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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSouth Side Panel Group 04Group 4 Bob Carroll Mary Bond Carroll Catherine McAfee Helen Pugh Penny Cooper South Side Memory Lane March 24, 1995 E7 Moderator: Transcriptionist: Interview Group: Mary Jane Hierch Sue Hosea. Bob Carroll Mary Bond Carroll Catherine McAfee Helen Pugh Penny Cooper This is Mary Jane Hierch. Today is March 24, 1995. I am interviewing the first time a group of citizens that will give their names. This interview is taking place in room 101 of the Conference Center at 1300 George Bush Drive, College Station, Texas. This interview is sponsored by the Historic Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisory Committee of the City of College Station, Texas. It is part of the Memory Lane Oral History Project. Let's have each person introduce themselves so that their voice is identifiable on the tape recorder so let's start with Mrs. Cooper. We are interviewing today Helen Pugh, Catherine MacAfee, Bob Carroll, Mary Bond Carroll, Penny Cooper. OK so let's start with Ms Cooper, if you would tell us mainly your connection with South Side. Mrs. Cooper- Well, I mainly just came to bring a paper I wrote out. My girls went to school over here. We moved here in 1 52. The girls went to Mrs. Hardeway's kindergarten and I told about that, told about Madeley Pharmacy and some of the things that happened over there. I wrote it all out so I wouldn't have to talk. Mary Jane - Well that sounds very interesting, Mary Bond Carroll? Mrs. Carroll - Well, actually I came on behalf of my husband because I was born and reared and lived in the south, south, south, part of College Station. Our home was located on what is now East Rock Prairie Road and Highway 6. At that time we were out in the country. Now it's kind of the hub of College Station, but I did go through all twelve grades of Consolidated School District. I began my first grade year on campus and then in mid year was when we moved over into the new building to which we later referred to as the chicken coops. I graduated from high school in 1 51 from this very building and we were the second class to graduate from this building. I have many memories of times in this area, because many of my friends lived in South Oak Wood. Also, we had an open campus at noon so nearly always we either trecked to Madeley's Pharmacy for lunch or to Mrs. Holik's little hamburger place which was just across Holik Drive over here. Times were very carefree then. You know we felt very comfortable roaming around in the area, in the evenings or any time of the weekend, other than that I don't have a whole lot that I can contribute off the top of my head. Mary Jane - I think we'd love more details Mr. Carroll. Bob - I'm Bob Carroll and I was born about 50 yards from Kyle Field in 1927. And I used to go over to Kyle Field and watch "bookie" Pugh practice, with John Kimbrough and Jim Thomineson and so forth. And my father worked for the Missouri Pacific Railroad there at Kyle Field and Tauber. And we owned 40 acres of land right there where the Am Track railroad is right there. I remember when we used to -there was nothing South Side. Just pasture, where Madeley's Pharmacy and South Side Pharmacy, there was nothing there. There were elderly people living there from Europe somewhere and their name was Kenna and there was a pond where Madeley's Pharmacy was. And we use to order our groceries from Luke and Charlies at the North Gate and they use to send them out. When South Side Grocery opened, we thought we were in high cotton because we didn't have to walk across back roads. I've got thousands of stories I could tell you but I am to stop right now and let someone else talk. Mary Jane - Thank you we'll get back to you. Catherine - Catherine MacAfee, came in 1940, lived on Montclair Street. Saw South Side open up, Madaleys open, all my children went to Consolidated Schools, last one graduated in 1 63. Mary Jane - And Mrs. Pugh? Helen - I'm Helen Pugh and I live right now at 601 Fairview. That was our third home since 1941. when we first married we came down here and lived on Holland. Rented a house from a professor and we moved to the first house that my husband ever built. He didn't even know what a 2 by 4 was I don't think, but he was influenced by Herschel Burgess. That house was on Fairview Street 307 and still standing and pretty good looking house, but we moved here permanently in 1947 and have lived here ever since and its a wonderful place to live. 6 Mary Jane - Did your husband have a lumber company? 2 Helen - Had A &P Lumber Company. Bob - And I just remember something as a matter of fact: Pugh /Burgess Lumber Company bought our property right after World War II. Helen - And I remember the Carroll Street Crossing the day it was closed in the middle of a rain storm with no notice from the city of College Station, or Southern Pacific Railroad Company. Bob - Oh I see. Helen - The only way we could get to the Marion Pugh Lumber Yard, and Varsity I apartments, and Drew Wood Company. Mary Jane - Was that the Railroad Crossing? Helen - The railroad crossing - Southern Pacific. Mary Jane - I see. Helen - It was called Carroll Street. Bob - Well Jersey Street which is now George Bush dead end into Wellborn. You couldn't get across you had to go around. Is that what your talking about? Helen - No, No, this was even later Bob - Oh was it later? Helen - Oh the only other crossing, the crossing was at George Bush or Jersey Street, the main crossing. This was just a crossing that went to the Burks home and Marion Pugh Lumber Company, Varsity I apartments, Drew Wood Company, and Earl Lynch Property. Bob - The Burks, it was my home my father had it built and the Burks lived in it. Helen - And that's why it was named Carroll Street, I guess. Bob - I know what your talking about. 