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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNorthgate Panel 8N (CITY OF COLLEGE STATION HIS ORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE AND • CONFERENCE CENTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE HISTORY PROJECT INTERVIEWEES: INTERVIEWER: NOTE TAKER: VIDEO OPERATOR: - I EMORY LANES - NORTHGATE" WEDNESDAY, JULY 27, 1994 9:30 A.M. Mrs. Winifred Ivy, Beatrice Ivy "Teeny" Anderson Wicker Smith, Mary Evelyn Greg Keith, College Station Historic Preservation Committee Pamela Einkauf, Senior Secretary, College Station Park & Recreation David Gerling, Special Facilities Superintendent, College Station Parks & Recreation Transcribed Verbatim Greg: My name is Greg, and I'm on the College Station Historic Preservation �ommittee, and this is just a very long term project. This is nothing that's going to happen next month or next year. It might be several years. one of the things we want to accomplish ith this is to put out some type of a really nice "coffee book" for something with a story about Northgate and the other Memory l anes in College Station. I don't know if it will be one book or several books. Another thing is that a lot of this information will go into the plans for Northgate. Certainly something is going to happen with Northgate, in the future. That's even 1 nger term, it may not be before the turn of the century before something happens with Northgate. So, any information that you give us could be very helpful towards either ing to do is one of those two projects. The first thing I'm go just read the names, and if you don't mind I'd like to get birthdates and ages and some information like that if that's o.k. It's Bea Ivy Smith, am I saying that right? Beatrice: Beatrice. Greg: Beatrice. O.K., so you go by Beatrice normally? Beatrice: Yes. Greg: O.k., and Beatrice you were born in what year? Beatrice: 1922. Greg: 1922 and that mjakes you? Beatrice: 72. Well, I just turned that. month. * Greg: All right. Is it Winifred' Winifred: Yes. Greg: O.k., and you I was 72 on the 24th of this Am I saying that right? said you were 98, is that right? Beatrice: Yes, she's 98 years old. Greg: That would be 1896. Is that right? Winifred: I didn't have a birthday until I was eight years old. wasn't any bir hday in 1900. Beatrice: There was no (February) 29th on the turn of the century. Greg: Is that like leap year, every four years? There Winifred: Yes. Every four years. Greg: My mother has he same birthday, I believe, because we used to kid her and sub ract one out of every four years - take her age and divide it b four. We used to kid her about that. Beatrice: She (Winifred) says she's only 24. Greg: And Teeny, do ypu go by that, does everyone call you Teeny? Teeny: Everybody callsime Teeny - not my official name. Greg: And your birthdate and age? Teeny: I was born in August, 1926. I'm still 67 for another week. Greg: Really, we have a wealth of information here as far as ages. I want to start out getting just basic information here, then we'll get in a conversation where we all just throw ideas about. But I want to just g© around and ask you all the same questions here, before we get i nto more of a conversation. Beatrice, your family - when did your first family move here? Was it your grandmother /grandfather, or you? Who was the first person to come? Beatrice: My mother and father were the family, and they came here in - 1920 or 1919? Winifred: 1919. Greg: 1919. From which place? Beatrice: Well, Dad was in the Marines, and he mustered out at Hingham, Massachusetts. Mother is from Wayworth, Massachusetts, and they married and came to Frost, Texas. After that they were encouraged to Oome to A &M by an extension service man who was an A &M graduate - Wayne Frederick. He said "Bob, come down. This is a fertile p ace for a barber shop. He went first to work at the YMCA - the shop that was downstairs in the basement of the YMCA. Greg: O.k. So they h d everything down there at the YMCA. They had a swimming pool and a barber shop? Beatrice. Yes, that was i ! Greg: A bowling alley? Teeny: I had forgotten about that. Greg: I always heard stories about that, but I've never been down there. I understand that it was like a very small MSC down there - that you had all those types of student services. Teeny: It was, and the ceiling was very low as I recall in the bowling alley. Beatrice: There was nothing else on campus. Dreg: That was it? Teeny: The "Y" was the center. Greg: O.k., so Beatrice your family came in 1919. Teeny when did your family come? Teeny: The family < Presbyterian the A &M Pres Mission Progr it, in fact t manse in a i completed so at the time, me in 1928. My father was called from the Burch in Taft after being there for two years, to rterian Church, which was still under the Home i of the church at that time. I have pictures of slide presentation (this morning) had one of the fferent location, but that manse was built and tat Mother and Dad, and I, the only child they had ,uld move into it. Treg: Was that the grey house that we saw in the slide show this morning? Teeny: Yes, the grey house. Now that house is in a different location, but when we moved into it, it was on South College and First Street right ac from the First Baptist wooden structure, and there was a corm patch and a cotton patch and everything else all around us. I have pictures of that to show. Unlike many ministers, Dad was able to stay until he retired in 1962. We also later bought - Dad bought - one of the homes from A &M campus. It's now on Timber Street. Greg: Did we get your father's name? Teeny: Norman Anderson. Greg: He was the minister of the First Presbyterian? Teeny: A &M Presbyterian. Greg: A &M Presbyterian, and that was located where at that time? Teeny: Well, we had no building structure. It's one reason why I'm as familiar with the "Y" as I am, because we met in the "Y" in its' early days - both upstairs and in the chapel. We also met in Guion Hall for' for what reason, I do not recall. We even met at the Campus Theater. I Beatrice: We all changed around. Teeny: Yes. Daddy tr during the war but money was so tight he still did some soli itation, but he was able to buy a chapel from Victoria Air B se and have it moved to the site on Church Street where the str cture is now. I have a picture of it without anything else', there but the military chapel. It has been remodeled and fellowship hall has been added, etc., but it's in its' present location since the 1940's. Greg: O.k., and it was a military chapel which was moved? Yes, and it still has the military chapel twelve beams in the Teeny: ceiling of it even though they have done some remodeling. The interior structure has not been changed that much. Greg: That's interesting. What is the current function of that building - is i{t still serving as a chapel for the Presbyterian Church? Teeny: It's the main sanctuary with offices in the back of it, and a fellowship hall, and Sunday School rooms. They have a day care center in the 'back and a nursery. You should come see it sometime, preferably Sunday morning at 11:00! I'm a child of my father I guess! Greg: Get a service Ond get some religion I guess! Which church did you attend Beat ice? Beatrice: A &M Methodist C urch. In fact I married the minister! Greg: That's super! Tow, the A &M Methodist Church that we know now in Northgate - that did not exist when you first started did it? Beatrice: I wish we had pictures. Mr. Fred Brison has written the history of the A &M Methodist Church. If you need some of those pictures you could find from that book. It was an old tabernacle, but the church is on the site of where the tabernacle was. i Greg: Do you remember the A &M Methodist Church being under construction and it being dedicated? Beatrice: Well, I had fi ished college, married and moved away. That was in the 1950's. 7 Greg: Then you moved back into College Station? Beatrice: My husband andlI retired ten years ago. Greg: To Bryan? 