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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCampus Kids, Oral History taken Feb. 18, 1998 (2)Campus Kids February 18, 1998 Moderator: Bill Lay Note taker: Eileen Sather Room 105 Interview Group: Martha Jane Porter Love James T. Cashion Mary Jane Munson Hirsch Nancy Jane Tiner this is Bill Lay Feb 18, 1998 room 105 conference center sponsored by historic preservation short intro of the people • TINER- Nancy Jane Reynolds, I was born in Bryan simply because there was no hospital in College Station, lived on Clark street just 2 doors from the main entrance of Kyle Field, lived in that house 'till 2nd grade when we moved over to South Oakwood where my parents had built a house, that particular house was the one that was used by the contractor when they built the Memorial Student Center, so it was one of the last houses to be moved off campus, and I went to school at the campus for two years, and then we moved over to the new school. • LOVE - Martha Jane Porter Love, Lived in Frederick, OK for twenty some odd years, Ardmore for twenty some odd years. I went to A &M Consolidated and I do not remember the exact number of years then I went to Bryan, graduated from Bryan and from Texas University. • HIRSCH - My brother is Thurmond Munson, and on campus he was "Sunny" Munson. Martha Jane and I are first cousins and we lived directly across the street from Nancy Reynolds, (Nancy Tiner) and that family. We were best friends and when little we were very close. The Crawfords lived on one side of us and Dan Russell on the other side and across the street from the Crawfords was the swimming pool where we all had a good time. • CASHION- When I lived here I was known as Jimmie My dad was secretary of the YMCA and we lived in a house right across the street from the college hospital next door to the college physician Dr. Marsh. Right next to him was Dr. Marsteller who was head of the veterinary school, and Dean Kyle, for whom Kyle Field was named. Dean Kyle was Dean of the School of Agriculture. end of intro remarks • LAY- Let's start with you Mrs. Tiner since you introduced yourself first. What was it like going to early school out here? You went to school on campus at that time I believe. • TINER - Yes, about two blocks up the street and I can remember the name of my first grade teacher. It was Ms. Addison and I can remember exactly what she looked like. Then in the 2nd grade Ms. Krenek who was new in town. Her husband moved in as a 1 new dentist in Bryan and she was the 2nd grade teacher. It was during that year that we moved over to the new school. • LAY - In what year was that? • TINER- Well, let's see I was born in '32, and we started school when we were 6 so that must have been 1938, 1939. I can remember '39 because A &M was the National Football Champions. We had John Kimbrough and everything, and I met a man in Europe last year and when I said we were from College Station, TX, he said, "I will never forget the great John Kimbrough." • LAY - What was school like in going there on the campus? How large was your class and this kind of thing? • LOVE - They were relatively small compared to now a days. • CASHION- I think there were probably about uh 35 of us in the first grade and there were 24 of us, of that same group, that graduated from high school. We only had 11 grades but one of the things that was good about it was the fact that the people you started school with were the ones you went all the way through high school and graduated with. We only lost a half of dozen or so, and I guess we probably picked up one or two that did not start first grade with us. • LAY- Were all of these classmates sons and daughters of professors on campus or did some live in the surrounding community? • CASHION- Some of them lived in Wellborn and uh down in the Peach Creek area. They were bused in. I think consolidated schools had two buses and I uh remember when we were in high school during the early part of the war uh, the school buses were driven by students. There were a couple of boys uh, that were old enough to have driver license and they drove school buses, and uh that was an adventure. • LAY - I understand there were several different types of houses on campus. Can you describe your house and how it may have compared to one of your neighbors houses? • TINER - Our house, the Reynolds house, was slightly smaller than the Shepardson's house which was next door, but we had a living room with a separate dining room, a kitchen, two bedrooms, one bath. They had taken a porch and enclosed it, which was really a third bedroom. They had glassed that in. We had a huge mulberry tree on the side of the house. Now the Munson's house may have been a little bigger, I am not sure. • HIRSCH - I do not think so. • TINER - You had a bigger front porch. We had a small front porch and as I remember, the Shepardson's had a wrap around porch. But one thing that I do remember from that house is the fact that we had a lot of what we called hobos in those days, and they would always come to the back door and knock on the door and ask for a meal because we were only a block from the railroad. That is when they would ride in on those railcars. They would get off and walk up there, and I can't ever remember that my mother ever refused anybody any food even though we were the depression kids, but I do not think we were aware that there was a depression at all. I certainly was not. I mean, we always had food to feed these people. • HIRSCH - Now I heard later and is this true ?: that our fathers did not really get paid with money they got paid with script because there was not any money. 2 • CASHION- I did not know that, until I came back here and I was talking to Travis Bryan, Junior. His daddy was the president of the First National Bank back then, and much of the faculty maybe even all of it was paid in Texas script. The Bryan merchants as I understand it they accepted script just like they did regular money, but how long that went on I do not know. I do not truly remember it. I just remember people talking about it. • TINER - I do not remember it either. • HIRSCH - I am glad to hear it confirmed in that case. • LAY- Were there some two story houses on campus? • CASHION- The houses were located according to the pecking order. The president in a separate area, the deans and department heads lived in certain areas, and basically had certain sized houses. Uh, instructors and assistant professors and so on, if they had such a thing uh lived in little bit smaller houses. All the maintenance people lived down beyond what is now the power plant, and they had a level of housing, and you know I guess I don't think I really realized that until Knox Walker started doing all of this research and development phonebook and we got to looking and then it dawned on me that we lived in the area that was designated by what your parents did. • TINER( ?)- Similar to a military base. • CASHION - Right, exactly the same as a military base. • HIRSCH - I remember hearing that Quality Row, was that where the deans lived? • CASHION- I guess so. We lived across the street from the hospital and from our house down towards the Northgate there was Dr. Tommy Mayo, who was head of the library and then there were several other houses and there was a big duplex right next to us that was reserved for military officers • TINER - That is where Betty Harriet Irving lived. • CASHION- Well there was another one at the end of the block were Betty Harriet lived and the Marcus's, Jones's, Lieutenant Jones, Captain Lyons. • TINER - Do your remember Caroline Stickney? • CASHION - Caroline Stickney lived next door. • TINER - Her father was military. • CASHION - That is right. • LOVE- I have no memory of those houses. • CASHION- Well, they were big duplexes, big houses but they were duplexes and then around the comer from us Dr. Marsh who was the college physician lived. He had a bigger house and next door to him was Dr. Marstellar and he had a similar size house and Dean Kyle was head of the School of Agriculture and he had a bigger house, but it was definitely depending on where you ranked in the college on what kind of housing you had. • LAY- Was housing a part of the renumeration for teaching here? Was it quote free? Was it included in the salary or did they pay your rent on the house? • CASHION - I think some folks paid twenty dollars a month. • TINER - Yeah they were rented. 