3 Helen - Because could get to our Bob - Right. it was Carroll Street. But the only way we lumber yard was to cross left there. Mary Jane - Well, I didn't know that, that's interesting. Do you know why that street was name Montclair or Highland, where that came from? Bob - I don't. Mary Jane - Was there somebody named that? How many people were employed in your business? Helen - Right at first it was just Herschel Burgess and Marion and maybe 2 or 3 helpers but they built a side track from the Missouri Pacific, so they could, it wasn't a lumber yard to start with, it worked into a lumber yard because if you knew Herschel Burgess- anything to save some money- and so we didn't have to buy lumber from somebody in Bryan to build a house and so it turned into a lumber company and so we had a side track built for the Missouri Pacific to unload the lumber. Mary Jane - Oh, you mean the railroad. So they can bring lumber to you and not to Bryan. Helen - Yes and they would call and say you've got a carload of lumber that has to be emptied by Monday morning and he would call. I know John Crow, John David Crow was one of the boys that was playing football at that time and he and his friends would come down and unload that box car. Mary Jane - People who bought the lumber or you used it yourself to build houses. Helen - Yes. Mary Jane - I see and were people able to get credit or how did they manage to pay for those houses. Do you know? Helen - No I don't, then we usually individually built homes. Mary Jane - I see you all built them. Mostly at South Side. 4 Helen - Not necessarily, but we started out right here at South Side and it started out really before it was a lumber yard it started out with what they call precut homes and the first one that we built was at 307 Fidelity. We built Tailor Reidels home which he stills lives in but when we first built that home and the neighbors found out it was a precut home a prefab home they thought we were ruining the town. Mary Jane - Do you know about the year that was? Helen - We moved into the house when it was finished in February, 1947. Mary Jane - 1947- so that was right after the war. How did the second World War affect the business. Helen - Well it wasn't a business at that time. Mary Jane - Oh, I see. f Bob - Everything was dead here during World War II except ` for the service men that came here to train at A &M. It was very quiet- Christmas vacation seemed like a dead town, no one here. In fact the population of College Station at that time was 2,184. Mary Jane - That was during the second World War. Bob - Yea, like in the late 30 during the war. Helen - That was counting students? Bob - Madam? Helen - Was that counting the students? Bob - No, just the people t] didn't count the students. On December the 7th 1941, a that was Sunday and I spent Pharmacy was a hang out for machines you know. iat lived here. I'm assuming it It wasn't very many I tell you. date which will live in Emphamy, the day in Wellborn. Madeleys' South Side. They had pin ball A Mary Jane - Oh they did? Bob - So I came visiting my friend and walk into Madeley Pharmacy and it was the first time I found out about the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and that was the conversation everybody was talking about. Well how old would I be, about 27, about 12 or 13 and they said well, you will not have to go it will be over, well I went. Mary Jane - You went. Well, Mrs. McAfee? Mrs. McAfee - Madeleys' Pharmacy was kind of a gathering place for the community and people would go over in the evening. It was open until 9:00. You would just go in and have something to drink or ice cream and visit with all your neighbors you know. We came in 1 40 but we left in 1 42 because of the war. Ed went to the valley to do research work. Came back in 1 46 and lived out at A &M Annex because there wasn't any place to live in College Station and so we were out there. Mary Jane - Is that out Mrs. McAfee - It was Bryan Air Field. They put the freshmen out there and so we were out there until 1 49, and came back and moved down Fairview and then moved up to 304 Fairview where I am now. Mary Jane - Do you still live there? Mrs. McAfee - Still live there. Mary Jane - Do you remember how the people celebrated the holidays special times, the 4th of July, Christmas? Mrs. McAfee - Oh yes. 4th of July was when we went to the football field, we took a picnic, fireworks - Raymond Rodgers was in charge of fireworks. Mary Jane - Kyle Field? Mrs. McAfee - No, it was A &M Consolidated Football field. It took care of them then. When it first started if your talking about that. C Mary Jane - Yes the early. Mrs. McAfee - Oh yes that was big time. Mary Jane - You remember that? Mrs. McAfee - See I've seen lots of changes, gravel streets, dirt streets, streets that are asphalt I've seen that, curbs and sidewalks. Helen - I don't mean to be bragging or anything, but I was the one that started the street situation and I remember Gib Gilchrist, what was he? Mrs. McAfee - He could have been president. Helen - Anyway, he was really upset about it because I thought we should have some drainage and some curbing gutters and what not and he said no, we wanted to leave College Station just a little country town. Mary Jane - Oh really? Helen - We've got to either grow or decay. Mary Jane - This was Gib Gilchrist. Helen - Gib Gilchrist was really opposing to my efforts to get some streets in College Station. Mrs. McAfee - He could have been retired at that time because that was when he was living up on the, I call it the hill up there, he could have been retired at that time maybe. Mary Jane - Do you have some more Mrs. Carroll? Do you remember any special social events or things that people did to get together with each other? Mrs. Carroll - No, I remember when I was in high school, that was the year that the MSC Memorial Student Center opened on campus and so for about 2 years. In fact I was a junior the year that that happened so all of our football banquets and junior and senior proms occurred at the �. Memorial Student Center then, and of course it now has 7 changed appearances at the time they had what they called the terrace, the Star Light Terrace which was off of the main dining room but that since has been taken in to part of the main building. I can't remember specific things, maybe as we progress something will come to mind. Mary Jane - OK Mrs. McAfee - Well, I remember and it would have been the early 1 50's and Mr. Ray Oden was here the Little League all used to be in Bryan, but would organize in College Station. And Mr. Oden was the agent for College Station, and my husband and Hank Mills helped build the Little League Park down there and to get it all sodded and he would get up one night and go down there and water and Mr. Mills would go another night so that they could get the grass growing for the Little Leaguers to have there tournaments. Mary Jane - That is interesting. I didn't know that. Mrs. McAfee - If I had known I were going to say this I could have written things down. Helen - But that turned into the Wayne Smith /Park as it is today. Mrs. McAfee - Yes. Bob - And you mean Mr. Oden who ran South Side Food Market? Mrs. McAfee - Oh yes, Ray Oden and you know and Ed helped and some of the mothers didn't want to give up the birth certificates, but the kids couldn't play in the tournament they had. It was quite a thing to get the thing going there. Mary Jane - Do you know where they got their equipment like bats and balls and so on? Helen - Probably Ed Gardners student coop. Mrs. McAfee - Well, it probably was donated