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JOINT MEETING
OF THE
WOLF PEN CREEK TIF BOARD
and the
WOLF PEN CREEK OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
MINUTES
3:30PM, MONDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2009
CARTER CREEK WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT
2200 NORTH FOREST PARKWAY
COLLEGE STATION, TX 77842
STAFF PRESENT: Marco A. Cisneros, Director of Parks and Recreation; David Schmitz,
Assistant Director – Operations; Amanda Putz, WPC Oversight
Committee Secretary; Brandi Whittenton, WPC TIF Board Secretary;
Peter Lamont, Recreation Superintendent; Sheila Walker, Wolf Pen
Creek Supervisor; Donald Harmon, Engineer; Pete Vanecek, Senior
Parks Planner, Jeff Kersten, Chief Financial Officer, Mark Smith,
Director of Public Works & Special Projects, Glenn Brown, City
Manager; Lance Simms, Assistant Director of Planning and
Development Services; David Neeley, Assistant City Manager; Chuck
Gilman, Director of Capital Projects
COMMITTEE
PRESENT: Gary Erwin, Dennis Maloney, James Massey, Jody Ford, Larry Stewart,
Scott Shafer
BOARD
PRESENT: Sharon Colson, Marc Chaloupka, Kenny Mallard, Randall Pitcock,
Marsha Sanford
COMMITTEE
ABSENT: John Nichols
VISITORS: Richard P. Cate, AIA – MC/CM Architects
Jonathan Toavs, Studio Director, Aquatic Design Engineering
Paul Weathers, ASA, Clark Condon Associates Landscape Architecture
Andrew Konyha, Senior Associate, Clark Condon Associates Landscape
Architecture
Brett McCully, Blyle & Associates
1.Call to order: The meeting was called to order with a quorum present at 3:30 p.m.
2.Pardon and possible action concerning requests for absences of members: John
Nichols sent in a request for absence. Mark Chaloupka made a motion to approve the
absence request submitted, and Marsha Sanford seconded the motion. The vote was called.
All were in favor, and the motion passed unanimously.
3.Administering the Oath of Office and Swearing in of new and reappointed Board
members: New Board member, Randall Pitcock, was duly sworn in. Hearing no further
discussion, this item was closed.
4.Presentation, possible approval, and discussion on the March 3, 2009 minutes of
the Wolf Pen Creek TIF Board: Jody Ford made a motion to approve the minutes as
submitted, and Kenny Mallard seconded the motion. The vote was called. All were in favor,
and the motion passed unanimously.
5.Presentation, possible approval, and discussion on the October 29, 2009 Joint
meeting with the Wolf Pen Creek Oversight Committee minutes: Sharon Colson
made a motion to approve the minutes as submitted, and Larry Stewart seconded the
motion. The vote was called. All were in favor, and the motion passed unanimously.
6.Presentation, possible action, and discussion regarding the design of the Wolf Pen
Creek Water Feature and Festival Area Project and receive input on the project
from the Committee: Representatives from Clark Condon Associates, MC/CM Architects,
and Aquatic Design Engineering discussed design ideas and plans for the Wolf Pen Creek
Water Feature and Festival Area Project. Discussion followed.
Sharon Colson asked if the Clark Condon Associates staff was familiar with the Wolf Pen
Creek Master Plan. Paul Weathers said they were familiar with the Master Plan.
Paul Weathers explained the different views from all angles of the park, and would like to
have visual aids to get to the park. Some of the items to think about would be how many
parking spaces, daily use at the park and sight lines of the water feature.
They explained the different design schemes they composed. (There were 6 Design Options)
A brief description of each scheme:
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1 Scheme: Development Close to Dartmouth with 65 parking spaces (Impact on the Disc
Golf Course) this is a formal design and does not recognize the Art Council Center.
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2 Scheme: The Opposite of 1 Scheme, development closer to the WPC Plaza area (Not
too much impact on the Disc Golf Course).
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3 Scheme: Greenery heavy behind the Arts Council building with the WPC Water Feature
behind the trees, 90 parking spaces (minimal issues with the disc golf course) Multi – tiered
water feature in this scheme, Open Area is smaller in this scheme than other schemes.
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4 Scheme: The Water Feature is in the back corner closest to the WPC Amphitheatre
sitting grounds with greenery surrounding the entire festival area. The sound direction is
directed toward the houses.