3 • CASHION- And I know when they asked us to move off the campus, my dad bought our house for about 500 dollars, had the house moved and it is right back over here now where um Homer Adams lives. • LOVE - Oh, that was your house. • HIRSCH - And there is a house across the street from where Homer Adams. • CASHION - That is where Norman Anderson lived. • HIRSCH - I thought so. • CASHION- I do not know whose house that was, but it was a campus house. • LAY - Did the grounds around your house belong, did ya'll take care of it yourself or who took care of that? • TINER - We took care of it. We had a big back yard. My dad put lights out there we used to play red rover and.. . • CASHION - Weren't the tennis courts over there close to your house? • HIRSCH - We never played out at night. • TINER - The tennis courts were behind Mary Jane's house. • CASHION - on the comer, back behind the houses. • HIRSCH - about where Cain Hall is • CASHION- right across from the swimming pool • TINER - Yes, more or less but there were a whole row of houses that faced the railroad. The tennis courts were in between that and Mary Jane's house. • HIRSCH - So that would be in our back yard. • TINER - but we used to play red rover at night • HIRSCH - kick the can • TINER - And then if we were going to play hide and seek my dad would turn the lights off so nobody could see us. • LAY - What was the peach orchard? • TINER - No idea. • CASHION - It was the Pear. It was not the Peach Orchard. • TINER - I called that No Man's Land. • CASHION - It was between that row of houses on Henderson Street, that I was talking about behind those houses between there and what is now Wellborn Road. The railroad track, of course, was there like it still is now but there was a side track that ran from where the old depot was around by the Northgate and back to the power plant. When they used coal at the power plant they used that side track. • LAY - It kind of came about where University Drive is now maybe in a little bit. • CASHION - Yes, it started near what was the main entrance to the college. • LAY - That is old College Main. • CASHION - It curved through the Pear Orchard and ran almost parallel to University Drive on the campus side. When it got down beyond the post office it angled back towards the power plant. • LAY - I had heard in a lot of the other interviews that there was a spur that came off there. • CASHION - One time that train derailed down there and turned over. We thought we had caused it by putting rocks on the track. 4 • LAY - Nancy you were going to tell me about a place something • TINER - Well there was an area called No Man's Land on the block. This block here on Clark street. All the houses faced outward and in the middle where they grew roses. Do you remember that Mary Jane? OK, and my dad was sick one time and the janitor from up at the building was going to come see him and he did not come until after dark and he came with this big bouquet of roses and my mother said, "John you know you have come so late, are you going to be able to catch the bus to get back back home in Bryan? and he said, "Well Ms. Reynolds, I had to wait till after dark to steal the roses. So he had gone through the rose garden and brought this big beautiful bouquet of roses. • HIRSCH - Do you remember that our backyard had roses planted by my father? • TINER - Just back to yards for a minute Ottie Russell had a China Berry tree in her side yard and we used to climb the China Berry tree. Do you remember that? We used to have China Berry fights and they are green and hard and when they get ripe they kind of shrivel up and they are yellow and they hurt like the dickens when you get hit with one. • CASHION - At the Northgate at the Aggieland Pharmacy most of the soda jerks were students. I asked them what kind of ice cream they had and this guy said he had some China Berry ice - cream. I said they do not make ice cream out of China Berries. I mean, I knew better than that because I had tasted them, but he said if you will bring me some China Berries I will make you some China Berry ice - cream. So the next day I took him a bucket of China Berries and he said come back tomorrow and I will give you some China Berry ice - cream. So I went back the next day and sure enough he gave me an ice -cream cone it had green all in it you know and later on I found out it was tootie fruity. • HIRSCH - Well I remember something and I was wondering if it was right. There was a hex on the football team because they could not win in Austin. and everybody burned candles in their windows trying to break the hex. • LOVE - I remember that and I think they were red candles. • HIRSCH - Nancy, you do not remember that? • TINER - No I don't. • CASHION - Probably did everything in the world trying to beat Texas. • HIRSCH - Everybody was trying to help with that problem because our team did not win in Austin. • LAY - Previously ya'll had mentioned that some of the houses when they were sold or they were closed out so to speak out, sold this kind of thing, what was the reaction of your parents do you recall the reaction of your parents? I think it was in 1939 that they said you had to out by 1941. • CASHION - Something like that. • HIRSCH - I think they were kind of surprised. • TINER - Well, my parents had been planning to build anyway. • CASHION - A number of people had I am sure. 5 • TINER - And I can remember that we had that lot on South Oakwood, quite a while before they actually built the house. So I mean my parents were not upset at all as far as moving off campus. • HIRSCH - And Martha Jane, you moved to Bryan didn't you because you already owned a house . • LOVE - Yeah I already had that house in Bryan, and you all • HIRSCH - We built a house on Walton Drive. • LAY - Let me regress just a minute. Mr. Cashion mentioned that his father worked at the YMCA. Mary Jane what did your dad do? • HIRSCH - My father was a professor of civil engineering, and he had been here since 1920. • LAY - When did he come did you recall? • HIRSCH - He was the class of 'f 10 at A &M, and he came here before I was born. I don't know. He was a bachelor here for a while. So, I do not know how long he lived here and Nancy's father was a very good friend. • TINER - Yes. • HIRSCH - And your father was his best man or he was your father's best man. • TINER - Well your dad I believe was a groomsman in my parent's wedding, and Thurmond Munson and my dad, my dad E.B. Reynolds lived at the bachelor's club. • HIRSCH - That is right, the bachelor's building. • TINER - It was the bachelor's club • HIRSCH - I do not know where it was. • TINER - I do not either but Clarence Braden from Jefferson was also in the bachelor's club, and they lived there. • LAY - Is it just a house they lived in? • TINER - Maybe apartments I am not sure but.. . • CASHION - There were two. One was at the end of Walton Hall on this map. This is our house right here, and this street went down almost to the Northgate on the right of it was a stucco kind of a mini dorm. I think it was called Graduate Hall, and then you go on down and the road turned to the right and the road came out right where the theater is and on the campus side of the street there was another dorm just like this, and I do not know what it was called but mostly graduate students or single faculty members I guess. I know some lived in the third floor of the Y. There were some rooms up there some time before 1939, That stucco building burned one cold January night and I