somewhere. I don't think there was money set aside from the city unless the city probably had some of the work there. I know some of the labor was donated. Mary Jane - That may have been the beginning of the College Station Recreation Council. Mrs. McAfee - It could have been I don't really know. Mary Jane - Let's go back to you Mrs. Cooper. You said you wrote some things down? Mrs. Cooper - Well, most of mine was about school and about Mrs. Hardeway. She had Trudie's Kiddie Kollege on Highland Street. I wrote down the number of the street. Mary Jane - What year was that do you remember? Mrs. Cooper - Well, we came in 1 52. Joy had already started school in Kentucky. We came to Bryan Air Force Base. They moved us to Montgomery, Alabama. Joy had already started school in Kentucky and had a month of school in Montgomery with different set of books. When she came here, they were teaching phonics and they were reading newspapers and everything in the schools and she was completely lost, but Mrs. Louise Coke, was her teacher and she took her under her wing and really brought her up to the rest of them and I have always appreciated her. Mrs. McAfee - I don't remember the year but your husband, I believe you were on the train too, but they took all the school children, lst grade through 8th grade to the circus in Houston. Mr. Madely would have the date of the trip to the circus. Mrs. Cooper - I went. Mrs. McAfee - I was on that trip. I have a clipping of the newspaper thing, but I couldn't find it this morning and it shows us getting off the train. Mrs. Cooper - Yes, I remember that. Mrs. McAfee - So I want to get it fixed so it can be seen. Dr. Cooper was on, going down did pretty good but coming back those kids had cotton candy. On the way down saw a ballet go throug� one car. Do you remember that? C Mrs. Cooper - No Mrs. McAfee - A bullet was shot at the train and it went through the windows. I bet you didn't know that. We stopped in Hempstead. The FBI people were on and checking it out. Well, I think it turned out they think it was that time of year and it was just a straight hole. So it didn't amount to anythin�. Mrs. Carroll - I remember the Community Easter Egg Hunts that we use to have there? Bob - Luke Patranella Mrs. Carroll - Yea I think Luke Patranella sponsored them and provided all the eggs and they were right there behind what is now the presidents home on campus in that hole. Wasn't that where it was? Bob - Right where they have the skit thing. Mrs. Carroll - Well yea, it use to be where they lived. Bob - Close remember behind there Mary Jane - Who went to that? Mrs. Carroll - Well, I guess anybody who wanted to- all the school children. Bob - The school, consolidated school Helen - Well see that was when it wasn't integrated and I remember the year that I was in charge of the Easter Egg Hunt. Well, we invited everybody and that created a little problem. Mary Jane - Did it really? Helen - It really did. Mrs. Carroll - Tat was over our head. C , Bob - That was after us. 10 Mary Jane - So what happened? Helen - We went ahead and had it and the children came and they had a good time. Mrs. Carroll - I don't know when that discontinued or when they quit doing that. Helen - There was a lot of objection to those colored children coming. Mary Jane - Another question that you might think about is how did big events at A &M effect life at that time? Mrs. McAfee - Big events? Mary Jane - Like football games. Bob - What big events are you referring too? Mary Jane - Well anything like football games or their weekends when they'd have a ball at A &M, dance or whatever. Bob - I think the big events like the dances effected the high school girls more than the boys because the students would invite some of the girls to go to dances and so forth. Mrs. Carroll - Well I was at that time they would bring a train load of girls down form TSAW. I mean those were the escorts for many of the Aggies but they would provide a train bringing girls down for that. That was kind of the sister school for A &M. Bob - Which reminds me, not only TSAW, but my sister graduated from Consolidated in about 1940, I think it was, and she went to Mary Hardin Baylor, for a year, and I remember many weekends she would bring a bunch of girls and they would stay at our house and they would go to Aggie dances and so forth. Mrs. Heirsch - Well girls who came in who didn't have a someone here would stay where? O 11 Mrs. Carroll - Would stay in homes of people of residents here in College Station they would provide rooms for them for the weekends. Mary Jane - Would they just do it? Mrs. Carroll - No they rented 'em. No they rented their rooms. Mary Jane - And did they have restaurants for them to eat in? Helen - Oh there was the what is the hotel on campus right across. Bob and Carroll - Aggieland Inn. Helen - But I was fortunate to when I was dating Marion to stay at the Munnerlyn Home. And at that time Lil Munnerlyn was writing this song and I'd come down and she'd say sit down and see what you think this sounds like. And she was writing the "Twelfth Man" and I was privileged to hear it. Mary Jane - Be in on the development. Helen - Be in on it and it became my sons lullabye. Bob - And she also wrote the Consolidated fight song. Helen - Sure she did. Bob - I heard it before because her daughter Mary was a special friend of mine. Helen - But I stayed in their home everytime I came and that was. Bob - They were tremendous people. Mrs. McAfee - Well at A&M in the spring of the year they had what was known as the Cotton Pageant and the Cotton Queen because my husband worked at that so that's how I knew about that but Mr. Mogford, Joe Mogford was the one that got that started and originally they would have this and earn money and they would take four boys across other parts of world to 12 see the cotton and study the cotton and then the court was all made up just of TWU students girls from TWU. Mary Jane - Would they be girl friends of Aggies or. Mrs. McAfee - They would be no anybody I guess. No I tell you how they were sponsored by different people different clubs. Mrs. Carroll - And locally different organizations and I know I represented the high school my senior year and that was a big event a big thrill but different organizations would elect or select representatives for their organization. Mrs. McAfee - Girls dresses were so full and big. Mrs. Carroll - It was a beautiful event, it really was. And they would have a style show with it. And Sanger Harris and I've forgotten who came from Houston they would come and be the judge for those things. Mary Jane - Would most of the towns people come to it? The Cotton Pageant? Mrs. McAfee - Oh yes everybody came. Mrs. Carroll - Yea somebody you knew would be in it and it was in Guion Hall. Helen - Oh I'll never forget that building, it was a beautiful building. Mrs. Cooper - I know and the kids used to go to movies over there I've forgotten how much they cost, but they would let the kids fold popcorn boxes to be able to get in free. Mary Jane - Mrs. Cooper and they'd Mrs. McAfee circulars. 