no, I have a release on that I kept. John Hutchison was the director of Extension for so long. He put out a directive finally they let down a little bit on pant suits but they were to have matching coats and pants and the coats were to be well below the hip. Moderator: So there was definitely a dress code. Dorothy: Yes, definitely. Dick: I remember Mr. Gilchrist put out a letter one time about coffee breaks and he said I know it's customary for everybody to have a cup of coffee every morning about 9 or 9:30. And I am approving a coffee break, but no longer than 15 minutes. You know at the Administration Building there was no coffee in the building. So Henderson Shuffier and I would get in the car and drive to Guy Black's drugstore over on Eastgate and we'd have a cup of coffee and we'd try and make it in 15 minutes. Moderator: You all have been so good to tell us these stories, and I would like just each of you to end with anything that you would like to tell us that I have left out so I'll start with Vic. Dick: I don't know of anything else. Hell, I've enjoyed this too. I've learned some things. Moderator: You know I couldn't ask all the questions that you had answers to. I thought maybe ther was something else. Well think about it. Marion: I can't really think of anything else either. Moderator: You came at a wonderful time, didn't you? Marion: Oh, yes. Vic: We had such a good time as a graduate student because it was such a friendly, nice place that that's where we wanted to come back to. So after about 5 years in the service. We sought a position here and there happened to be one opened under Dr. E.B. Reynolds, head of the Division of Agronomy. ? ?? He was here, I don't know when he came. ? ?? I know him. ? ?? Did you? ? ?? I worked for him ? ?? He lived right down near us. ? ?? He did wonderful work with wheat breeding. Vic: He probably kept this nation from having a famine because of wheat rust. Dorothy: I interviewed him for a story and took pictures. Some time after he died his daughter came back and I gave her the pictures. Vic: I remember he received an award from Reader's Digest. I remember reading an article in Reader's Digest. Dick: He should have gotten a Nobel Prize or something for what he did for this country, the world. Vic: Yes! He was one of the greats in breeding wheat. Moderator: You know I think we're all lucky to have been associated with A &M in one way or another. I feel very fortunate. Vic: They really had some greats here. Moderator: I mean people that we met. Marion: People we met, Catherine McAfee and I came as brides, lived in the same house and became very close friends over all these 59 years. Vic: Her husband died some what 25 -30 years ago. Dick: I've lived here since `47 and its just been a wonderful place to live and we're so fortunate to have a good school system, and we've all educated our kids here and they; love it, love coming back here. Moderator: Mine are all back here. Dick: Well I got one that never did leave. We've got a wonderful city, but I am so concerned about crime. This crime is just too vicious and its hurting our area. ? ?? It's hurting everyplace. ? ?? Hurting everyplace. We just got to do something about it. Vic: They keep talking about the number of gangs in this general area. Crime has increased so much that it does bother me. Moderator: I don't know what the answer is; I really don't. I think what could we do, but I guess it touches each person because we are afraid to leave our houses unlocked. I even lock my back door during the day. ? ?? We do too. ? ?? We do too. ? ?? Which I feel silly. ? ?? Both the back and the front. Its too bad. ? ?? And what about you? Dorothy: We have a lot of history in the archives; we have a lot out at the Riverside Campus in storage and history stories, and it there's anything you need, I can help you get some of it. Moderator: I'm sure I'll be calling you when we put this together because I think Dick: That kind of material ought to be assembled in one place like in the University Archives. They have a lot of good material. Marion: They do have a lot. Moderator: I really enjoyed this. Marion: I did too. It was really great. Moderator: I just feel so blessed having four people here that I already knew. You know Bill and I came in 1971, and I feel like we've been here along time. The enrollment at A &M was 14,000 nad its 43,000 now so we were here for that big spurt. And it really has changed in those years, the city has changed in those years. Dick: I was the mayor of College Station in 1970 through 1974, and we had 17,000 people in College Station. Moderator: It was wonderful. ? ?? We were onthe edge of town. We lived on the Guadalupe and we had horses and deer. Dick: You were on the extreme southern part of College Station? Moderator: Oh yes, absolutely. Moderator: Nothing else. Dick: Well I hope all this is maintained and I hope somebody someday will put all this together and write some books. Moderator: I think the city, or whoever got this started had a wonderful vision. You know to collect this information. Dorothy: You've been a good moderator. Moderator: Well I always feel unprepared to do this, but I always have more fun. Dick: If I find out what Hooverism is let me know. Do you think it has to do with Herbert Hoover? Moderator: It must have. Moderator: Hooverism and ASTP. Dick: ASTP was a military term and someone will know what it is. 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' .S,t,B>3 C_._S 7 Address / /3 Telephone � G Date of Birth — / / 7 d Place of Birth (7./Y/ INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed 1f In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. /9'98 I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. _Dor- HD / /a_n In erviewee print) Signature f'Interviewee Interiiewer (Plea e Signati Inter ewer Cm �o Place of Ihterview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET Print) Name k2 -t1 � O - s 7) Address D Telephone Date of Birth /4'1- a y- Place of Birth C ai -d o - TA/ 3 ,ke) INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress 7 -i5= Date DA 0 Initial Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project This is 9, £ v . Today is ,9,, — , /99 (moth) (day) (year) (Y ) I'm interviewing for the / time 0--4 4 Iry Q yid Pi(J c=1 Miss, Ms., Dr., Etc.) t r., Mrs., This interview is taking place in Room / ° 7 of The ds at 1300 George Bush Dr. College Station , Texas . This interview is sponsored by the Historic Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisory Committee of the City of College Station, Texas. It is part of the Memory Lane Oral History Project. Have each person introduce themselves so their voice is identifiable on the tape recorder. The purpose of The Historic Preservation Committee is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of the tape - recorded interview. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews become part of the archives of The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee to be used for whatever purposes may be determined. with : The City of College Station, Texas Memory Lanes Oral History Project INTERVIEW AGREEMENT I have read the above and voluntarily offer my portion of the interviews (Name of Interviewee) 1 . ,4 - ��l./�I 2. ,e.S,�,�er.L- 4 . 71:,(: - A4 -A ,,Le/2 , 5. Date 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 6. 12. In view of the scholarly value of this research material, I hereby assign rights, title, and interest pertaining to it to The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advis Committee. Interviewer/( Interviewer (Please Print)