remember my dad stayed up most of the night making coffee for the guys fighting the fire. Dr. Marsh had a barn with a wood shingle roof and he had Koppy the black man up on the barn pouring water on the shingled roof trying to keep it from burning up. • HIRSCH - Well my parents married in 1929, so that is when my parents moved in the house on campus and your family was probably already there. And Martha Jane's mother and my mother are sisters, and they were from Alabama, and Martha Jane's parents had come here and her dad was head of the Math Department and my mother came on the train to visit Martha Jane's mother and she stayed and got a job here. She 6 worked for the exchange store, and then she met my dad, and they married so then they moved into that house and then we moved about 40, I guess 1940. • LAY - Can you tell me about the Shirley? I have a name here is The Shirley the same as the old Aggieland Inn. • TINER - I don't remember that. • CASHION - Never heard of it. • HIRSCH - Remember the Aggieland Inn. • CASHION - What is the name of it again? • LAY - The Shirley. It says tell us about The Shirley, a two story frame building, and the first hotel on campus later called Aggieland Inn. So it must be the same building. The rest called it The Shirley. You do not know it as The Shirley then? • LAY - That was before your time. • TINER - That is right it was, not much is before my time but that was. • CASHION - I do not remember it being The Shirley. • HIRSCH - We used to go eat there occasionally, often on Sunday. • CASHION - Yeah sometimes. • TINER - And it was the only hotel. • CASHION - That is right, they had a nice little coffee shop and the lobby. • LOVE - You could buy a steak for 90 cents. • HIRSCH - Did you ever go to that Casey's Confections down at the Y? • TINER - Oh, Casey's at the Y. • LOVE - Oh, you bet all the time. • HIRSCH - To get ice cream. • LAY - It was Casey's that was quote under the line? In the Y basement? • TINER - Yes. • LAY - And in the basement part of there • HIRSCH - And do you remember the time we sneaked off and set bowling pins for the Aggies? Our mothers really would have gotten on to us for that. • TINER - She and I got in trouble off and on. • LAY - Where was the bowling alley? • CASHION - It was over the swimming pool. • LAY - What do you mean over the swimming pool? • TINER - It was in the basement. • CASHION - In the YMCA of the basement there was a swimming pool and it was the only pool on campus at the time. And they had pool tables and then on one side was Casey's Confectionary and on the other side was a barber shop. The swimming pool did not have a circulation system in it. It was just a big bathtub and about once a week they had to drain the pool and scrub it and fill it up again. The only time my folks, my dad, would let me in the pool was when they were filling it because it was so deep I couldn't stand up. So every time they got ready to fill the pool they had a pipe about that big, that the water came out and we would play in there until it got deep enough • TINER - I don't remember that at all. • HIRSCH - I don't either. 7 • CASHION - Well when they built P.L. Downs Natatorium then there was no need for that pool and my dad as secretary of the YMCA had bowling allies installed over the pool. So they put a floor over the pool and put in four bowling allies. At that time they were the only bowling allies in Bryan/ College Station I guess. • SATHER - So it was put over the pool after it was, went over to the natatorium? • CASHION - Well, right after they built the new swimming pool. The new indoor swimming pool was amazing. They used the same water all the time and did not have to drain it. • TINER - I used to spend hours and hours in it. • CAHION - Oh, absolutely. • LAY - You mean the children had use of the swimming pool as well? • TINER - Oh, you bet. • CASHION - In the summer time for 3 dollars you could buy summer passes. • TINER - Summer pass that is right. • CASHION - And the pool opened at three and closed at six and it opened at seven and it closed at nine. • TINER - And we were there all the time. • HIRSCH - I was always there. • LOVE - Always there. • TINER - I remember there used to be a big line waiting for the pool to open. • CASHION - And it was a big deal if you could be the first one in the pool. • LAY - What else did you do in the summer time? • TINER - Well we played Red Rover and we played hide and seek. We used to ride our tricycles around the block. • LOVE - I can remember something real plainly. We lived next door to the ? ? ?? We had a sleeping porch out on the side of the house and we slept out there in the summertime, but I can remember when they would air out the freshmen and you would hear them running by the porch and I was scared to death for them you know and they would hide in the 99979 garage. and I would listen and wait to hear the paddle, and I was real unedgy about the boy that would get it, but anyway we would listen to that at night, and sometimes they would get caught and they would get paddling. • TINER - They would be out in the garage and my dad would go out and they would lay down on the floor in the living room so the upper classmen could not get them. • HIRSCH - I remember that too. • SATHER - And this was the corps freshman or just the freshmen? • LAY - There were no just the freshman • TINER - It was all corps at that time. • SATHER - OK • TINER - And it was kind of tough to be a freshman in those days. • LOVE - It was tough. • HIRSCH - Well that is interesting I kind of remember that now too. They would hide on our porch. They would have to walk in the gutter the freshman isn't that right • TINER - Yeah they could not walk on the sidewalks. 8 • HIRSCH - They had a white stripe on their sleeve, above the cuff • CASHION - I was in the last class that wore a white fish stripe on their sleeves • TINER - And there was a blue lapel on the uniforms. • CASHION - That was on the jacket. • TINER - But what did the blue denote? Just freshman? • CASHION - No, I think it was ROTC. Everybody except the seniors had, • TINER - Oh, Ok because there were two different uniforms. I mean one had the blue on the lapel and one didn't. • LAY - I am assuming that most of ya'll moved off campus prior to your teenage years, Based on the timing. • HIRSCH - Oh, yes. • LAY - But can you tell us while you were on campus about some of the social activities that went on with your parents or among the students before you moved off campus? • HIRSCH - The parents, our parents, used to dress up in long dresses and have their dinners and they had a dance for the faculty and the students called it The Faculty Struggle. • LAY - Where was that held Mary Jane? • HIRSCH - Sibisa, I guess. • CASHION - One of the things, do ya'll remember the free shows that the YMCA put on? On Sunday afternoon at the old assembly hall, my dad was concerned about gambling and so on and whatever the guys did in the dorms on Sunday afternoons. So the YMCA put on a free show, a movie, and uh anybody who wanted to go could go to the movie and it got so popular that they had to have one at 1 o'clock and they would show it again at 3. But because there was no income the YMCA was paying the bill and they got the cheapest movie they could get. Sometimes they were not even "talkies." • TINER- I can remember seeing it was called "Clive of India." • HIRSCH- I remember that. • TINER- It was black and white and Ronald Coleman maybe played the part but I can't remember. • HIRSCH- Do you remember when they made the movie on campus? • LOVE- Oh yes, I remember that. • LAY - What was it called? • CASHION- "We've Never Been Licked ". • TINER- "We've Never Been Licked." I will tell you something else they put on that assembly hall, it was a fundraiser for that school. My mother directed it and it was a play and it was called The Old School at Hickory Hollow. Mary Jane's dad was in it and I don't remember if your dad was or not, Jimmy • CASHION- Well. I