4;eatrice: Yes, and my mot her lives with us. Greg: o. k. Teeny, are you in College Station or Bryan? Teeny: I'm actually 1 1 ving in Bryan. My mother had her 90th birthday last month, and her health is very good, but she needed someone to live with her, so I moved back home two years ago and we found a home in Bryan "that did not have any stairs because she needs a walker now. Greg: Now I'd like far us to just get into a conversation, and if you remember something that's fine, and if you don't, that's fine too. The reason I'm excited about interviewing this group is that I remember one of you mentioning something about a trolley. Transportation 'is so important to the Northgate area. I don't know if any oflyou've heard that they are going to reconstruct the 1883 depot1hat used to be over close to where the bell tower is and maybe g t a locomotive there. So there are going to be a lot of exciting things going on there. Beatrice: That was the only way out of town in those days. Teeny: The only way in and out. Greg: So, you had th� railroad depot. I understand that the mail was over there then. You had, over at Northgate, the post office - which is on the campus side of University now - the newer post office. Is that right? Teeny: I'm not certair about the post office, you might want to research that a little bit and maybe Bea remembers more than I do, but prior to that current structure of the post office, I remember very well going to the post office box in the old administration building. j Beatrice: Yes. Teeny: That was what 4 been some other with the collet nice walk ever, I knew as the post office. Now, there may have place - maybe since my father had some privileges [e that was where he had his mailbox - but it was a , day to go get the mail, even as a little girl. Greg: Are we talking about the Systems Administration Building? Teeny: I suppose. We balled it the Old Main when I lived here after the New Main was built. Greg: Oh, o.k. - the academic. I wonder if that's the Academic or the Systems Building. The one with the white columns? Beatrice: It's the Academic Building. Teeny: The old one, With the rotunda and the trophy case. As you entered the building, the post office boxes were on the left hand side in the lef hallway. Greg: Do you remember going into the post office that's at Northgate now? Teeny: Oh yes, I've been in that post office. Winifred: Years ago - at one time - wasn't there a post office, just a station, in the "Y "? Teeny: I don't remembe that, Mrs. Ivy. Winifred: I don't remember good, it but it seems like it might have been just private offices. Teeny: There were off there. It could be that mail was distributed to offices fro a central location. Beatrice: This is a pict from the inside of the old barber shop to a building across the street from it, and it certainly is not the post office thai't's there. Teeny: When was the new post office constructed - the current structure? Greg: I think it was 1949 - but I'm saying that off the top of my head - 1949 or 1950 maybe. Teeny: No, I believe it was earlier than that. Greg: Was it earlier than that? Beatrice: Yes, I think so too. Teeny: I think so, begause I remember it before I left to live out of state for awhile. But just when it was built - I'd say it was built in the early 1940's anyway. Beatrice: Yes. Teeny: Because we moved - no, it was built in the late 1930's. You can find out off their plaque. -I came to the cam Beatrice: Was that when ithe Postmaster Farley us and they P dedicated that !building? Teeny: I believe it was. I'd forgotten about that. I don't remember that, but I re ember hearing of it. I Beatrice: Colonel Dunn h�d a little orchestra in the school and he asked a few of us to pray for the dinner in Sbisa Hall. Teeny: Colonel Dunn? Beatrice: Yes, Colonel Dunn. Teeny: I remember he tried to teach me to play a violin too, and that didn't work. piano, yes, but not the violin! Greg: Let me ask something else about the post office. The reason I'm asking is that we had heard that there had been a mural - a W.P.A. mural -+ in the post office there at Northgate that has since been covered up. Do you remember any mural over there at Northgate? Maybe it was tile mosaic or maybe it was just sort of a fresco, or any type of mural there that you remember? It could • just be a rumor, I don't know. Beatrice: No, I don't re ember it at all. Teeny: They did that toe of thing at that time. Where I lived in west Texas they had some - not mural - but they had some bas relief f igures on the wall and I think it was part of the CCC and WPA programs of theldepression. Greg: But you don't specifically remember one in Northgate? Teeny: I don't remember one there, no. Greg: O.k. We had heard that maybe there was one covered up, but we're not sure. ThaIt's one thing that we'd like to eventually find out. Teeny: I mentioned the A &M Presbyterian Church, that (showing pictures) was the chapel' in 1947 or 1948 when it was brought here with nothing else there. Here it is after the fellowship hall was built, and them pictures are available, of course, of it with the brick facade on it now. I have pictures here of the manse, because it shows the old wooden Baptist Church and shows Northgate. So th College Main stopped at Church Street and was mud gravel. You can look at these pictures and see which ones you want to us. i Beatrice: I think that was soon after the building was completed. Teeny: I think this would have been about 1930 - yes, 1930. You can see a car in the b6ckground and you can see those two buildings. My father liked chickens and stuff. Greg: This is a wonderful picture. Teeny: Here's one latter of the Church of Christ. Here's a better picture of the'IFirst Baptist Church. Mr. Wolf may be interested in that one. ut you see those brick structures? Between those brick structur s and the manse property, which was our driveway, there was still a cotton patch. Where Soslik's and all of that 4 is - there were still cotton patches there. It's hard to realize it now that all of the apartment housing is there. This is, I feel, an excellent picture of the YMCA with the megaphone and the circle there were they played to all four gates - north, south, east, west - military wise. Reveille, and Taps and all of that - every day. i Greg: This is on the quad now this same Teeny: The building is,still there but they removed the bugle stand. I have a picture here that can be used at some other time of Mrs. Thomas, for whom the park is named - Helen Thomas Perry's mother. She used to have a story hour. That was before the days of kindergartens or K -1, etc., was started, and once a week she read stories to a small group of children in her home. Some of the children I Can't identify, but there are several children of the community there, that I know are in that picture. Helen has not seen that p cture. I also have a picture of my father. Greg: I appreciate yo' bringing all these pictures. We definitely want to make some reproductions, and if you want to spend some time identifying them and verifying people in them, we would appreciate that too. Teeny: I got the name $ of some people by talking with Bill Lancaster today. I hope 'm not being disruptive with those pictures. Greg: No, there's no ( disruption at all. The pictures are wonderful. I don't know if wle've seen all your pictures Beatrice. This is a picture of the barber shop? Beatrice: That's a pictuz kids' hair succ he's cutting th liked to come t cone. Greg: Almost a bribe! Teeny: Daddy used to we'd stop by e of Dad, he was pretty well known for cutting essfully. That's D.D. Matthew's son whose hair ire. D.D. is an architect in Bryan. They always o Dad because with the haircut came an ice cream down there to Mr. Ivy and Mr. Wilbanks both, and we'd wave. Winifred: They didn't getian ice cream cone they'd get a nickel. Beatrice: Oh, that's right. Teeny: Well, you coup go across the street to Lipscomb's and get a whole complete sundae for that in those days. Beatrice: Lipscomb's! That was the name of the pharmacy across the street. Were there twb pharmacies there - Aggieland Pharmacy and Lipscomb's? Teeny: Yes. Sparks ad the Aggieland Pharmacy - Bill Sparks, and Lipscomb's was 'across the street. Lipscomb loved the kids and we could go in there and get an old style Coke glass with two scoops of ice cream - Beatrice: for a nickel Teeny: any kind of sundae sauce we wanted with whipped cream. It began to be a game as' to what we would have on top - a cherry. Some of the kids would get cute and say they wanted an olive or a pickle. We'd get all o that for a nickel on plain old ice cream counter stools. All we had to have was a nickel. Winifred: We didn't thin it was so funny then, did we? Teeny: No. No, that' true. We had to kind of work for those nickels around the hou e, too. Greg: Did they have he soda fountains that we think of, with the Coca - Cola and all t at there? Teeny: They sure did:'. Cherry Cokes were one of the favorite things there, and they didn't taste a thing like the Cherry Cokes in the cans. Greg: Probably a lot better? Teeny: Yes! Greg: Let me ask ab ut the trolley, just because I've done a lot of research on the trolley and I'm very interested. At this time I'm trying tol see if there's one somewhere in Texas, or elsewhere, thatl, exists that's the same vintage as the one that use to run herel. Now, there are several different ones that ran here. I have i}n my research that the trolley started in 1910 - and this is one question I'd like to ask - I heard it started in 1910 and either stopped in 1919 or 1929, or somewhere in between. Do you maybe remember the last time you rode it? Winifred: I knew that I had to walk over a block from my house - we lived on College Avente- Greg: College Avenue and what? Beatrice: towards Bryan - Greg: o.k., College Avenue towards Bryan. Beatrice: not in Bryan, it was not in anything then, it was in the country! Winifred: We had to walk out to the corner and walk over a block and wait for the streetc6r to come. I use to carry Beatrice on my arm and walk over therO to get to town and back again on that trolley car. If I bought anything, I'd have to beg someone to deliver it out to my house. Beatrice: That thing disappeared when I was quite young. I remember being told that I rode on it. Greg: (To Winifred showing a picture) Do you remember if it was this one here? Beatrice: I don't know if she can see it or not. ' bad picture. I have some better Greg: Yes, it's a really pictures that p P I didn't bringltoday. Teeny: Me, I'm interested in the fact that you said it disappeared, because I was only two when we moved here in 1928, and Mother vaguely remembers it being in operation - she thinks. I don't ever remember 't. Winifred: And they had a bus. Teeny: But, of course] I wouldn't for several more years have any childhood memory of it, but I don't remember it at all. i Greg: I know that it disappeared between 1919 and 1928, so in that nine year span it ended somewhere in there. I just don't know exactly when because tilere are different stories, and at some point it was called they Bryan /College Traction Company or the Bryan Transit Company. They switched over to the buses at some point. Winifred: And they put a bus line on across there. Greg: Now, do you remember the bus station that was over there at Northgate? Beatrice: There was no bus station it was a stop and you had to be there. Winifred: No bus station. A stop, and you had to flag the bus down when they came by. I Greg: Do you remember that was? Beatrice: Across the street from Dad's barber shop. The corner drugstore where the post office is now. That's where the bus stopped for a long, long time One bus stop. It went through the campus then came back out and then went out the road that is now Main. Is that what they call it - Main - that goes past the old Baptist Church? Teeny: Beatrice: Teeny: Yes, South Coll ge Main is what they call it. Well that was not developed. That was about two blocks long. It stopped at the corner of the Presbyterian manse. There was no more street. Beatrice: The bus would g6 down what is now University to Wellborn Road and turn to go into Bryan. Teeny: That street wa n't opened up all the way through until - let's see it would be mid to late 1930's that the street opened up. It stopped at Chur',ch Street and it was mud. Then they graveled it, and it was gravel for a long time. Then they put tarmac on it - or concrete. Beatrice: It was gravel for such a long time. Teeny: With great glee' it was opened and we could cut straight through to Bryan and yqu didn't have to go all the way down to Wellborn Road which wasHighway 6 at that time, you see, and go all the way around Brya�. Greg: You don't remember the trolley is that right? Teeny: No. Mother s she remembers it, but she didn't come until 1928. I'm wondering whether she's remembering stories or whether maybe you need another year or so on your termination date. She says she rememb e rs the Aggies getting excited and revved up after a football game and rocking that thing till they rocked it off the rail. Now, whether she heard about it or saw it happen - I don't really knw. Greg: Well, you coup I be right. It could very well have been 1929, because I know that they were having a lot of problems competing with what they call the jitney or the taxis. Teeny: Yes, I remember the jitneys. Greg: What do you re� ember? Teeny: Well they were hard to get, there weren't very many, and on a rainy night yo couldn't find one! Greg: There wasn't ore there when you needed one? Teeny: Yes, I think that's the first time I ever became aware - Beatrice: It wasn't a very big company was it? Teeny: No - privately owned cars just making some money on the side. Greg: It wasn't an or anized taxi service then? Beatrice: I don't think it was. Teeny: Not that I was aware of - it wasn't a Yellow Cab Company. Winifred: You had to have a friend to carry you around. Teeny: That's right, yes, you did. Greg: Now, the trolly (to Winifred). I know you took it into Bryan from where you lived on College, and I think you probably walked over to where 6vitt is today? Beatrice: Yes. Greg: Because I know it ran down College, then jumped over to Cavitt, ran through No thgate somewhere, and then ran onto campus. Do you remember ta� ing it the other way to campus, going by the YMCA building where lone of the terminus - I think one of the terminus buildings was 't the YMCA. Do you remember going that way or just to Bryan ?l Beatrice: (To Winifred) Did you ever ride it out to the "Y "? Winifred: When Daddy worled down in the "Y ", I'd ride and I'd get off - it seemed like the bus would stop right at the "Y ". Beatrice: The bus or the trolley? He's asking about the trolley. Winifred: The trolley didn't go out onto the campus. Where did the trolley • go to? Teeny: It seems to me - I vaguely remember It seems to me „ I remember tracks on going east /west It did not go down Beatrice: I remember the racks, too. Teeny: But I think there were tracks in the was just a child. Greg: Tracks in the middle of University? - you're jogging my memory! what is now University, just South College Main. middle of that road when I Teeny: Yes, of University. I don't remember that going onto the A &M