1 0 movies that Popcorn boxes? - And they'd sit in the back and fold the boxes De abl to see the show. - Sometimes the children would deliver They'd do that and they'd have circulars for the were coming for the month ahead. they'd deliver 13 those and get a free pass. Mr. Gordon, I guess it was Mr. Gordon. Mrs. Cooper - Mr. Puddy. Bob - In Guion Hall. Mrs. McAfee - Yes, he's in charge of those shows. Mary Jane - Did most of the children go? All - Oh yes, yes. Mary Jane - A good meeting place too? Bob - We use to sly into Guion Hall all the time and Mr. Hutton would catch us, but we'd keep on trying till we finally got in. Mrs. Carroll - Prior to that they had movies in the Assembly Hall. Bob - Oh yea long time ago. A long time ago you know where the chapel is now, they had what you'd call the Assembly Hall. Mr. Cashion at the YMCA ran it. They had movies there and every Sunday afternoon they had what they called the "free show" and everybody could go to the show free. Helen - That Mr. Cashion is the father of Red Cashion who is the national football referee now who were proud of. Bob - And Jim who was sitting right here and Jim played quarterback for A&M. Also I remember our house was the one that the Burks you said the Burks live in my father built that in about 1937. Prior to that you remember I told you I was born close to Kyle Field the depots but on Saturday nights I can remember lying in bed hearing the Aggies walking back from Ed Hrdlicka as drunk as they could be. Going back to their dorms and they'd be singing I'd rather be a Texas Aggie. I'm sure you're familiar with that song. Mrs. McAfee - I remember them going back, I lived on Montclair Street and it was gravel. And they'd kick up that gravel and they'd make all this noise. 14 Mary Jane - What time was this in the middle of the night? Mrs. McAfee - This would be in 140, 1 40 - 1 42 that I was there. Mary Jane - And they were out in the middle of the night? Mrs. McAfee - They were in the middle of the road. There wasn't anybody out but them. And they'd been down to Uncle Ed's. Bob - Yea, Uncle Ed's, they were drinking booze. Mary Jane - Where was Uncle Ed's, Uncle Hrdlicka? Mrs. McAfee - On Wellborn Road. Bob - In fact I saw Marilyn Hrdlicka, that was his daughter. Mary Jane - Go back to doctors in our area, with Dr. Cooper it was before ya'll came I'm sure. Mrs. Cooper - Somebody named Cotton somebody. Mary Jane - Dr. Cotton Holt. Mrs. Cooper - Yes. Mary Jane - And Dr. Andre bu drive in something now. But Mrs. Cooper - I think it was now. Bob - Close to Wellborn Road Helen - It was next to where Llt a clinic, what there's a they built that clinic. right where the bookstore is and George Bush. we built Varsity II Apartments. Mrs Cooper - Right. Helen - Real nice clinic. That was the time that we had to get polio shots and I remember taking my son up there who is now a doctor, but scared to death of shots and needles. And I would take him up there and say now this is going to work out all right, take him back home and come back again. 15 Bob - And Dr. Cathcart had a dental center there somewhere in South Side. Mary Jane - Where was his exact location? Mrs. McAfee - Upstairs. Mary Jane - It was upstairs. Mrs McAfee - Rothers bookstore now. Bob - And Mr. Gorisky had a barber shop. Mrs. Carroll - That's right. Bob - Raymond Gorisky is right here, his name is here that's his son. Mrs McAfee - Well Dr. Andre, his first office was up above Madeley's when he first came. L Bob - Is that right? Mrs Cooper - That was before he built the clinic. Mrs. McAfee - Yes before he went in with the other doctor. Bill - Well he sewed up my ear one time. I was right here at Consolidated, I was playing around with this other boy and fell and hit my ear on a desk, split it open and Paul Edge he was superintendent of schools way back there in the late 30's and he took me there and Dr. Andre sewed up my ear. I'm sure this is quite fascinating to all of ya'll. Mary Jane - He made an impression didn't he? Mrs. Carroll - A lasting one. Mrs. Cooper - Well when we moved here in 1952, I think College Station was about 7,000, I don't know what it was up to that time, I don't know whether it was a gradual growth or just what. I remember I thought it was so strange the two towns were about 22,000 and Bryan was about 15,000 and College Station was 7,000. ffst Mrs. Carroll - When I graduated from High School, the total enrollment in the high school from all four grades was probably between 150 and 200. My graduating class had 21 students and I guess A&M probably had a total enrollment of 4,000 to 6,000- it was not not very big at all. Helen - Well I remember 1947 the enrollment was about 3,000 and all the other schools were growing and A&M was just way down at the bottom and then Earl Rudder introduced the. . . Bob - Integrated women. Helen - No it was before that, well he started. Well after you graduate what's the. . . Mary Jane - Graduate School. Helen - Graduate School. He emphasized that and that started our growth and I give credit to Earl Rudder for that the schools and the churchs. Mary Jane That's the social life, that was centered around b school activities. Bob - There was no Texas Avenue in the 1 30's- the early 1 30's- and the only way to get to Navasota to get to Houston was Wellborn Road and when they built what is now called Texas Avenue we called that the new highway. And that was big time. Mary Jane - What sort of vehicle did you have to go on the new highway? Mrs. Carroll - Well, usually one family car. The children in the family did not have automobiles. Mrs. McAfee - We didn't have one either. Mrs. Carroll - If you got to use the car occasionally you picked up everybody you knew so that they could all see that you had the car. Bob - They certainly didn't have a parking problem like they �r do in the high school now. 17 Mary Jane - No parking problems. Mrs. Carroll - I can remember on weekends and holidays what is now east gate entrance would be just a mass of Aggies hitchhiking north or south which ever direction they might need to go. Something you would never ever see anymore. Mary Jane - You probably would never go to Bryan without taking an Aggie or two or three. Mrs. McAfee - There was a bus. Mary Jane - A bus, there was a street car first wasn't it? Mrs. McAfee - I wasn't here. Bob - There was a long time ago a trolley, two wheel trolley what's it called? Mrs. Carroll - Tunderville, But there was bus service which ran from College Station to Bryan. Bob - Cost you a nickel to ride from. If you rode a taxi for a dime that's too much. Mrs. Carroll - When I first married I worked at the first Baptist Church in Bryan and I caught a bus. We lived at the end of Montclair and Park Place and I caught a bus right there in that corner and go to Bryan and we'd go up College Avenue. Mary Jane - Did any of the others besides Mr. Pugh have any kind of business around? Mrs. Carroll - My father had a business out in the country. He had a little country service station and grocery store combination. Mrs. Cooper - Oh he did? where was that? Mrs. Carroll - It was right there on the corner of east Rock Prairie road and highway 6. At that time that was before it became multi -lane. Now the north bound lane of highway 6 �4w goes right over the top of where the house was. OVI Bob - of her business. i Mrs. Carroll - Right over my bedroom and when they widened the highway to the extent that it is now, whoever had purchased the house, mother had long since moved to Navasota after my father's death. Whoever had purchased the house sold it to someone when they moved it down to Dowing Road and it is now Little Aggieland preschool Center. And looks very much like it did when we lived in it. Mary Jane - And that was your original house? Mrs. Carroll - they had the station and the grocery store in the front part but a part of the same building were our living quarters behind it. And I moved there when I was about 2 1/2 years old maybe 3. Mary Jane - Lived there? Mrs. Carroll - I lived there until mother sold it after daddy died in 1 65. Mary Jane - Was that a family kind of a business did people did all people? Mrs. Carroll - Well, mother and daddy worked in it together. We kids didn't have time to be bothered, we were too busy. But we had some fond memories. Mrs. Cooper - There was nothing south of town on Texas Avenue. Mrs. Carroll - No there was not. Mrs. Cooper - Everything south of Jersey Street, George Bush Drive, was just a cow pasture. Mrs. Carroll - The Golden Rule Poultry Farm was located where, just north of Commerce National Bank. In fact I think the poultry farm may have been the spot where the bank building is now located, and that was about the only thing of any size between Jersey Street which is now George Bush 4L and where we lived, we lived way out. 19 Mrs. Cooper - What were the names of the people, was it Smith that had the rifle range? Mary Jane - Doug Smith. Mrs. Carroll - Morgan Smith. Mary Jane - Now where was that? Mrs Cooper - Around where Target is. In that vicinity. Mrs. Carroll - Where Fort Shiloh is now located used to be a dance hall and I know that was forbidden territory you did not go to that dance hall. Mary Jane - Who did go there I wonder? Mrs. Carroll - People as good as you and me. But I think it kind of had a reputation for a lot of drinking and that kind of thing. And that was just not a proper place for a young lady to go. Let me see. . . Mrs. Cooper - And then the Kapchinskis lived in. . . Mrs. Carroll - They lived in that, they lived on that hill where Target, Olive Garden and Outback and all of those are located. Mrs. Pugh - Gun Smith is further south on Highway 6 to the Kapchinskis. Mrs. Carroll - Wasn't he across the highway? But there just was not a whole lot, you know, once you left Jersey Street there just was not. . . Mary Jane - Where did people go shopping for clothes? Everyone - Bryan. Mrs. Carroll - A lot of people would travel to Houston then to go. . . Helen - But I stayed in Bryan, because they would wrap your Christmas packages free, to me that meant more than going to Houston. 20 Mrs. Cooper - We went to Joyces. Do you remember Joyces? We'd go there for the children's clothes. Bob - And the expression instead of going to Bryan usually was "going to town." Mrs. Cooper - Bryan was "town ". But the people in Bryan didn't want to come out here because they said it was too far. Mrs. Cooper - They refered to College Station as "College" Bob - Your talking about little league stars in College Station a while ago. Well in the 1 30's of course there was no recreation whats so ever except what we created and every summer Bryan would have several little recreations program out at Sue Haswell Park. We kids would either hitch hike, ride the bus, something to get out there to play soft ball. Some of the kids that went with me, Jim Cashion, L.E. Winder, B.J. Loyd, several of us used to go up there to play softball. They were very nice to us. We had leagues. Mary Jane - Did you have your own team or did you just disperse? Bob - Well, I'm trying to think whether we had a team. At one time we did. There was a kid by the name of Richard Calendar, I don't know whether any of ya'l1 remember him or not. He played football for A &M. He had a car and so if he was playing, he was a character he was really a funny guy. So he named our team the College Station Crows and so we competed in a little. That's when we were 12, 13, 14 and 15 you know in that age group. I look at these kids playing little league now with uniforms and everything and I say "Oh Lord if I'd of had that when I was growing up wouldn't that had been fun. But, we also you know there was the campus this might have been before ya'lls time. There was the campus and there was College Park. There was no college hills just the campus and College Park and there was a rivalry between the campus and the College park. And we'd have football teams playing each other. Now remember where I lived, I lived across the tracks, neither on the campus or College Park and it was hard for me to decide which team I was going to play on. Usually I played on the campus team. 21 Mary Jane - These are kids that lived on the campus. Bob - Right, we had fun, seemed like we created things to do. Mrs. Carroll - We created our own entertainment. We didn't have the means that children have today. Bob - Touch football games, the Aggies would be practicing and we'd usually have a touch football game right there, who is the king, what twelve man right in that area. We'd usually have a touch football game going right there while the Aggies were practicing. So as to say, I don't know what the girls did. What did ya'll do? Mrs. Carroll - I don't really remember. Mary Jane - How did the high school boys feel about. . . Mrs. Carroll - Let me tell you something. If a high school girl began dating an Aggie, the high school boys had no use for that girl, I mean they wouldn't ask her out. Even if it was not a serious relationship, it was just a for fun thing. Bob - They used to do it on the slide. Mrs. Carroll - The boys did not like it at all. They felt very threatened by the presence