don't think he was but.. . • TINER- Well Ms. Irving played in it, she played the mother and Colonel Ike Ashburn was the baby brother. • HIRSCH- With diapers on. 9 • TINER- It was commencement. They did it two different times. He wore pink rompers and carried a bottle, that is when he had big glass milk bottles and they put a nipple on a milk bottle and your dad as I remember he brought an old fashion lard bucket. END OF TAPE ONE SIDE A • CASHION - They get on the train and go to Bryan and tum out the schools in Bryan. They had those programs like that periodically. I do not know whether they did every year or not. There were several I remember, the one you were talking about, but there were several before that I guess for the same reason, to have benefits. • TINER- Yeah to make money. I remember Marty Carow was the bad party and he brought his chicken and as I remember it was recitation day and they would get up and recite something, when Marty Carow of through he took this big old chicken and just threw it at the audience and it flew up and roosted on one of the beams up in the ceiling of the hall, but they made quite a bit of money off everybody. Everyone wanted to come see Colonel Ike in those rompers. • LAY - Where was the old assembly hall located? • CASHION - You know where the All Faith's Chapel is now. They tore the Assembly Hall down to build All Faith's Chapel. • HIRSCH- It was just a big old building wasn't it? • TINER - And they had, the Presbyterian church had Sunday school in the basement. • CASHION - Undemeath the stage. • TINER - Right, for years until they got their own building. • CASHION - First before we had that we were under the stage at Guion Hall, and we went to Sunday school there; it was a union Sunday school it was not a Presbyterian Sunday school. I have Sunday school pins for attending 6 or 7 years without missing Drew Thornton has the record. I think he went about 14 years. It was a Union Sunday school. On the pin it has union Sunday school. There were several denominations of kids that went to that Sunday school. • TINER- Well the Methodist had their own church. • HIRSCH- Yeah we went. • CASHION - I am sure the Baptist had their own. • HIRSCH- Did you go to the Methodist church? • TINER- Yes, and it was cold and drafty in the winter time, I can remember sitting in the Sunday school room and it being cold. • LAY - Ya'll that lived on the campus where did you get groceries and things of this nature. What was the nearest grocery store at that time? • HIRSCH - Well our mothers called the grocery store and they would say do you have any tomatoes today how about this or that. They would deliver it. • TINER - They would deliver ice cream. They had two deliveries a day too. They would deliver in time to cook lunch and then for supper. Charley's and Luke's were the closest. • CASHION - There was a grocery store right across the street from the exchange store on the campus; the Aggieland grocery store. there was another grocery store at the Northgate, Luke's and Charlie's. Luke Patranella and Charlie Operstemy. I do not 10 know what is there now Kinko's or right behind Lupout's on College Main. I remember a funny story. The Presbyterian preacher was Norman Anderson and his oldest daughter was a year older than me and we were in Sunday school in Guion Hall. Our assignment was to learn the books of the Bible and to recite them. • TINER- I know what is coming. • CASHION - Teeny Anderson was the first to recite and she said, "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Charley." • TINER- We used to do the same thing. • TINER- Now Luke and Charlie separated. • CASHION - Right and Luke built a grocery store at the east gate and Charlie operated that grocery store. • TINER- Now at one point Luke's was over there on that side street right across form Holik's and Charlie's was up there by the variety store which faced, What is that now? • CASHION - University Drive, then they combined and then they separated. When they finally separated I think Charley was back in the original place by the variety store. • HIRSCH- You tell me your mother used to order ice cream. • LOVE - That was in Bryan on Sunday she would call Canady's Drug Store and order hand pack ice cream and they would bring it to you. • HIRSCH- Those were the days. • CASHION - That is the only way you could get them to carry out was to pack it and put it in those white cartons for a quart of ice cream. • HIRSCH - I remember we used to go to the creamery you know which was right across the railroad tracks. • CASHION - We used to in September. When students would report, all the freshman had to take a physical exam just like the army and they would line up in front of the hospital, and they would be there for the whole day. Red and I used to go down to the creamery to get those little dixie cups of ice cream and we would get maybe a dozen or so because it was in September they melted and we take them up there and would sell them to the guys in line and then we would go back and get some more and we did not have a way to pack it so we couldn't take very many at a time because they would melt. But we did not have any trouble getting rid of them you know we would buy them for about I think 3 cents and sell them for a nickel. • LOVE- Businessman way back then. • LAY - Can any of you tell us about the fish tank? • HIRSCH - Let me say one more thing about groceries just a second. Milk was delivered to our house and it was raw milk from the campus creamery. • LAY - It was a swimming hole over where Easterwood Airport. • CASHION - Yeah it was something like that. • LAY - Was that before ya'lls time? • CASHION - No, it was not before my time I never did spend much time over there. • TINER- Everything we did was where we could walk to. • LAY - That is not the same thing as clay pits it is? 11 • CASHION - No the clay pits were on Welborn Road. I do not know what kind of a lake it was I do not even know what happened to it. They drained it when they built the airport. They must have. I never did spend much time there. Part of the problem was transportation. About the time I got to be a teenager I moved off. We moved off the campus when I was in the eighth grade and the war started pretty soon after that and gas rationing and anything to help trying. There was not much transportation around here till after World War II. I can still remember the inner urban street car that ran between Bryan College Station. It turned around right there by the hospital by our house. • TINER- And then they put in the buses. • CASHION - And they put the buses in. • TINER - Used to catch them right there by the old school building and across from like Anchor Hall • LAY - Did any of ya'll ever ride down the ramps at Kyle Field on our tricycles or bicycles? • LOVE - I used to ride down the steps at the Administration Building • TINER- and we used to do that on skates. • LOVE - I don't ever remember doing it on skates. I did it on the tricycle. Do you remember the tree house we had? • CASHION - I thought the A &M stadium was the biggest stadium was the biggest in the world. • LAY - Where was the tree house? • TINER - In the William's back yard. What was it a hackberry tree? • LOVE- I don't remember what it was. • TINER- You and my sister, Rosalyn, and Ruth Williams and maybe, I think it was just the three of you anyway. You had taken Mrs. William's hog nail pitcher up there filled with lemonade. I can remember my sister and everybody was scared to death they were going to drop the pitcher. Ms. Williams used to play a lot of bridge and I think Luiza who was the maid used to take care of you all. • LOVE - You know I think all the women on campus had help. There was a house in the back of each one of those houses. • CASHION - A servant house behind the house. • TINER - Ours did not live there, but we had two. We had a cook and we had a wash woman I mean there were one or two people there all the time. • LAY - So most of the people who