campus. Beatrice: No, it didn't go onto campus. Teeny: And, actually, with that being a military college at that time and the way it was run as a military post, I'm not sure they would have permitted it on campus. Greg: So, maybe the students just jumped off somewhere when it stopped at University? Teeny: Oh, sure, and thumbed a ride if they could get one from there to the door. Greg: It probably was too far. Teeny: No. Winifred: No, we couldn't go very far on campus. Teeny: See, the campuslwas not that large - Beatrice: the campus was so much smaller then - Teeny: there weren't e en all that many dorms on campus, and there were no students liv ng off campus at all in those early days. Beatrice: Those were the good old days. Teeny: In fact they were all on military passes to get off campus. That's one reas�n why all of the churches were as active as they were with their youth programs because the Aggies neither had the money, nor did they have permission to go into Bryan, which was 4 -5 miles away. i Many of those students, (mother remembers) being even more exited about Christmas holidays, because they literally had not been off the campus from September until Christmas holidays. They had to be back on campus by something like 8:00 p.m.',, and only one night after 10:00 p.m. Very stringent rules that time. No married students, no women on campus, lots of uniforms! Winifred: Yes, it was quite different. Beatrice: Yes, I walked across the campus many, many times! Teeny: and, with no apprehension whatsoever, either. Beatrice: No, I just got cat calls because I was carrying a violin under my arm like a tomm gun! Teeny: We, in those days, just thought those cat calls were complimentary, hat's all. Winifred: Beatrice would walk across the campus with her violin, and some young kids would come along and take her violin away from her, and she had a fit. Teeny: Oh, no! Did they really? Winifred: Oh, she used to fight to keep it! Teeny: Well, the surveyors used to watch us cross and then they'd whistle when we got across the drill field. Beatrice: Well, we weren't allowed on campus on April Fool's Day. Greg: Fish Day. Teeny: I'd forgotten about that. We weren't. Greg: Is that what you're talking about, Fish Day? Beatrice: Wild, wild, wi]d, they said. All I remember was shoes in the trees. Greg: I heard a story; and this might have been more in the 1930 and maybe the 1940 too, that the Northgate merchants used to get together, and ou might remember this, and pitch in and buy a bicycle becaus they were trying to get students to go to Northgate morel They would go put the bicycle by one of the dorms on campus I with the knowledge or hope that sooner or later one of those kids would hop on the bicycle and ride it back to Northgate. Hadlyou ever heard that? Teeny: No, that's a ne� tale to me. I never heard that one. Beatrice: That's a really good tale. Greg: I think Opersteny, or - Beatrice: Patranella? Th sounds like Luke Patranella. Teeny: It's too bad my brother, Andy, is not alive. If he were, he'd know about it. Greg: I just thought it was interesting. And there's another thing, this goes to something I researched back and it started in 1897, and I don't kn�w Cl exactly how long it ran, but it was called the Faculty Bicycl ub or the College Bicycle Club. They kept up a bicycle track that started at the depot, you know where all the depots were in that area, and ran to Bryan along the railroad corridor. Fr�m what I'm reading it started in 1897, and I believe it ran for something like ten years, maybe more towards fifteen. Theylwould keep this track upgraded and they had stiles • and it would go over fences and they bought rights -of -way from the railroad company. I guess it was like a wooden track. Do you ever remember anything like that? Does it jog anything for you? Teeny: No. The only thing it jogs - I think that's in that book, and I recently read something about it. I knew nothing about it. There were an awful lot of - well I started to say students, but I'm not sure about students - but faculty members in the early days, during the depression and during the war, who rode bicycles. My �ather was one of them. Dad's hair was totally white by World ar II and it used to make him so mad (because he still thought he was pretty young) when he could ride his bicycle all over campus and some of the kids would say "Get out of the way old man ". Beatrice: Who was the man who collected so many pictures? He was deaf. He was a professor on campus and he rode a bicycle everywhere. Winifred: Umbert? Right there on the corner? He was a character. Teeny: Oh! Dr. Asbury. Beatrice: Asbury! Yes. Greg: He collected pi�tures? Beatrice: He had so many pictures, he had them on the ceiling - Teeny: He had four gra d pianos in his living room and a leather covered chaise lounge. I know, because he would permit the music teachers to bring their students over to play duets on four pianos at one time. He had stacks of literature, stacks of books. I don' know if he ever re- married, but when I knew him he was widowe He was on what was Sulphur Springs Road, University now, in campus housing. He had rosebushes with just a lane - I mean walk - and you had to be careful, if you moved over one way or the other you'd hit the thorns. He developed what was called a black rose. It was as deep a red as you could get. Greg: Was he a Hor iculture Professor? Some kind of Agriculture probably if he developed the rose - Beatrice: Oh, he had his thumb in everything. Teeny: I don't remember, but he was a very giving, very kind, very loving man. H used to embarrass me every time he'd see me at the new post o f ice he' d have to give me a kiss. But he was a dear, and a very - oh, maybe you could put a little bit of an eccentric name to him. But he had literally, not more than three or four inches ',between large gold framed pictures all over the walls, and then he'd start on the ceiling. Greg: In his home? Teeny: Yes. Winifred: I never was in !there, but I heard them talk about it, they said it was quite a sight. Teeny: He had a fabulpus music collection, piano and otherwise, music collection. I I heard him play, but those four grand pianos were always in tune and he was very generous towards others. Beatrice: Who was your piano teacher Mrs. ? ? Teeny: No, she helped Ime but she never taught me. Mrs. Conway whose children had the Conway Men's Store in Bryan. Caroline Mitchell taught me some. Beatrice: Caroline was my high school algebra teacher. Teeny: There were a co of other teachers, but Mrs. Conway is the one who started me lout. Beatrice: The man who d' the First Annual Band, Mr. Holik, was my violin teacher. Greg: His grandson is here. Beatrice: He had the Hol k Shoe and Boot Shop, and his thumbs and fingers were so beaten up and wide that you wouldn't think that he could play, but he did. Teeny: I didn't remember that. Beatrice: Yes, I used to go over to the Boot Shop and have a lesson. Teeny: I enjoyed the Iconsolidated Symphony Orchestra, we didn't have enough money in those days to have a band, etc. Mother had a sister who played the violin, so she decided I would play the violin. My little brother was too young to start school and we'd get about three quarters of the way in front of Luke's grocery store, and he'd start crying, and have to go home. No car, we tried to talk him - Greg: Where was Luke's grocery store? Teeny: It was on South:College Main at the time. Beatrice: About two stores down from Loupot's, but that was Lipscomb's Pharmacy then wasn't it? Teeny: Yes, Lipscomb 's' Pharmacy, and then I think there was a little jewelry store and there was a small men's store. Beatrice: There was? Winifred: Yes, one of the men's stores was in the same building as the barber shop. Beatrice: Waldrop's was in that building. But there was a little men's store, Mother s�ys, and I vaguely remember that. Winifred: Then there was a jewelry shop - Oscar Greg I was trying think of his name the ot�er day. Teeny: There was Luke's and a cleaners - Sparks Cleaners - no. Rapp's Cleaners? Then there was the Soslik's Barber Shop. Beatrice: Well, Soslik's Was down - Winifred: - on the other side of the street. Teeny: on the north street, yes. I'm thinking about the west side of the street. Th is the part I knew because I wasn't supposed to cross the street you see, so I walked up that side of the street. Greg: Where Northgate is now you have the railroad corridor that runs along the west side there. Were there any establishments that made use of that railroad there? Any type of platform there for loading docks, or anything like that? Teeny: No, everything ',was done at the intersection of - at the west , entrance to the campus. Which was the main entrance at that time. Greg: The old entrance. So the train didn't stop anywhere further down until Bryan? Teeny: No. As far as I know those railroad tracks were then, where they are now. I don't know that they've been changed. They might be closer to Bryant, but they always paralleled the old Highway 6. Greg: So any busines was taken care of at the depot. There was no loading or unlo �ding over at the Northgate area? Teeny: Not that I know of. Greg: So those merchapts would have to go down to the depot? Teeny: I don't know how they got it from there come to think of it, I really don't. And I don't specifically remember, do you Mrs. Ivy, any delivery trucks or produce trucks or anything in Northgate? I Winifred: In Bryan there as a grocery store that I used to call and they'd deliver - Humpt Dumpty's. Teeny: Yes! Beatrice: But, not out a the college. Teeny: But, I'm wondering who brought the meat and groceries to Charlie and Luke? Winifred: Sometimes. Teeny: Did they bring it on a delivery truck? Winifred: No, not then. Not Charlie's. Beatrice: (To Winifred) Well, she's asking you, out at the college, they had delivery of some kind, where did they get the meat and so forth, do you have any idea? Winifred: I have no idea where they got their meat. On the campus they used to sell meat. Beatrice: At the commissa y. Winifred: Once in a while I would get a piece of meat down there. Beatrice: About all they had on the west side of the tracks was the big creamery. Teeny: It's still therI I understand, in a different location, but they still have a creamery. Greg: Do you remembe - adjacent or across University Avenue from the Northgate area - what was happening on campus there? I know that the oldest part of the campus is more towards the central area, but we already talked about the post office there that we thought was built in the 1930 Do you remember some other things going on, on campus, that were close to the Northgate area, as far as interaction? Teeny: Yes, they call it a town hall. There used to be a wooden structure just north of the older dorms across from the "Y ". 4 V Let's start from the "Y" and go north. Across from the "Y" are those older, white brick dormitories. Where they stopped, there was quite a bit of land there between the end of those brick dorms and the }next street, along which were residences at one point. On that,property there was a large wooden auditorium. Beatrice: They called it the Assembly Hall. Teeny: The Assembly Hall, yes, thank you. And that was an Assembly Hall for everything., It was used for the A &M students. They had movies in it on Saturday nights. If there was a play put on - it was done there. Everything was done there. That was prior to Guion Hall. Greg: Do you remember'it having these strange spires on either side of it? I think I've seen some pictures of that Assembly Hall. Beatrice: That might have been Guion Hall that you saw. Greg: I know Guion Ha 1. Teeny: The Assembly Hall preceded Guion. Greg: And that was located - present day - do you know where? Teeny: Where the campus chapel is. Greg: O.k., so that is close to Northgate. Teeny: That was there,'then the next street over, just beyond that going north, had a number of larger residences. The President's home was there at one time. I believe Dr. Gilchrist lived in that house as recent as that. Dr. Marsh, Sr., lived there. Then there were some side streets that went more north, and the Cashions, the Tabors, and Holmes', lived there. Beatrice: The Mitchell's, the Steeles - Teeny: The Mitchell's lived on the other side of the drill field. Caroline Mitchell's family. Greg: Do you all remember Quality Row - what they called Quality Row - those five brick homes? There used to be a lake on campus and I there were five brick homes called Quality Row where the professors lived. Teeny: I've read aboutl that and I've wondered where that was because I don't remember' it. Where was the lake? Was it in that depression over there close to the current PBS /KAMU station? Greg: I think it was more over towards the golf course, somewhere near where the Administration Building is. Somewhere in there - but I'm not sure. Teeny: I don't remember any lake in my era, except the one that is now Brison Park and',that used to be a lake with a road around it. Greg: Over on the south side? Teeny: Yes. Greg: And that's drained now. Teeny: Yes, but it was not drained when I was a teenager. out over in North ate at the Campus Theater? That reg: How about g opened p P I think in 1940 - was everybody here when that opened in 1940? Beatrice: Yes. Teeny: It opened earlior than that. Greg: Well, Deborah Jasek said it opened in 1940. David: The late 1930's. Greg: 1938 -39. I know it was close to 1940. One or two years ahead, maybe. Teeny: Well, you cowl$ be right. One reason I'm questioning it, they were nice enough to show a film to benefit some project at A &M Consolidated, a l hd I was involved in the contracting for it. So I had something to do with the theater when I was in high school. It could be early 1940 that's true, but it would have been before 1943. I Greg: Do you remember,going to the theater in the early 1940's? Beatrice: Yes. Teeny: Yes. Greg: It must have been a big event because the earlier movies would have been shown in the Assembly Hall or Guion Hall. Teeny: We had the Houston Symphony up here at Guion Hall in its early days. Winifred: That Northgate was a busy corner. The Opersteny's had a variety shop and grocery store, and Luke had another grocery store around the corner. Beatrice: Luke Patranella. Winifred: Then there was another barber shop around the corner there. Beatrice: Where did Luke have the Easter Egg hunt, do you remember that? Teeny: I think it was at Southgate. Beatrice: It used to be b g - like a park out there. Teeny: Oh, yes, it was undeveloped and pretty well cleaned off though. He would have a',community Easter Egg hunt. Beatrice: It was wonderfu . Teeny: Realize the community wasn't very large, but I'm telling you, that man had lots of eggs to get ready to have an Easter Egg hunt, and it was open to everybody - all the kids - not just those that live on campus or the farm kids, or whatever. Beatrice: I think he reveled in It as much as anyone did. Teeny: He loved it - he loved children. Greg: Who was this? Beatrice: Luke Patranella Greg: Luke Patranella and he did an Easter Egg hunt every year? Teeny: He was a very giving man. He sponsored a lot of activities for Consolidated School. Winifred: He was a busy man. Well, his wife is still active in a civic sense, but her health is very poor. Teeny: Elsie's doing - I think she's doing better since she moved. Greg: Did Patranella coordinate the Easter Egg hunt through a church? Or was it just something he did? Beatrice: It was just something he did. Teeny: (To Beatrice) never did know how he got all those eggs boiled, did you? Beatrice: No. Teeny: I bet he took them up to campus and had them boiled in commercial pots or something. Because A &M was so good to those not connected with it. Beatrice: He probably did. Teeny: We used to be watermelons for support groups, able to buy locker space, and they'd ice down church feeds. The college and the surrounding if you want to call them that, worked as a unit. Beatrice: They depended on each other. Teeny: It was a very, very family oriented feel. Greg: They probably needed each other at that time. Teeny: They did and thley were willing to serve each other. Mr. Duncan was in charge of Sbisa Hall and there in the ballroom was where they had all the big band dances on Friday and Saturday nights just before the war. Also, in my youth I remember Mother and Daddy getting costumed for the big Halloween balls that they would have. That's a large room if you think about a Christmas tree that would be effective, but every year they had a large Christmas tree in one corner and all the families were to bring a gift according to how many children they had, and they would put them under the tree and distribute them, and have a sock with apples and oranges and candies for all of those children as they left. That involved all of the community and the college faculty children. Winifred: It was a busy place. Teeny: It was a very delightful place to live in those early years - a very good community. Greg: I don't know if you can see, I wish we had color pictures, but this is an early picture in the 1920's of Northgate. I just wanted to see if that sparks any memory - I know it's hard to see - I can hardly see it. The one on the right side is Northgate. Beatrice: I don't remember that gate at all. Of course, Mom can't even see it. Greg: Do you remember that Northgate picture there? Teeny: They have here he "College Station Post Office" and I can hardly read that myself it :ays - " Tamales, Hamburgers, Cold Drinks, and Lunch and College Studio - Kodaks and Supplies zreg: It might be misdated, doesn't it say 1920's on there? Teeny: It says "about 1920's ". Greg: It might be misdated. It might have been in the teens, so it might not be something that you remember. Beatrice: Well I don't even remember a gate being there. Teeny: I don't either. Greg: Mrs. Ivy do you remember? It's hard for me to see. Beatrice: She can't see it. She sees outlines only, she really is legally blind. Greg: O.k. Do you remember the College Studio - is that Kodak Cameras and Supplies? Beatrice: No. Soslik's Studio is the one that we would remember. In fact, they've got a big picture of me, made when I was about two, up there. Winifred: That's when the Gorifsky's had that store. Beatrice: Oh, they did! Soslik got it from Gorifsky? Winifred: Yes. Beatrice: I'd forgotten about the Gorifsky's. Teeny: I wonder when iSoslik's opened? Because the Gorifsky name is familiar to me and yet I can't see any sign but the Soslik's. Greg: The Soslik's was what kind of store? Beatrice: It was a studio - Teeny: A photography studio, one of the first in the community. Beatrice: They used to make all of the senior pictures and so forth. Teeny: It was one of the first in the community to have the wherewithal to do colored photography when color film came out. Greg: How would you spell Soslik? S -a -u? Teeny: S- o- s- l -i -k. David: And where in Notthgate was it? Beatrice: It was on Main - there's a dry cleaning place there now, isn't there? Teeny: Well, between fain and Church Street there's what looks like an alley, and I don't know the name of that little street, Patricia St., but it was on that corner. Beatrice: Across the street from the Holik Boot Shop- Winifred: All in that comer was all busy places. Beatrice: and a tailor shop there. They used to make all the uniforms and boots right next to each other over there. Greg: To go further along west on University, where Loupot's is now, we were talking about it and that was Lipscomb's right? Beatrice: Yes. Greg: Then you have - well, right now it's in a period of transition - it's going to be a country bar place called Fritz- something. I don't remember the name of it, but it used to be called the Alamo Apartments - the big building with a slate roof. It's been Two PesOS. The one we saw in the slides this morning, it was purple and pink. Do you remember seeing that? Beatrice: There was a big apartment house in there that belonged to the Boyetts, I believe. But between Lipscomb's Pharmacy and that area there were these places, Luke Patranella and the five -and- dime that we'velbeen talking about. I Greg: O.k. So like t Dixie Chicken and Dudley's, that was Beatrice: Wasn't there. Greg: O.k. So was there nothing there? Beatrice: Well, those stores, that we were talking about - that was about all that was there. Greg: I'm talking about the buildings, though. Like the building that's the DWO Chicken did it used to be one of these stores we're talking about? Beatrice: I think that's right. Yes. Winifred: Yes. There was a vacant lot there. Beatrice: Yes, before yo got to that two story apartment building. I suppose that's hat is called - that has a slate roof - what did you call it? Greg: Right now its painted white - they just painted it. It used to be Two Pesos and before that it was The Flying Tomato. David: Yes. Greg: It's a really mice building it has a slate roof and it's really large. I was told it used to be called the Alamo Apartments. The facade was different. It had an Alamo type of appearance to it. Do you remember Beatrice: I sort of remember, but that was in the 1940 Greg: 0. k. I think the building was built in the 1920 so it might have served a use before that. Usually those buildings with the slate roofs are, really old. Mrs. Ivy, do you have any memories of the Alamo Apartments? Winifred: The apartments - it was a long time before they put them in there. And jut before where the College Theater is - the old Boyetts had a blig house down there. He was a very important man - the old man - IBoyett. What was he? Beatrice: I don't know. Winifred: Seemed like he had some office in the college. Teeny: Wasn't he on th City Council? Beatrice: I think so, something like that. He owned a lot of land. Winifred: Mr. Ivy used to have to go down and shave him and cut his hair. And, the old man, I don't know what it was, - seemed like he wanted Mr. Ivy to take over that house. When he came home to me he said "Mother,' would you agree to take in boarders and make the Boyett house a boarding place ?" I said no. Beatrice: Well, she was already taking in - Dad put several of the Masonic Home boys through college by letting them barber in his shop. They lived in a'two bedroom, small, small house. Winifred: You don't know what I put up with. Beatrice: The boys slept everywhere. She said she used to make doughnuts, and they would eat them almost faster than she could get them out of the hot grea$e. Teeny: A lot of those kids came to A &M in those days. Winifred: It was good times, but it was hard work. Teeny: It was good times, but a lot them didn't have any money - they came on a shoestring. Beatrice: No, they didn't. That's right and they made it. Teeny: Some of those during the Depression, simply got here. They existed. Greg: People took care of them? Beatrice: Yes. Winifred: Don't start me on my living. Teeny: But we want to. You get started. Winifred: We were married and moved to Frost. That's where Mr. Ivy was raised - Frost, Texas. We moved there in September. It started raining the day we left and it never stopped raining all winter. And it was black mud. It was awful. The students came and said "Mr. Ivy, come on down to college and get a job - I know you can find something.' So he came down to college and went to work in the YMCA, and h� boarded, then on the weekends he would come up to Frost and visit with me. Finally, our family at Frost said "We're leaving this town, and you can have all the furniture ". Mr. Ivy came to Bryan and found an apartment and we moved all that furniture down to Bryan and lived. Then finally, we moved from there to the campus and got an apartment down on the campus. Then we bought 'a house - in Union Hill it was called then - we bought a house and moved up there. We lived there a few years but then there was another house for sale on College Avenue and that's where Beatrice was born - on College Avenue in that little house, and we lived there until about twenty years ago I sold it. Beatrice: Ten years ago, she sold it. Greg: Is that house still standing? Beatrice: No. You know where Camey's Pub is? Greg: Yes. Beatrice: Well, that parking lot is where our home was - it used to be back there. Greg: Did they move it or did they tear it down? Beatrice: I don't know what happened to it - it just disappeared. Winifred: We sold the land and the house both, and they moved it. So I don't care what became of it. But that's where Beatrice was raised. That's when we used to wash and hang it out. Teeny: Yes ma'am. I ,remember some of that. In fact, as a child I couldn't quite understand why everyone got so excited about the hymn, "Bringing in the Sheaves ". I'd never seen a sheaf of wheat at that time and I couldn't understand how they'd get so excited about "bringing in the sheets". I had to do that all the time. My father was a minister and you'd think I'd know better, but I didn't know wha a sheaf of wheat was. Beatrice: That reminds me of that Family Circus thing that you see in the news. The kid leaned over in church and said to his mother "What did Grace do that made her so amazing ?" Teeny: I missed that ore. I enjoy those. Greg: Union Hill, is that a subdivision? Winifred: What's Union Hill now? Beatrice: North Avenue isn't it? Winifred: I guess so. North Avenue goes up into there. Beatrice: Do you know where Wellborn Road divides and you go down Old College Road, I think is what they call it. Well that was all that was there. The Wellborn extension has been put there in the last thirty years, I guess, to Villa Maria. You came down that way several blocks and then there was a real sharp curve and a big ditch. More wrecks occurred on that curve. Teeny: I was in a wrec on that curve. That was from the Bryan Country Club, which is how the Municipal Club. There was a big ravine there with a concrete bridge and railings and it was absolutely flat at the bot om and there was a hill going down and one going up. And aftei a high school dance, I was involved in an accident. Winifred: I think one of those cars came down and hit a tree at the corner of my land on College Avenue and nobody ever showed up to move that car until daylight. And it was in such pieces, they took it out piece by piece. It never was reported in the paper at all. Teeny: My word, and itlwas right there at your front door? Winifred: Yes. I was in the house there alone and I heard this terrible crash. And I thought there was a wreck out front, but I won't go out because I don't want to get my name in it. They hit a big tree and they tore the concrete around the edge of my land. The concrete was all busted up. i Teeny: Mrs. Ivy, when did you and your husband move here from Frost, I've forgotten ?' Beatrice: 1920 was when they moved here. Teeny: You told me, I just couldn't remember. Do you remember the name of the cafe operator that was on Sulphur Springs Road at Northgate? Over there by Waldrop's there was a cafe. Beatrice: Yes there was, but I can't remember the name. Teeny: They lived in those duplex houses that were built north of Church of Christ. I believe it was her uncle that this girl was living with - she was one of the first playmates I had at Northgate, since none of the other ministers had children at that time. Winifred: I remember there was a restaurant right on that corner. Teeny: Daddy used to help him open it up. i Greg: Was cafe part of the name? Teeny: It just had a sign out there that said Cafe. Greg: Oh, it was just called cafe, that was the name of it? Teeny: And I don't remember the gentleman's name. Greg: Do any of you remember eating there on occasion? Teeny: No, you didn't have the money to do that in those days. Greg: Really? Well someone had to eat there! Some of the people from A &M campus? Teeny: Daddy used to coo down there and have coffee, and I think it was kind of a gathering place. I'm sure some of the kids did, but living right around the corner at my house, we didn't go out to eat much. That just wasn't a way of life in those days, for anybody. Money or otherwise, we had family service at the table with bowls and dishes instead of being served in the kitchen. It was a different' way. Beatrice: If you want some more history on the post office - Breazelle - what's his name - his name is Mr. Breazelle, he's Mr. A &M - he does the commentary from the booth at the football games. He lived here on campus, and he could tell you when it was built and all that stuff. Greg: O.k. How do yo� spell Breazelle? i Winifred: Breezy. Breezy Breazelle we called him. When he retired he sent out a card that said no name, no address, no ma'am! He didn't want anyone chasing him down. Greg: Are there any places at Northgate that we haven't mentioned yet? You know the cafe didn't come up until much later. Are there some other places that maybe we haven't talked about yet that you remember? Some small little shop or anything else that you can think of? Winifred: I can't remember anything now. Of course, the Baptist preacher had a house dow at the far end of that section. Teeny: I have some pictures of that. Winifred: Preacher Brown? Teeny: Yes. They had no children and they were almost second parents to me and I didn't know until I was a number of years older that their initials were R.L., because I'd stand in our front yard and wave to them and say L. 0. Brown, and I thought it was Reverend and Mrs. L.O.,Brown. It wasn't until years later that I realized! They were very strong people in the Baptist convention, they were known all over the state. Beatrice: He always called me Bernice. Teeny: Maybe I should ave called him Reverend L.O.! Greg: How about things like feed stores and seed stores? Was that only in Bryan? Would you have to go into Bryan to get feed and seed I type of items? Beatrice: We probably saved them from the year before. I don't remember that. Teeny: That's a good question, I really can't answer that because we, of course, were in,the people business not the crop business. But, Dad did have a !minimal garden but he did have a lot of animals. Now, I said Dade was a part of the support group for campus, and he certainly wags, as a minister. But in later years Dad was Chairman of the Religious Education Department here and taught. He was very close and very instrumental in fish camp and this type thing. He',was anti - hazing. He was a very active person on campus. Whether he had access for the small quantity he needed, to feed chickens and geese and ducks and stuff, whether he had access to a pound or two here from the F &B people - I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know that to be true. i Greg: He might have gotten some of that at the grocery store there? Charlie's or maybe some of the others? Teeny: You're right, 1'I just don't remember. Now, if we needed ice, we had to go into the old ice house in Bryan. We occasionally could get some from ampus, but the usual thing, other than the ice delivery to our ice box - which in our case was on that little porch - we' d go down to the ice house. of course all the kids loved to do that in the heat of summer, cause we could stand and get cool and get a chunk of ice. Greg: How about milk, was that delivered, or did you go to the grocery store to get th t? Teeny: I believe it was delivered, wasn't it? Winifred: Well, I had to go to the grocery store. I'd get a gallon there - after I got my ',freezer, I'd buy it by the gallon, and divide it and freeze some of it. Beatrice: Well, before thiat there was a cow, and Dad milked cows when he got home from work. That's when they cut hair for fifteen cents. Teeny: That's what th Wilbanks' did. I remember being out at Peggy Wilbanks' after school and they were milking the cow. Now, Dad never had a cow. I don't know who prevented that, but I'm glad! Beatrice: The Wilbanks home was right next to the S.D. Snyder place and they had a chicken farm, and that is what used to be Union Hill, that area there Teeny: Mr. Wilbanks was a barber in Mr. Ivy's shop. Beatrice: Yes, the renegade. He left and made his own shop didn't he? Teeny: Yes, he did. And Peggy his daughter was my age and in school with me. We'd often times walk home together because she was going to meet her mother in her Daddy's shop, and we became good friends. But I've lost her, I don't know where she is now. Winifred: Have we given you all the history? Greg: Are we taking a break? Teeny: It's a quarter of twelve. We've really talked a lot! Greg: Let's take like a ten minute break and then come back, then it will be just thirty minutes more. is that o.k.? Teeny: That would be fine. BREAK The tape was stopped. While it was off, it was decided that Mrs. Ivy was getting tired, so the group agreed to go ahead and Wrap things up. Before the tape was restarted however, Teeny asked about a jewelry store in INorthgate east of Lipscomb's Pharmacy, and who owned it. The tape restarts with Beatrice answering Teeny's question. TAPE RESTARTED Beatrice: The only one that I remember Mr. Gray had - it was on the corner and the next street was the street that you crossed - the lot - it wasn't a street there then - and you went into the Methodist Church lane. Teeny: I thought there was one there but I couldn't visualize it or remember the na e. Beatrice: Gray, he was there years and years, and I guess that cafe we talked about was between Waldrop's and the jewelry store. Greg: since we're going to leave, I wanted to ask a question. Mrs. Ivy, when they asked you and Mr. Ivy to take over the boarding house and you said that you didn't want to, do you remember who did? Winifred: No, I never ran a boarding house. Beatrice: No, he wants to know who did take over the Boyett place, do you know? Winifred: I have no idea. Teeny: George Boyett would probably know. Beatrice: Yes, he should know. Greg: Well, we really appreciate it. i Beatrice: Are you going to return these pictures? I put Dad's name on the back of all of them. Greg: Yes, we'll keep all yours in one pile and (to Teeny) we'll keep yours in one pile. Are all yours there? Teeny: I'd like to tak7 mine home. Greg: O.k. Will you let us have access to them later? Teeny: Oh, yes. Yes. '', I would like to continue to confirm dates and people and see if there are some others. Beatrice: Well, I can do that too, if it will be easier. But I understood from the brochure that she was going to make copies of the pictures. David: Yes, what we Would like to do is take the pictures to a photography shop and get a copy of everyone's pictures and then we will return your originals to you. Beatrice: I have a great big picture, but it's framed, of the inside of the barber shop if that would be of any value to you. David: Oh, yes, that would be good. Greg: What about this Asbury fellow, the one that had all the pictures, do you know what happened to all of that? Beatrice: I don't know wh t happened with that. I really don't know. Greg: I wonder what happened to all of those pictures. That would be a great resource. Beatrice: It surely would.1 I'm trying to think who would know. Winifred: I think the college took it over. Greg: You think the c llege got his pictures maybe? Winifred: I wouldn't knowl Greg: It would be nice to find out where all those pictures are. 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Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of ps, etc, useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. :s and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense ing the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, n be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties I by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with al information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of , ered by insurance. � , kA Fj 2�[ �� 2 o ri' �' rr C (<_, Inte ,rviewee (Please print) Y a t , /1 ( (J ti_4 � SignaturO of Interviewee Print) Signafure('Af 'Inter *fewer Nam i� LC N 1 7 7 Ad res ,{oy 7`7 Telephone Date of Birth �� Z Place of Birth C O / _ Place of Interview / INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progre List of photos, documents mans. etc. +64f, 6 r?{` HMO tV - 1) Interviewee agrees to and s employees, from and against i of every kind, attorney's fees, arising out of or in connecti( CITY, its agents, represent indemnity shall apply where 1 whole or in part from the negl II indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability r injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by ves, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in nce of city. D to �> Initial HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to i Station, Texas, for whatever contents of this oral history i original photos, documents, i Interviewee releases, relinqui, claims, demands, and causes thereof, for any injury to, ind any person, whether that per parties hereto, and any loss of hereto or of third parties, caw Interviewee provision of hista action in whole or in part are i Place of Interview Interviewee (Please print) Signature of Ynterviewee Name Address r d 6 Telephone Date of Birth - 7 Z Place of Birth q, 44/ INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed t/ In progress HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College poses may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and xview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of ps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. s and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense ng the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, i be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with it information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of erect by insurance. ,I Interviewee agrees to and sl employees, from and against a of every kind, attorney's fees, arising out of or in connectio CITY, its agents, represent indemnity shall apply where t whole or in part from the negli 11 indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability r injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by ves, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in nee of city. Da e Initial i HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, n�aps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, inclgding the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. W►n i �`�� 1 V\✓ Interviewee (Please print) �?- (Ple se Print) Signature of Interviewee Name Address Telephone �� d Date of Birth Place of Birth► Signature oq Iifte sewer Place of Interview / INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connectiox with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, represents Ives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where ft e claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the neglil ence of city. Vr,� Da W Initial