of the Aggies. Mrs. Cooper - Some of the parents wouldn't allow the high school girls to date the Aggies. Helen - My son was dating a girl named Candy in Bryan- they didn't like that at all. Mary Jane - Was there a rivalry between Bryan and us? Helen - Oh yes. Mrs. Carroll - There was a lot of rivalry between Bryan and College Station students not only dating. We both lived down there for many, many years. Mary Jane - Oh you did? 22 Bob - Right. Mrs. Carroll - In fact I think one of his sons was in the same class with one of my daughters. Mary Jane - OK. Mrs. Carroll - High school class. Mary Jane - Here are some of the questions that I'm asked which should be for businesses like Bob's Store. Like your business hours, how did you do your shopping for this store? What sold, what big things did people purchase and did they buy on credit? Where did you get your inventory? How did the goods get to you like the railroad coming in? Who purchased the goods? Did you go to market in Dallas? Describe a good work day, a bad work day? Where did you eat lunch? Would you like to tell us? Mrs. Carroll - Now some of those I could answer but now, many of them I was not really involved. Now mother and Daddy both ran the store. Daddy also had a farm over in the Brazos bottom so much of the time when he was over there my mother would operate the store. There houses were from early to late. You know they would open before we'd leave to go to school so I guess around 7 o'clock in the morning and often times he would not close 'till 7:30 or 8:00. They would both gasoline and food products for many years and then eventually discontinued the grocery products and then it was just strictly service. When they were in the grocery business their grocery Schmacher, grocery distributor in Bryan, which was right at the very end of Main Street. Mary Jane - Was it a warehouse? Mrs. Carroll - Yeah. I remember if Daddy would run out of a certain item, sometimes when we would be going to town will mother would go down in the car and pick it up. Mrs. Carroll - Their gasoline was delivered through the Sinclair Distributor in Bryan. Mr. Coffee was the wholesale candy distributor for the area would bring out. 1 . � Mary Jane - Was he from Bryan? 23 Mrs. Carroll - He lived on south College avenue here in Bryan. He did sell them credit and many many of his customer were black people that lived in the surrounding areas. You know way out in little areas. But they were some of his best credit customers. I mean they were always there the beginning of the month to pay their bill. And I remember my daddy adding up the bill sitting at a table and adding up the bill of who owed what and that kind of thing. Mary Jane - So did they call in their accountant? Mrs. Carroll - Pardon? Mary Jane - Did they call in their accountant? Mary Jane - That's interesting a family business. Mrs. Carroll - Gosh, they did that for many, many, many years. And in fact at the time Daddy died they were still operating the station. He died in 1 65, so it was at that time they terminated and I think someone else took it over on a lease basis, eventually. Helen - I'll tell you something interesting about what happened to our lumber yard, on an Easter Sunday afternoon, I can't remember the year but it caught on fire and they finally, they think it was from the Sunbeam that went through twice a day and the Burks seem to remember it went through and then they say the lumber yard started to burn. And, of course, we were in the city limits but we did not have city water, city sewer city fire hydrants over there are anything, so when the fire truck came they had to hook it up to like on a corner road. and run it across the railroad tracks. Helen - Well, that afternoon late there came the 6 o'clock Sunbeam and they had to disconnect the fire hose so the Sunbeam could go through and there was someone on the train who saw our lumber yard burning and by the time they got to Fort Worth. They called back to find out what happened. And so its why I sympathize with this fella the other day in the paper that he lived in the city limits but he had no facilities. But we got a fire hydrant over there after 24 that. But it was really scary because the whole thing was a complete loss. Bob - There were two railroad tracks, the Missouri Pacific and the Southern Pacific. When did they eliminate one of the tracks? I wasn't here then. Helen - The Missouri Pacific. That was, I can't remember whet year that was. But Marian made quick plan for his part of the railroad track. Bob - Well are you talking about the Southern Pacific or the Missouri Pacific that did that? Helen- Missouri. Bob - That's right yeah. Bob - That thing was so close that when the train came by our house shook. Helen - So with City of College couldn't get to they would make "the Marion Pug that quit claim it ended up and after the Station closed Carroll Street well you our lumber company, then they decided that a road there. And that's when it was named ft Drive." Bob - Carroll Street because what that was was just a pasture with cows and everything and there was holes in there. Not that cars drove through it, Did they fix it up? Helen - The city would come by ever so often with a grater and grate it. Bob - Yeah, I see. Helen - And I don't know, if something changed out at city hall but they got tired of doing that I guess and so in the middle of a rain storm one afternoon, between the Southern Pacific and the city, they closed that crossing and people could not get in and out and there was the other business, Drew Woods down there. They couldn't get to their work, we couldn't get to our business. r 25 Bob - Do you recall the little houses that were there, where the lumber company: I mean they were just one room things. 