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5 Scheme: The location of this water feature is in the corner of the area between Colgate
and the existing facilities. The trees would be planted more along Colgate with the sound
directing toward the amphitheater. There are 45 parking spaces available in this scheme.
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6 Scheme: More of an urban theme, utilizing the existing Arts Center parking lot, sound
direction toward the amphitheater.
On Schemes 1-3 and 5, 6 the sound is directed downhill and seen from Dartmouth. Scheme
4 sound is directed towards the house and not seen from Dartmouth.
Jonathan Toavs, Aquatic Studio Engineering, reported on the different types of water
features that can be incorporated into the park. He explained the following:
Classifications of Water Features
Interactive Type Water Feature (Wet Play, Playground):
This water feature can be sequenced and have choreographed animation, and can also light
up at night. It can serve as a playground during the day, while also showing brilliant lights
at night. This feature takes advantage of some of the topography of the land. It can have
water cascading down a wall, with jets on the walls at various heights and distances. It
serves as something fun. The nozzles can have a laminar type nozzle effect which means a
rope of water that is very interactive. The water can go in circles, and waves. The layout of
the design was Circular.
The Grid (Square Layout) can create a virtual maze with this type of feature, or could also
be described as a virtual hop scotch type layout.
Typical Architectural:
This type of water feature is modern in design, and is a simple, circular shape. Water
features can be incorporated into this design and art can augmented into this feature.
There is a possibility for much larger and taller volumes of water in this feature because
people in play are not designed for in this feature.
A classical type structured water feature is a multi-bowl, multi-tiered design. It can include
a variety of architectural elements (bowls, urns, water spurting down) with a vision that is a
majestic night time element. This feature can be a night time icon for the community.
Natural Water Feature:
This feature is more in line with the theme of this site. It is hidden within the wooden
portion of the site with a natural appearance. This feature can have a high point with
welling water lit at night. It also allows for a lower main catch pond with possible bridge
amenity and look points. This feature can also have picture points with a small overlook
area. The natural water feature gives a serene, natural feel, and takes advantage of the
topography.
Mr. Richard Cate explained the possible pavilion shapes, concepts, orientation, and roof
shapes.
Three different schemes were presented, and all of the pavilion sizes were about 2,500
square feet. He explained a roof structure that could collect rainwater for recycling to use in
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the water feature. He also explained the different type of pavilion layouts for functions such
as meetings, weddings, and parties.
Dennis Maloney explained that he would like a pavilion that you could set up with flexibility.
A place where you could have variety in the set-up. Also discussed was a storage facility for
chairs, tables, etc.
-Associates reported that storage design can be incorporated into the pavilions.
James Massey reported that in his opinion in some of the designs people would have to
know about the feature and know the access, because there is no visual perception from the
roads in some of the drawings.
Dennis Maloney explained that he wants at least double the 2,500 square footage for the
pavilion, because that is not enough room for a public gathering.
Marsha Sanford asked, “What about the size of the water feature?” She likes the interactive
water feature the best.
-Jonathan Taovs explained that he is working with about 3,500 square feet, but a lot of
the size could change due to other factors. (For ex. nozzle selection.) He can place
minimal, $10,000.00 nozzles in the very center or he could place a lot of $10 nozzles all
around the water feature.
Larry Stewart explained that he would like sun shelters due to the high temperatures that
we receive in the summer season.
Sharon Colson explained that the Water Feature is the most important element with the
Pavilion as being the least important element.
Dennis Maloney said that he envisioned the fountain to be in the middle of the site with
everything else circled around it. The fountain would serve as “The Centerpiece” for the
project.
Jody Ford said, “Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the lawn area being used adequately.”
Dennis Maloney explained that it will draw everyone into the park.
Scott Shafer is worried about embedding things into the middle of the park, due to people
not being able to play Frisbee, etc. So people do not trip over things etc. Would like to see
a more temporary solution for extension cords and such.
Marc Chaloupka – Schemes 1 and 4 were the two designs that were brought to them by
staff. Scheme 1 was the one that came back to them preference design, for Fire Safety we
would need a second entrance. The design of Scheme 4 came about to fix the Fire and
Safety issue. Mark Smith said that it did not have to be a fire lane but needs to have some
way for Fire to get into the area.
~ Scott Shafer left at 4:48PM. ~
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Sheila Walker spoke about different events held at the Wolf Pen Creek site. Sound travel is
the number one concern, and we can address the fire issue and have done so with the
current ampitheater.