lived on campus had some kind of help with the house or cooking. • HIRSCH- Paid them five dollars a week. • LOVE- I can remember that. • LAY - And most of them lived there on the campus as well? • CASHION - Some of them had access to these, they weren't houses, they were about as big as just one room. Some of them were in use and some of them were just vacant. • HIRSCH- Is that where they lived? • CASHION - Well, I don't think they lived I think they just stayed. Most of them lived off Wellborn road and they would come in during the week. 12 • TINER- There was a whole section down there a road that came in sort of by Hrdlika's. There was a road down there where a lot of them lived. • LOVE- Well how did the maids get here? • CASHION - I guess they walked. • TINER- Our's used to walk or either ride, we had one named Elnora. I think she used to catch a ride with someone that worked on campus in the mornings and then we would take her home at night. • CASHION - It never occurred to me to wonder how they got there. • HIRSCH- And you said they took food. • TINER- Yeah. Mother would give Elnora food and she would take it to all of her friends. • LAY - Did I understand you, there were three basic housing areas on campus? One in the vacinity of where the Memorial Student Center is now, one in the vacinity where the old hospital was, and the other one down near the power plant area. The power plant area those were basically the maintenance workers who did various things to keep the campus running so to speak. Where as the administrators lived in the other two areas. Is that correct? • TINER- There was one other street there too, where the farm workers lived. • CASHION - I know Betty Jo Hale's folks had a house at the F &B Station. And let's see somebody lived at the poultry farm - the Munnerlyn's. • HIRSCH- That is right and the Killoughs lived out there. • CASHION - The ones that worked on the college farms generally had houses at the location where they worked. • TINER- Now there was an area right there where the Corps center is now. The head of the Experiment Station. Dr. Connor lived there. Two big houses with big inset porches. I am trying to think who else lived there. • CASHION - There were two big blocks on the drill field and there were houses all around that block and there was space in the middle. You can see it on this picture pretty well. Here is the drill field the Memorial Student Center sits right here now. Here were these houses and across from that street the Dunn's lived back here and the Jone's lived on that street right here didn't you. • TINER- I am talking about what was the Stactmore. They built that house for Cribb Gilchrist. • CASHION - Over beyond Guion Hall they have the Boltons and the Winklers and the Williams, DW Williams. • HIRSCH- No, they lived on our block. • TINER- He lived next door to us well not far from us. At one point somebody moved over to this other street. • CASHION - Several people moved. For instance the Frank Andersons moved several times depending on when his job changed. • TINER- Over on this corner here there used to be a great big two story Italianate. They used it during W.W.II like for a rec. center when they were training the NTAC the ones that came in to learn the electronics and everything and they used that kind of 13 like a USO type thing. And then they just tore it down. They did not even move it off campus because it was plaster. • CASHION - Bill Lancaster and I were talking about that house and we were trying to figure out. We finally figured out who it belonged to but I can't remember. • TINER- And I tell you there was another house there and it was a frame house and the Holzmanns lived in it and when Wilma Holzmann married Bert Nowotny from New Braunsfels, Bert Nowotny, I believe, was the drum major of the Aggie Band but Wilma married him on the side yard and the Aggie band played the wedding march. Oh it was quite an affair. It was a long wedding. a garden wedding. • LAY - Where did ya'll get your medical attention when you were young? • CASHION - I got mine at the hospital. I remember one time I threw a basketball at Red it went through his hands and hit him in the head. Knocked his head back and cut a big gash in in his head while we were at the Y. He was bleeding like everything. I took him to the hospital and "Mom" Cleghorn sewed him up. We did not think anything about it. We would go to the hospital before we would go home. • SATHER- Was that on campus? • LAY - It was on campus. • TINER- I can remember going up there for typhoid shots • CASHION - I think at one time the hospital was for faculty as well as students, and things began to change and they said the faculty could no longer use the hospital. • TINER- No, we used to go to Bryan to Dr. Black. • HIRSCH- Yeah. • LOVE- Dr. Black and Dr. Olive, and then Dr. Grant. • CASHION - Dr. Andre had a clinic, Yeah Dr. Woodard and Dr. Andre • HIRSCH- and the doctors came to your house if you were sick. • TINER- Oh, yeah. • CASHION - Red and I were both born at home. • HIRSCH- On the campus? • CASHION - We did not go to the hospital, and we lived right across the street from the hospital. Dr. Marsh lived next door. • TINER- I remember some of the things they used to do to you. If you had a sore throat they mopped your throat with mercurochrome. • CASHION - Iodine. • HIRSCH- Wonder they did not kill us. • TINER- and if we had an earache and I can remember, I had a lot of earaches as a child. Dr. Black used to come to the house when it would be hurting so bad and they would lance your eardrum. Well it felt a lot better after they did it though because it relieved the pain. • HIRSCH- Remember when we had the whooping cough at the same time and they wouldn't let us play? • TINER- You remember the time we made the big mud thing. She and I had matching white dresses and after church one Sunday we went out under our Mulberry tree to play and someway or another we got a hold of the hose and we mixed up this huge mud puddle and painted our dresses, and when my mother discovered it. 14 • HIRSCH- Ottie Russel discovered us. • TINER- Was it Ottie? • HIRSCH- Yeah. • TINER- But we got put in the bathtub and I my mother said it took 6 tub loads to even get us to where we looked decent, but we did not get a spanking. • HIRSCH- We didn't. • TINER- No, we didn't • HIRSCH- I remember Ottie Russell and Dan Russell - They were like our second parents, and Ottie went AAAAOO. They were wonderful people. • TINER- Well Dan used to put us in his pick up truck and just take us out riding. He would take us down to the Navasota River. We went down and looked at Lock and Dam one time. Do you remember that? • HIRSCH- Sort of. A little bit. • TINER- OK You and Thurmond I think went a lot of the time. • HIRSCH- Do you remember going over to see the trains come in? • LOVE- Yeah, I remember watching the trains come in. • HIRSCH- That was what we did for fun. • TINER- For entertainment. • LAY - Was there a special train that came through here? • TINER- You bet. • LAY - What was that called? • TINER- The Sunshine Special. • CASHION - We had the best train service in the world. We had six passengers trains that came through here daily. There was one from Dallas to Houston in the morning and one from Dallas to Houston in the afternoon. • LAY - Do you remember what that was? • HIRSCH, TINER, CASHION- The Sunbeam. • CASHION - The Sunbeam and then the same train went from Houston to Dallas morning and night. And then there was the Owl that came through from Houston to Dallas in the middle of the night. • LOVE- Trains kept us entertained. • TINER- Well I can remember that one time and I can't remember where the wash out was but there was some kind of wash out somewhere and they rerouted the Burlington Zephyr through here. • HIRSCH- I remember that. • TINER- And they told everbody it was coming and everybody turned out and watched the Burlington Zephyr go by. • LAY - What did it look like? • HIRSCH- It was silver. That is all I can remember. • CASHION - The Sunbeam was orange and red. • TINER- Yes it was. • CASHION - And the Burlington Zephyr was silver but otherwise they looked about the same. • HIRSCH- But if we heard an airplane we would rush out. Oh look, look, look. 15 • TINER- We were real easy to please in those days. • CASHION - It did not take much to entertain us. • TINER- No it didn't • LOVE- I remember someone asked me one time, what did ya'll do in the older days? • LAY - What else did you do besides watch the trains come in, airplanes and play in mud piles? • LOVE- We entertained ourselves. • HIRSCH- We did we played. We didn't have TV or any of that distraction. • LOVE- We made cookies. • HIRSCH- We did. • TINER- We used to play football in your front yard. • HIRSCH- We entertained ourselves. • CASHION - In the summertime they had what they call, I can't think of the name of it. I was a softball league and there were several teams. 1 know the faculty had a team and the campus cleaners had a team, the Aggieland Pharmacy. There were several teams and they were sponsored to the extent that they had on T -shirts that were the same. And the bases were just wooden boards. Oh it was called the Twilight League because they played late in the afternoon during the summertime and that would be about the only time it would begin to cool off and that was great fun to watch the softball games in the summertime. Besides that we were in the swimming pool most of the time. • TINER -I was just going to say when my sister and I were talking about what we did on a summer day, immediately everybody said we went swimming I stayed in that pool continuely. I mean our fingers all shriveled up. • HIRSCH- Mine did too. • TINER- And we had so much chlorine in our eyes. • CASHION - I had to take a nap from 1 to 3. • HIRSCH -I remember my mother would tell me not to go to the deep end of the pool because she was very afraid for me and so I would start watching the clock about 5 o'clock and when I would see her go in those stairs upstairs they had seats. They had stands up there I would quickly go off the diving board and swim underwater to the shallow end. • TINER- When we first started out swimming we were so little most of us couldn't swim. • HIRSCH- We had to walk through some kind of stuff. • TINER- They had a foot bath that you had to walk through to keep from getting athlete's foot. Do you remember? And we had to shower. • HIRSCH- And you had to wear a cap. • TINER- You had to wear a swimming cap. • HIRSCH- It was kind of like chlorox sometimes. And if you had a sore place you couldn't go in, and the kids would try to hide it from Coach Adamson. The sore place. He was very particular. • TINER- You remember Petey Yarnell. Do any of you remember him? • CASHION - Who? 16 • TINER- Petey Yarnell, a little bitty boy. The Yamells lived out.. . • CASHION - They lived out in what is now the.. . • TINER- What is it now Highway 60, out that way. Well Petey was going to do a back flip or something off the low diving board. • LOVE- Oh boy. • TINER- And he did a somersault. He went up in the air and did it, but he did not project himself out far enough and he came down on his head on the end of that diving board and then fell in the water. And immediately, I think 10 people jumped in and he came up all by himself and was real irritated that anybody had noticed him. He had hit his head, but I am not sure he could even swim at that point. • HIRSCH- You know that was such a safe place to go because they watched us and they made sure we behaved, and we thought that was ok. • LOVE- I really think that we had the ideal conditions. • CASHION - Oh it was absolutely the best place to grow up in the world. • LOVE- Just perfect. And really and truly everybody was pretty much equal. • TINER- On the football business when we used to play football out in your yard there used to be a little black boy who worked for Holick cleaners who used to deliver clothes and he would come along with two or three bags, hangers, of cleaning that he was delivering on down. • HIRSCH- Did he walk? • TINER- Yeah he walked. He wasn't very old maybe 10 or 11 years old and if we were playing football he would stop and hang the cleaning on the tree and play football with us for a little while and then he would pick up his cleaning and take it off. He loved to play football. • HIRSCH- Remember the Aggie football games, when all the people came through our yard and stopped and asked for water? • TINER- Oh, yes. For Thanksgiving we never knew who was going to show up for dinner. • HIRSCH- That is right. • TINER- I mean these people, you know as aquaintances and all of a sudden they would knock on your door you know about an hour before the game. • CASHION - There really weren't many places for people to eat. • TINER- or stay, that is right. • CASHION - My dad was bad about if he had a visitor on campus bringing him home for dinner without telling my mother you know. • TINER- That was always bad. • CASHION - But there just wasn't any places and if they were going to eat I guess the Aggieland Inn was the only place at one point or maybe Casey's Confectionary. • TINER- There was a little hamburger place over at Northgate but not where you would take company. • CASHION - Well, Pop Shaw had that hamburger place on campus, you remember, Papa Shaw's Hamburgers. They sold them for a dime a piece or three for a quarter. 17 • TINER- Well, there was one over there it would be sort of where the Dixie Chicken is maybe. It was real long; it just had bar stools. I can't remember the lady's name, my husband would remember it because he used to eat in there. • CASHION - Well Ms. Pool used to run one of them. • TINER- I am trying to think Really good hamburgers though. • CASHION - I was going to say as far as the football game was concerned when we would play Rice or SMU they would have a special train • TINER- A special train came in, yep. • CASHION - They would bring the train down and stop it right adjacent to the stadium and everybody get off and walk over to the stadium and they would turn the train around and when the game was over everybody would leave the stadium get on the train and go back to Houston. • HIRSCH- That is right. • TINER- And many times the visiting bands would come down Clarke street I can remember seeing the Baylor Bear come by. The pony from SMU. One year the bear came by and everybody thought the bear was bleeding, but what had happened was the Aggies had gotten him after he got off the train and they had painted one side of him white and the other side maroon. And the maroon side looked like the poor bear was bleeding you know. • HIRSCH -You know the Aggies used to have the bonfire by just getting whatever they could and just piling it on the drill field and I remember my father used to put wood out in our front yard so they could steal it. • TINER- Our yard furniture went one year. • LAY - Unintentionally? • TINER- Oh they just took it. It finally got to where my dad would lock it in the garage before the bonfire • HIRSCH- That is so different now. • LAY - Did any of your family or friends that you know of where, speaking primarily would be women I think would attend A &M during that time when it was all males? • TINER- Now I can remember, I think before it became co -ed the daughters of the faculty could go but just during the summer as I remember. • CASHION - I think so just during the summer. It was a little bit different in the summertime. • LOVE- Was that when we lived on the campus? • TINER- Part of it was. And then later on I think some of the Bonham girls went to summer school. • CASHION - I guess a lot of people went to summer school, but I do not know if anybody graduated. • HIRSCH- I have seen pictures. • LOVE - If you went to college just summer time it sure would take you long to graduate. • LAY - Do you recall the visitor Franklin Roosevelt? • TINER- Yes absoulutely, and my brother has a picture of that. Actually his son in Houston. 