1 w In fact my father moved them off the campus and put them right there and rented them to people. Helen - I don't remember those. But we built that, that cement warehouse before we had the lumber yard on the pasture. And they stored everything in there from airplane to furniture to and we operated the lumber yard out of that one end of it at that time. I don't know someone had an airplane and there was an airplane in there. It was a big building and they pour this building on the ground and it was thick slab cement and raised the sides up and. . . Mary Jane - But that building is not there now. Helen - No, what motel I mean hotel, the Sheraton planned to build a hotel, it was after Marion died that we sold the property. Mrs. McAfee - Well, another thing that you were talking about recreation in the summer, the college set up things like tennis, swimming and they let the children in the community come and take part in all of those activities. My children all learned to swim up on campus. Mary Jane - Do you know who taught them? Mrs. McAfee - Mr. Adamson probably, Art Adamson Mrs. Carroll - The best teacher. Bob - He was good. Mrs. McAfee - The College Station children swam very well. So really they had things to do, there were activities all summer. Mrs. Carroll - I don't really recall being bored you know, we were active and involved. Helen - Did your children ever go down to the milk barn, somewhere and shoot? � Bob - The pond. 26 Helen - No, no, this was big building and they'd go down and shoot dove, or quail, I don't know what was in there. But Sunday afternoon they'd go down there and take their BB guns. Mrs. McAfee - Was this on campus? Helen - It was across the rail road track. Bob - Where was that? It was enclosure. Helen - Yes. Bob - Well I remember a big hill that they had out there on the west side where they would practice shooting. Helen - Well this was a big barn. Bob - I don't remember that. Helen - The railroad station and then the barn was on the other side of it. Bob - I remember working for Madeley's Pharmacy, I was a soda jerk. Mary Jane - What was that like? Bob - I made fifteen cents an hour, but the catch to that was I loved ice cream. When it came pay time I used to have to pay Mr. Madeley rather than him paying me. Mary Jane - About when was this? Bob - When was this? Mary Jane - Before the second World War or after? Bob - It was about the first, it was right during the World War. The second one, not the first one. I remember he had a pin ball machine in there and we use to cheat it all the time. We'd could stick a wire underneath that thing and get free games on it. And so we'd play it. I can remember one � time we were playing, you know, it and he was looking down, 27 we cheated the machine, we were playing all day he came an unplug it, so we couldn't play it. Mrs. Cooper - I remember the kids, Joy and Debbie, would go over there and they would get cherry phosphates for a nickel, or vanilla. And Joy said they made the best chili she had ever eaten. She'd never eaten chili that tasted any better. But she said that some of the kids, boys probably, were so mean that they would turn a glass upside down, full of water. I don't know how they would do it and leave it on the table. So whoever cleaned up, there was no way to get it up without spilling water everywhere. Mrs. Carroll - But you know that was about the extent of vandalism. We categorized it as the. . . Helen - We never locked our car , houses, but talking about Madaly Pharmacy, I remember when Bear Bryant was here, he met my husband, they met every afternoon in one of those booths and I don't know what went on but anyway, that was there meeting place. Mrs. Carroll - When did he go out of business? Does anybody know? Mrs. McAfee - I can't remember either. Mrs. Carroll - Well we were gone for about what twenty -five years and. . . Bob - I graduated from A &M in 1 51 and left and didn't come back until about eighty two or three. Mrs. McAfee - Well he was there, Ed passed away in 1 73. Helen - Your Ed? Mrs. McAfee - Mr. Ed, yea, I was still going up there to get the medicine. so it must have been some time after that, but I don't remember what year. Mrs. Carroll - We'd always call him Dr. Madeley. Bob - I call him other things. 04:l Mary Jane - Because you worked for him? Bob - He and I didn't get along too well. Helen - But I know when we moved in 1 47 we had to wait a long time to get a telephone. Oh I don't know how long we waited before we got our telephone. Mrs. Cooper - Well, it was "Victor," remember? Mrs. Carroll - That was the prefix. Mrs. Cooper - And Bryan was "Taylor." Mrs. McAfee - Well, Pruitts was a real popular place too. Everybody had to go and get fabric. Because you couldn't get clothes, you'd go to Houston or go to Joyce's or. . . Mrs. Carroll - For a period of time he also operated a store over in Redmond Terrace because mother worked over there for him. I guess she was working there when Daddy died. But he had a shop there that had not only fabric but he had ready to wear and a beauty shop and that kind of thing but originally he had that shop there. Mrs. McAfee - Elizabeth Williams was so good, would pick out and say this goes with this. Mrs. Carroll - She could invision things so well. She was just very talented in that. Bob - I started Consolidated in 1933, I think it was on the campus and as I was telling you before that right across the tracks from Kyle Field and at the time where Olson Field is and that new intramural building is a corn field back there. They called it the other part of the Agricultural Farm and you could go through Kyle. The total athletic program was built around the football it was baseball field, your husband played baseball you know where he played baseball and what is the gym called, the old gym, Deware Field House. All of that was right there and we could cut through going to school we could cut through and get on Joe Route Boulevard and Joe Route Boulevard dead ended right at Consolidated School for the first seven years I went to school. 29 Helen - On the campus. Bob - Right. The high school was on campus right next to the old main building called Pfieffer hall. First Annual that they put out is this one right here. Mrs. McAfee - What year is that? Mrs. Carroll - 1 39. Mrs.McAfee - 1 39 I came in 1 39 but I lived in Bryan just barely in Bryan over on Main. Mrs. McAfee - Those people didn't want to be in Bryan, but all of a sudden they woke up one morning and they were in Bryan. Bob - Right, they moved the city limits, they kept coning closer and closer. Helen - City Council was asleep that day. Mary Jane - How did the citizens of College Station feel about that? Helen - They didn't like it. Bob - Or didn't know what to do about it I guess. I remember when villa Maria Drive was in College Station, I think. That area because there was Union Hill, Midway, and my sister lived there and they went to Consolidated and they should have had to go to Bryan. Mary Jane - I know we're all too young to remember the depression. I wasn't here, but things had begun to pick up. Mrs. McAfee - Well I was other places at the time of the depression. I wasn't here but things had begun to pick up. I remember the depression right. Helen - I remember the depression. My father was a banker in Fort Worth but my family lived so frugally that I didn't realize the difference. 