~ Kenny Mallard left at 4:50PM. ~
Sheila Walker explained that the big issue is flexibility and use of designs. She explained
that traffic flow and the vendors are of major concern. The ability to accommodate them at
events is necessary. She said that several designs are good. Schemes 1, 3 and 5 are her
top choices. However, between all of the designs, Scheme 3 is her favorite design scheme.
She explained that the existing Master Plan favors Scheme 3, because she thought Option 3
captures everything.
Dennis Maloney feels that with Scheme 3 that we are cutting off the Arts Council and would
like to see connective with the Arts Building.
Sheila Walker explained that there is still a trail connection between the water feature and
the Arts Building, and maybe applying some type of Art Feature would help connect the two
better. Discussion followed.
Randall Pitcock and Gary Erwin reported that they like Scheme 3 of the drawings.
James Massey likes the smaller areas behind the Arts Council for event set ups to place
different smaller exhibits. He wants to keep as much green open space as possible, and
favors the trails behind the water feature.
Jody Ford says that Scheme 3 gives the centerpiece look to the water feature that Dennis
Maloney and others like.
Sharon Colson explained that she likes the interactive quality of the water feature, however
this water feature involves children, and she does not want to present a hazard to children
with the amenities and surrounding amenities. She also explained that she wants this
location to be vendor friendly. Would like what staff recommends be considered heavily for
the designing of this water feature and festival area.
James Massey likes the light feature incorporation in the night time hours for the water
feature, because that also creates a place that people would want to go to. This feature is
something that is more secluded for people to go and enjoy themselves. (For ex: read a
book, etc.)
Marc Chaloupka said that connectivity from the Festival Area site and the current bathrooms
is a must. The Amphitheater needs more trees. We have to look at what is going on in the
Amphitheater are as well to keep the whole park connected.
~ Randall Pitcock left at 5:05PM. ~
Marco A. Cisneros (Tony) explained that restrooms are a MUST at the pavilion that is being
designed, because it is much too long of a walk for people to walk back to the current
restroom facilities.
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James Massey suggested that Clark Condon go look at the pavilion at Veteran Parks and see
if they can do something like that. This will be a very large open area and does not want to
undersize the pavilion in any means.
Dennis Maloney suggested that all of the maintenance/equipment/chemical rooms be above
ground to help with a sound barrier and also help with maintenance issues.
-The Condon Associates staff agreed that they could design the rooms to be above
ground, and it would be more cost effective.
Peter Lamont explained that the current location of where the pavilion and the water feature
are located in Scheme 3 is where the crest is. That being said the Water Feature and
Festival Area Project is visible from just about any direction on the crest. He explained the
advantages of Scheme 3.
The advantages are that staff can work with:
Vendors,
Operations,
Sound Issues,
Multiple bands
Loading/Unloading Vendors
Discussion followed and it was decided to leave the Water Feature in the same place as
shown on the drawing.
Dennis Maloney asked that they try and squeeze a little more green space into Scheme 3.
It was also asked of the Clark Condon present some more interpretation of how actually big
the green space actually is in Scheme 3.
Marc Chaloupka explained that he would also like a presentation on the cost of maintenance
on the water feature.
Mr. Jonathan Toavs gave a quick note that the day and night time show of the water feature
runs off of the same system that includes the water and lighting.
Marsha Sanford reported that she would like more interpretation of the actual size of the
water feature at the next meeting.
The decision was made that Scheme 3 and an interactive water feature was everyone’s
choice. The firm will go back with the suggestions and comments and try to edit the
drawing to include those. They also explained that they will come back with more options of
larger square footage pavilions. The associates explained that they will come back in later
January with the new drawings.
Board, committee, and staff reported that they would like for the Condon Associates staff to
also review the Master Plan to help incorporate the current theme of Parks, Arts, and
Commerce.
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7.Presentation, possible action, and discussion regarding creating a project specific
website for the Wolf Pen Creek Water Feature and Festival Area Project: This item
will be addressed at the next meeting.
8.Presentation, possible action, and discussion on future agenda items: A Board Member
may inquire about a subject for which notice has not been given. A statement of
specific factual information or the recitation of existing policy may be given. Any
deliberation shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on an agenda for a
subsequent meeting:
Next Design Workshop Meeting ~ January 26, 2010, Carter Creek Waste
Water Treatment Plant, 1:30PM
9.Adjourn: The meeting adjourned at 5:30PM.
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