18 • CASHION - He brought his own touring car. • HIRSCH- We did not know he couldn't walk. That was before the war. • TINER- Do you have pictures of that? • LAY - No, I don't. • CASHION -'36 or '37. • LAY - My notes say he came in about 1937. • CASHION - That is about right. • TINER- Well we can still get you a picture. • CASHION - because I still lived on campus I remember that. • HIRSCH- I remember that too. • LAY - Do you remember any of the things which were happening then? • LOVE- It was what year? • HIRSCH- '37. • CASHION - I do not remember why he came unless he was campaigning. I guess they probably had a review for him. • HIRSCH- They did and I heard this story they scared him to death when the horses charged you know the horses would jump. • TINER- Wait a minute are you talking about Roosevelt? • HIRSCH- Yeah. • TINER- Well, W. Lee O'Daniel I think he is the one that turned around and ran. He did not stop until he was back between McQuillen's and the D. W. Williams' house before they caught him. • CASHION - It was more than likely a political campaign for him, but I don't remember why he was here that time. • TINER- But I do remember W. Lee O'Daniel when he came. And they did not have the review. There was no reviewing stand really, he just stood on the ground. And at the end of the review the calvary pulled out all of their sabers and they charged you know all the way across the field. They drew up just in front of the reviewing stand. Well when W. Lee O'Daniel saw them coming nobody told him they were going to stop and he turned around and ran. He ran across the street and back between the McQuillen's and the D. W. Williams' before somebody got a hold of him. • LOVE- He was the governor of Texas. • TINER- He was governor at the time. • LOVE- Wouldn't you like for your name to be Ima Hog and Ura Hog? • HIRSCH- No that is terrible. It is cruelty. Oh Thurmond, my brother, is writing about the school Mister Palmer was our principal. He was the strongest; he spanked boys with an electric driven automatic board (the children thought). • LOVE- He spanked a little boy when I was in school on the black board. He held him by his hands and feet and swumg him against it. • TINER- Oh. • LOVE - That is the gospel truth and D.W. Williams had him fired. • HIRSCH- We were scared to death of him. • LOVE- He was big great big. • LAY - Was there a high school on campus at that time too? 19 • TINER- Yes. • LAY - So all eleven grades were taught on campus? • TINER- Yes. • CASHION - Until they moved off. • TINER- Was it Pfiffer Hall? • CASHION - Yes, Pfiffer Hall • TINER- That was the name of what was the high school. They condemned Pfiffer Hall. • CASHION - Well it was condemned before it was the high school. • TINER- That is right. • CASHION - Before it was the high school. • TINER- I mean they were still going to high school when that building was condemned. • LAY - We talked for a good long time and we have covered lots of things. Are there other things you can think of that you that you might want to • HIRSCH- The college had a museum with a mummy in it. Do you remember that? • TINER- Yes, because we used to go see the mummy • LOVE- I do not remember that. • TINER- Yes, it was down there it was little brick, kind of yellow brick building. • HIRSCH- Kind of in front of the campus. • CASHION - It was the across the street from where the Langford Architecture Center is now, I believe. • TINER- Yeah, that's right. • HIRSCH- When you were here, it was there? Did you ever hear a lion growl? Martha Jane's brother told me he can remember a zoo. • CASHION - They had a zoo. • TINER- Yes they did. • CASHION - Well let me see, you would go to the creamery, go around the creamery and go about a block down and turn right and there was a little lake called Zoo Lake, and right across the street they had a little zoo. They had lions. Kind of like the exotic animals they have now over there near the old F &B station. And yeah they had a lion and I know that the Zoo Lake was where YMCA had a little cabin and where my dad had steak fries everynow and then and it was right across the street from the zoo. • LOVE- You are class of'53? • LAY- Yes ma'am. You remember a lot of this • HIRSCH- I heard the funniest story about Bob Galloway. It was hilarious. He came to A &M in 1938. He came here as a student. And it is a long story but he lived in Navasota. He was a freshman in 1938 and he said a great big truck came by and got 400 freshmen and took them to Navasota and they needed four hotels. • CASHION - Well you know just before the war during the Depression they built the project houses you know. • TINER- Oh yeah. • CASHION - And there were project houses in Navasota and they would just sign any sort of a building that would house students and all the students from a certain area 20 like a county or town would get together and live in a project house. They would just contribute whatever they could. Either produce or money or whatever they could contribute in order to live. And they did bring them by truck from Navasota to campus to go to school and then they would go back to Navasota because that is where the house was. Later the college built some project houses do you remember? Before they built those it was kind of like the fraternities do now. They just find them some house that can house several students and rent it. In some cases I think people just let them use it because they couldn't keep them up otherwise. But all the maintence work on the campus, mowing yards and that sort of thing was done by students. I am not talking about the houses but I am talking about just on where there was a lawn. One of the things I remember is that there were several places you couldn't go barefooted. Because the goatheads were so bad, • TINER- The stickers were so bad. • CASHION - Now there were some places that you could go, now you could because either the goatheads were worn out • TINER- There used to be a lot of goatheads down by the tennis courts. • CASHION - Anywhere that people didn't really spend a lot of there was not a lot of traffic is where they were going to grow and you had to be careful. You get in the middle of them and you couldn't get out. But the college did not spend a lot of money on beautifying the campus. • TINER- Buildings and grounds. • HIRSCH- Here is the first of that. • SATHER- What was the last question Bill asked you? Do you remember? Its got a list here. Was it to explain roller skating and riding horses and all that kind of stuff? • LOVE- Well we talked about that earlier. • TINER- Listen the cavalry had, we would take riding lessons. I took riding lessons. • LOVE - I did too. • TINER- And, we used to go ... I am trying to remember where the horse barns were, where the stables were. Jock Berens was the.. . • LOVE- Yeah that is. • TINER- Is that the one that taught you? • LOVE - The one that taught me I think was seargent somebody. • HIRSCH- That was English style right? • LOVE- Yep. • TINER- It was a Sargent Beatty. • LOVE- I do not remember. • SATHER - And were there North and Southside kids on campus? Was there any rivalry or anything like that? • TINER- No, uhuh. • CASHION - There wasn't much rivalry. Later on there was sort of a rivalry between the kids that lived on campus and the ones that lived in College Park. I remember we were going to have a war. • SATHER- Evidently somebody had said there was some water fights and stuff like that. 21 • CASHION - Well we were going to have a big war and all the campus kids congregated in Dr. Marsh's barn and waited on the attack but it never did come. We would up at the football field. • HIRSCH- I do not remember that. • CASHION - Well I was about seven years old. • TINER- I can remember the reviews though that they used to have. And we used to go up there and crawl up in the trees • HIRSCH- That was so much fun... and sit and watch the reviews. That is when they still had the horse drawn casions • TINER- I remember that. • CASHION - I used to love to go to yell practice. • TINER- Oh yes. • CASHION - They had yell practice on the Y steps. • TINER- On the steps of the Y. • CASHION - And the Hackberry tree there was the perfect for perching • HIRSCH- Can you imagine those kids up there in the trees watching all that stuff. • TINER- We crawled up those live oak trees and watched the reviews. • CASHION - But it is the safest place in the world. • TINER- That is right. • CASHION - I mean the worst that could happen would be to fall out of the tree because nobody is going to bother you. • TINER- Betty Potter fell out of a tree one time. • HIRSCH- - It was off the garage. • CASHION - I guess everybody fell out of a tree at one time. • TINER- Fell off and broke her arm wasn't it. • LOVE- I did not even get hurt. I hit the peach tree. • HIRSCH- So we would crawl on the garage and jump off. • TINER- That is right. That is what we did for fun. • HIRSCH- Did you jump off the lower edge or the peak? • LOVE- Well I was going down it very, very fast. The plans were that I was supposed to stop and I was talking to Ruth and I was suppose to grab the limb of the tree, but I got to talking to her and I forgot about the limb. I was real surprise I was still together when I came down. • LAY - Are there some other things that you remember happening on the campus that you want to share? • TINER- I can remember the firemen short courses that they used to have in the summer. Do you remember that? • LOVE - The firemen short courses? • TINER- The firemen short courses and they still have the firemen short courses I guess but at that time they did not have all of these summer classes like they do now or not near as many I remember they used to come in from all over everywhere and they would have fire engines and it was really big to go out there. You do not remember that. • LOVE- I did not realize that. 22 • TINER- They would drive around in them all the time. • HIRSCH- When was this? • TINER- Oh, it was when we were still living on campus. • HIRSCH- But I remember if we heard a fire whistle we would pick up the phone, and we would say, "Operator where is the fire." Oh, it is over in the horse barn but they have put it out. • TINER- And there was an eight o'clock whistle. • HIRSCH- Oh the whistles. • LOVE- I forgot. • HIRSCH- You remember that. • TINER- And a twelve o'clock whistle and a one o'clock whistle and a five o'clock whistle. • LOVE- I had forgotten that. • SATHER - From the fire house or whatever you want to call it from? • TINER- No it was from the power plant. It was just to tell everybody to move. • HIRSCH- Eight o'clock was time to go to work and noon they blew it and you went home and ate lunch. The men came home for lunch and we did too usually. You know when Earl Rudder became president he said this is no factory get rid of that whistle. • TINER- Is that when they stopped the whistle? • HIRSCH- That is right. • CASHION - Who said that? • HIRSCH- Earl Rudder. • CASHION - I remember when they got rid of the whistle. • TINER- I mean if you were suppose to be home at five o'clock and you were somewhere else and you heard that whistle you ran like the dickens to get home. Before it quit blowing. • CASHION - There was a guy named George Bren that used to played with us. He was a little bit older and his daddy worked for the building grounds and he lived out here across Texas Avenue. Cooner Drive something like that. And no matter what was happening if the whistle blew he just turned broke and ran towards the barn. The utility barn because he could get over there in about three minutes running hard, and if her knew if he got there with in five minutes he could catch a ride home with his daddy. Otherwise he had to walk all the way home. No matter what was happening if the whistle blew he just turned and ran. • LAY - We have certainly covered lots of interesting things today, and I hope if you think of other events which occurred that you didn't think of today you might jot them down and send them in to us. We can always include these things in there. We appreciate each one of you taking your time off today. Especially you Martha who came from Okahoma, to be with us today. I hope you have enjoyed this as much as the rest of us have. I always enjoy these sessions because I learn more about what used to go on. • LOVE- I would like to hear your stories of your childhood. • LAY - You will have to wait for that. Thank you, thank you each of you so much. 23 City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project This is 3,g Ly . Today is qe__ / �' /796( (month) (day) (year) I'm interviewing for the / ' time t , CL (Mr., Mrs. ) W-) Mrs c) Le u -e 'Zile', Miss, Ms., Dr., Etc.) This interview is taking place in Room ,/4 of The 0 4/4 - CV e4-t. } f at 1300 George Bush Dr. College Station , Texas . This interview is sponsored by the Historic Preservation Committee and the Conference Center Advisory Committee of the City of College Station, Texas. It is part of the Memory Lane Oral History Project. Have each person introduce themselves so their voice is identifiable on the tape recorder. The City of College Station, Texas Memory Lanes Oral History Project INTERVIEW AGREEMENT The purpose of The Historic Preservation Committee is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of the tape - recorded interview. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews become part of the archives of The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee to be used for whatever purposes may be determined. I have read the above and voluntarily offer my portion of the interviews with: / (Name of Interviewee) 1. ,,t4 , J 6L a_ (re c, s r� c /d / 2. Pr/ // J a i1 Pa✓7 8. 3. Mary Jet vt h1 u kt S a- 9. 4 . J am e< Q - h /e 1 - , 10. 5. 6. 7. 11. 12. In view of the scholarly value of this research material, I hereby assign rights, title, and interest pertaining to it to The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference ter A v'sory Committee. Interviewer (sigr(ature) Date /, /77. F- /2, / c isy Interviewer (Please Print) I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. Signature ��y� oe Inte ieweer a/4 J 16 , (_®�, � ee 1.� =�-��. - a�4 � Place of L $terview HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET Interviewer (Please Print) List of photos. documents, mans. etc. 1 a r4L. Jan Pel t /Pi Led -e Interviewee (Please print Signature of c -tfter Name Address Telephone Date of Birth Place of Birth Date Initial /■ INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress b/ Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. II 1 & W�e c" t . \ s c e Interviewee (Please print) ature of . Interviewee . 13,// /ay Interview (Pease Signature gt Inte iewer //e altO Place of Interview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. Print) • Name 01, A`f 9 0- 49UVU94 e-f . h�f GM , �C 7g0Q Addre s G c4- '7 ¢ - 4-1 al Telephone Date of Birth iD /it Place of Birthl e S ?7c e /{-¢M u�} INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed Date Initial In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. Intervd:ewer (Plea Print) L /J , signature 9f interviewer Place of Interview List of photos. documents, mans. etc. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET /i/(0 rview-e (Pleas pri Signa of • Name /,? /e2 Address 4Zjl .e 7x 7 / f (J Telephone %yam' - 8aZ3 Date of Birth 44/247/3/ Place of Birth la)/ INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. / /. / -/ Date 7` / Initi I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. t c.+ - . l a,r.. o L � 17 vi d � T i;' Interviewee (Please print) / Signature e Name Wen en S . Deo sci ✓ r Address ec}(I zh kg_ siczfto TX c"4 o Telephone 4c4/60-/q/9"" Date of Birth Mc/ 7 . ( L.- Place of Birth is rYah, rx . /Ji g// L // Interviewer (Please Print) signature /of Interviewer - &Jae P1 ce of Interview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed Date Initial In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city.