30 Mrs. McAfee - I don't think most of us did. Helen - Because we just lived like we were in the depression all the time. Mrs. Cooper - Everybody was in the same boat. You just didn't think about it. Mrs. McAfee - Well, that was the way it was because you didn't feel bad. Bob - I can remember hobo's coming down the railroad track and they would come to our back door. My mother would give them a biscuit, something like that. Mrs. Carroll - We got a lot of that our on the highway. Transients walking through and they'd come knocking on the door and we'd give them something. Mrs. McAfee - But you weren't afraid of them? All - Not really. Mrs. Carroll - If anyone came during the middle of the night we had very stern instructions from our parents not to respond in any way and Daddy would not answer the door unless it was someone that called him by name and then he would respond. But other than that you know in the day light no body was concerned. Mrs. Carroll - Even out that far from town. When we would leave we never locked the doors. Helen - You know where the Texaco Station is now on George Bush and Montclair. Well there use to be two houses, separate little houses cute little houses that Mr. Lauderstein owned and my husband had a heart attack in 1 70. Oh I can't remember what time it was but anyway he could not relax and he had to continue thinking about what he wanted to do and Mr. Lauderstein came to see him. And they made a deal where he could buy those two houses from Mr. Lauderstein. So we owned those until we sold them to the Texaco Company. But there were a lot of students who lived 31 in those houses. right across the street from what is Rothers now. Oh the project houses. Mrs. McAfee - Project house, yea, they were across from South Side. Helen - And the 1 39 ball club; they were class of 1 37 they were freshmen then, they lived in project house together as freshman football team. Bob - Well Daniel Russell, Dan Russell was the one who thought that up and they would live in the project houses by counties. It had the Brazos Robinson County Project House and they had house parents that came in and do the cooking and they'd live frugally and go to A&M. But I always wondered obviously they had to have been in the corps. Did they not? Helen - I don't know. Bob - I never thought about that 'till the other day. They had to be in the Corps. Helen -They were called A Students. Bob - Yes, I guess your right. Mary Jane - Were they married in the Project houses? Bob - Madam, no, no, they were just regular students in that particular county that could live there very cheaply. I remember when they built those, I don't remember when they tore them down. Helen - I remember when they tore them down because I wanted to go get a picture of the one where the 1 39 team lived and before I could get up there and get a picture it was gone. Mary Jane - Was there any particular hardships? How did people get their laundry or their housework done? Mrs. McAfee - They either had a maid or they had a washing machine, one. Bob - We didn't have either. Well, we had maids, yea. 32 Mary Jane - Who were they? Bob - Say again? Mary Jane - Who were the maids? Mrs. McAfee - The colored people mostly. Bob - See the houses across there, colored people lived in them. Mary Jane - Where? Across? Bob - Well, I live, she's talking about the Burks house, my father built it about 1 37 and we live there and right across the tracks right across the Missouri Pacific tracks was five little houses. And African American people lived in them and paid a dollar a week rent a dollar more, they came and got water. And also inevitably my mother had one of them who would help her and I'm really showing what a country boy I am now. But there was no such thing as a washing machine. I can remember my mother there was a big black pot, know what I am talking about? and had clothes in them and a rub board and so that's the way she washed her clothes. I didn't appreciate it then, but I do now. Lord have mercy how she kept my clothes clean I don't know. You know I was always playing football and stuff like that but what was the question? Mary Jane - Hardships. Bob - But we didn't realize it was hardships. My father was very fortunate because he worked for the railroad all during the depression so he was very lucky. But I had seven siblings, in fact, I had one sib the oldest one, my father's name was J.H. and his name was J.H. Jr. he was working for A &M on the campus up on the water tower and he fell off and he got killed and my brother, George Carroll, was head of the electrical system, you know Frank Brown was head of the electrical, he took Frank Brown's place worked his way up. I'm the only one that got a college education. The rest of them just worked their way up. But I can remember some of my brothers having a hard time during the depression finding a job. I'm the youngest and they were older than me and I 33 can remember them going and milking cows on a dairy and some of that stuff there. I had one brother who worked for the Agricultural Farm. He made a $1.25 a day and he worked the let's see the six days a week he got Sunday off at a $1.25 per day. Mary Jane - This is working for A &M? Bob - For A &M, what they called the Agricultural Farm it was located right where Olson Field is. And you know they had mules and tractors and a black smith shop. Mr. Warren, Mr. Charlie Warren was the black smith. I remember going there many a times when I was a kid and I would pump that thing for him to do the horse shoes and so forth. Mary Jane - Anybody else? Mrs. Cooper - Mrs. Ruth Mogford taught art in her home and my girls, Joy, Debbie & Shelley, all took from her. Mary Jane - Did she teach music too? Mrs. Cooper - Not that I know of. Mary Jane - Who was, Mrs. Dollert was the music teacher? Mrs. Carroll - Yea, Bill Lancaster's mama taught piano too Mary Jane - Well now let me ask you if you will fill this out please so that we can get permission for anything that you said to be used. Not against you. 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Interviewee (Please print) r 8 natur o nterviewee Name Interv (Please Print) sig 2re of Intervi wer Place of Interview Address Telephone Date of Birth— ���r - -� 1� -_;2 7 Place of Birt -4 INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed List of photos, documents, maps, etc. In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. . - - --) I�te�iewee (P1 , se print) v _ Signature of Intervi wee < �.C— Name ` l ress Telephone Date of Birth y l_ Place of Birth Intervi wer (Please Print) Si a of Interview r Place of Interview INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed List of photos, documents, maps, etc. In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. j Interviewee' (Please print) $,gnature of int rviewe Name J Address Ife`lephone Date of Birth Place of Birt 2>E ° �, , , Interviewer (Please Print) Signat o Place of Interview INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed List of photos, documents, mans, etc In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial