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Early Transportation 4 -16 -96
Oral History -Bill Lay
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Dr. Skrabanek: I am Robert Skrabanek but most people call me "Bob ". I grew up in
Snook which is approximately 15 miles from College Station on what is now Highway 60.
My earliest memories of travel in and around College Station are about 1926, when our
family traveled to Bryan once or twice a year in our Model T Ford, but we never went
through College Station. The road between Snook and College Station was a dirt road in
1926. It was a narrow one -lane road with many crooks and turns that got us to the
Brazos River, which had a level we went over to cross the Brazos River bridge. The
bridge was located probably about one -half mile north of today's bridge on Highway 60. I
believe one of the piers of the old bridge is still visible today. The old bridge had a
wooden surface and was so narrow that only one car could use it at one time. So if I saw
a car approaching us from the Brazos County side, or it got to the bridge first, we had to
wait until it crossed and then it was our turn. The road on the Brazos County side was no
better than on the Burleson County side. It had many twists and turns, some even at 90
degree angles, much if it in deep sand with one set of deep ruts and grass growing freely
between the two car or wagon tracks. If we met a car we had to use one major rut to let
the other car by. Incidentally, the idea of "passing" a car going in the same direction was
unheard of in those days except in an emergency.
Heading from Snook to Bryan, we turned left on what is now Turkey Creek Road,
which ran into the "Fand B" road, which took us to the railroad tracks. These were
located at probably the same location as they are today. Then we took what is South
College Road to about where the "Farm Patch" is now located; then on College Avenue to
Downtown Bryan. College Avenue was the only hard surface road we took between
downtown Bryan and Snook in those days.
Mr. Lay: Do you have any estimate of the number of hours it may have taken?
Dr. Skrabanek: It must have taken at least an hour and probably as much as an hour and
a half, or even two hours to make the trip from Snook to Bryan in those days. Part of this
was due to the slow rate of travel of automobiles, the poor condition of roads, and an
occasional flat which was standard in those days. I don't know how people traveled
directly directly from Snook through College Station and then to Bryan, but it would have
been unusual to go directly to College Station, because there were no banks or businesses
in College Station at which I could have "traded ". At least until the late 1930s or early
1940s. The other thing I remember about traveling in College Station is that when I was a
Texas A &M student, taxis played a big part in transporting students between Bryan and
the A &M campus. This was in the early 1940s. Taxis did not cruise around to find
customers, but they stayed either at the Northgate post office or the Aggieland Inn, which
was across the street from Sbisa Hall. Another location for them was in front of the old
YMCA building. They normally took as many as 8 or 10 Aggies in one car load at 10
cents a piece and dumped them off at the Palace Theater in downtown Bryan. Then,
going the other way, they picked them up at the Palace Theater and dropped them off at
the Northgate. But I never rode a taxi or bus, because in those days a dime was more than
I could spare from the meager funds I had. The typical mode of transportation for me was
my thumb, as was the case with most Aggies. We never had any problem catching a ride
between Bryan and College Station, because people trusted us to be appreciative,
courteous, and needy.
Mr. Lay: Were going to come back to you again.
Dr. Skrabanek: OK
Mr.Lay: We'll just give the ladies a chance to talk.
Mr. Garner: Well she, she's been here longer that I have. She was back in the 1919's.
Mr. Lay: What your background is in this area and then maybe you can tell us about
some things you want to also, Mrs. Garner.
Mr. Garner: Just, just tell them about when your father started from over there, over
here, that's pretty interesting to me.
Mrs. Garner: My father came to College Station in 1919 from Mississippi State
University to start business. Starkville? , Mississippi. And, he was head, Agricultural
Engineering Department.
Mr. Lay: And who was he please? And what was his name
Mrs. Garner: Daniel Scoates, and, we lived on the campus, as most of the professors did
at that time, and the house we lived in, we moved out, Dr. Billsing moved in, he and his
wife, and that house is still, oh, they moved it offthe campus, Billsing, some of'em, Bill I
guess still owns it, it sits right there on George Bush Drive and, we later had moved off
the campus. I grew up going to school on the campus, and, I had Consolidated school on
the campus.
Mr. Lay: How did you get to school?
Mrs. Garner: Well, we walked.
Mr. Lay: That's early transportation! (Laugh)
Mrs. Garner: It was a mile from where we lived offthe campus to the school and we had
to, children had to walk, we had a cinder path there and sometimes somebody would come
along, pick us up, not very often. I later went to high school in Bryan which I drove
myself, in a Model A Ford, but it was quite a trip to go to Bryan, I think it's... Dr.
Skrabanek said, there was a bus that went in early days in the 20's. We had a trolley car,
we called it a trolley, it was. It went from College to Bryan. Was a fun trip. I can't
remember it cost to ride.
Mr. Lay: Did this trolley ride on rails?
Mrs. Garner: Uh, huh, it ran on rails.
Mr. Lay: Electric car...
Mrs. Garner: Uh, huh. I don't know when they took the trolley off but oh
Mr. Lay: Do you by chance remember which way it went into town?
Mrs. Garner: Yes, I do. I went right down what was College Avenue now.
Mr. Lay: In the street itself?
Mrs. Garner: Uh -huh, in the street and it turned right about where the Bryan City Hall is
now. It turned and went down the main street and uh, ended up, just about where, uh,
across the street from the palace theater, uh. I guess that's 25th street. 26th street. And
uh, that's where you got off but uh, That's about the only transportation there was.
Mr. Lay: Did you recall, or did you mention how you got from Mississippi your um
parents got from Mississippi to over here?
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Mrs. Garner: That's quite a story. We came in a Dodge touring car. And uh, I had a
brother, and a sister, a mother and a father, and, uh, he had a lady that was his secretary in
Mississippi and her husband was going to Mississippi State and he wanted to come with
my father, and so he and his wife and little boy all got in the Dodge touring car and came
to Texas. And got down into Louisiana -I wish I could remember the name of the town
and there was a gulf storm -came in we had to spend several nights there and uh, I think it
was an old house, uh, kind of uh plantation house or something But then the roads were
so bad we couldn't come home, so daddy had to put the car on a flat bed and we had to
come home on a train. Got to College Station, and uh, moved in that house. It was the
last house on Throckmorton Street. Right about where the Koldus house is now, that was
the end of the road, and that's where we lived. On campus, I don't remember too much
about the transportation. Just didn't go many places.
Mr. Lay: We'll let you rest for a minute, and we'll talk to Mr. Garner and let him tell us
some things that he may tell us about himself and also about some things he may know...
Mr. Garner: You don't want to know about me. Well I'm Ed Gamer and I came here in
1934 as a freshman. I got off of that uh... train uh, at 4:49. I'll never forget that as long as
I live. And it was dark and I didn't have any idea where Texas A &M was, I just followed
the boys.
Mr. Lay: Was that 4:49 in the morning?
Mr. Garner: That was 4:49 in the morning. I had one little old metal suitcase and a quilt,
and a little old radio with me and I just followed the group up onto campus. And I got to
Walton Hall and that's where some of 'em went in a slept and I did the same thing They
didn't have any, uh, mattresses on those, the springs, so I just put that quilt down on there
and slept. So, I waked up the next morning, went to Aggieland Inn, which was a little
motel and uh coffee shop, and they had a little dining room in there and I went in there and
had breakfast. I saw all these boys Winning around with that thing on their side... that
leather thing on their side and I just couldn't figure what in the world that thing was. You
thought about somebody country, I was country. In fact I'd never heard of A &M so, uh
my boss, uh, not my real boss, my football coach, was a graduate of A &M and he
suggested that I come to A &M -no money, no nothing. Just a desire I guess to want to
come to A &M, but I did and I spent the next 4 years, 3 1/2 years, working my way
through over at the Aggieland Inn waiting on tables and uh, in 19 uh -this has nothing to
do with transportation though, this is back the ? but anyway, kind of like Dr. Bob here
they had those old uh, taxis that ran around through the campus picking up people and uh,
charging dime as he says and where the post office is up at the Northgate now that's where
people went to get a ride into town, Seniors first, juniors, sophomores, and freshman were
last, and that's how we got to Bryan by pick -up. I never had the dime to go, but they did
have the bus, and it parked there at the YMCA, they had a barber shop down in the
basement of the YMCA. And I'll never forget one Saturday afternoon a bunch of those
boys, as the driver of the bus was sitting in the barber shop, a bunch of those boys
including me got over there and got on that bus and stole that bus and drove it to town,
and parked it there out on the, I believe it was 25th and Main Street. And that's how it,
that was some of the things we did to get to Bryan and back.
Mr. Lay: You mentioned you came on a train Mr. Garner, where did you board the train?
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Mr. Garner: Well, I got on the train, Pm originally from uh, I was born in Chatville,
Texas, a little town out of Corsicana and my dad moved and the family moved to Vernon
in 1919. Vernon is a town about 50 miles on the other side of Wichita Falls going toward
Amarillo. And I got on that Ft. Worth and Denver train one Sunday afternoon I guess it
must have been the 17th of September because I got to College Station on the 18th. I'll
never forget that 18th as long as I live. And uh, came, uh, to uh, Ft. Worth and then they
changed trains, and then that train came on into uh goin' to Houston.
Mr. Lay: Do you have any idea what it cost?
Mr. Garner: I have no more idea than the man on the moon. I, I really don't. I know
that when I got, uh, my bags packed and got on that train I had 375 dollars I'd worked,
picked cotton, chopped cotton, worked in the grocery store, delivered clothes for the
tailor shops and I was going to make not 4 years of education and I know that I had that
and then Monday morning we went over started buying groceries, er, not groceries, but
uh, books, and things. And I spent a hundred and something dollars. I said whoops. I'll
never make it four years, with two - hundred and something dollars. I wrote back home I
said -I guess Pll see you pretty soon cause this here three hundred -and something dollars
won't last long, but it did.
Dr. Skrabanek: I don't intend to interrupt, but Ed owned the Gamer's store you probably
have heard about.
Mr. Garner: That's, that's another long story.
Mr. Lay: Pll give you a break and let you rest a minute and we'll go back to Bob. And
Bob you mentioned you were from Snook and we all here know where Snook is. It's
basically a little farming community, uh was your father a farmer there?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, I grew up on a 50 acre farm in Snook. In those days there were
only two general stores, a blacksmith shop, and two garages in Snook. The rest of us
were farmers.
I was going to add something to what Ed mentioned. The Aggieland Inn was
located immediately west of and right across the street from Sbisa hall, and was owned
and operated by the College. I graduated from Caldwell High School in 1935 at age 16. I
didn't have enough money to go to college, so in 1937 I found out that they were going to
hire people to work in Sbisa hall, not as students, but as full time employees as cooks,
dishwashers, etc. I got a job there and saved money to enter A &M the next year. My job
as a cook at Sbisa Hall paid $45 a month, but we got free room and board. We worked 6
1/2 days a week and had just 1/2 a day off.
Now let me go back to something else. About traveling in those days:
Somewhere in about 1927 or 1928, gasoline prices were about 17 cents a gallon. In those
days, when we gassed up our automobile, there was no electricity, so we depended on
those old hand -type pumps. There was a glass globe on top that contained marks for the
number of gallons purchased. All they could do was eyeball it and give it an approximate
amount of gasoline desired.
Mr. Lay: I was going to ask your father raise crop again how did you where did you
market it and how did you get it to market.
Dr. Skrabanek: All it was done right there at Snook. We had a cotton gin, of course.
Cotton was our cash crop, but then, like all the other farmers, we subsisted on what we
grew in our garden. We also grew enough corn and maize and feedstuff for our livestock
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and work stock. When it came to marketing, my father would sell the cotton right there in
Snook to the ginner unless sometimes he took cotton bales home and took a risk that
maybe the price would go up in the mean time. But even then, he sold the bales to the
ginner. During the depression years I recall that the one of the problems we had was
paying for the land we had bought. My father in 1928 bought a 50 acre farm. At the time
he bought it, cotton was bringing 28 cents a pound. Of course, we borrowed money
several places to do that. Then cotton prices fell very, very drastically. And somewhere in
the thirties, probably about five years later, 1933, it went down to its lowest price of 4 1/2
cents a pound. So we were caught as a family trying to pay for the land we had bought at
a price that we thought that we could pay for it at that time getting 28 cents dropping to 4
1/2 cents. So we had some real tough times, but the people we had borrowed from were
very understanding. By the way, parents were not at all afraid to discuss things with their
kids in those days. We sat around the supper table and talked about how things were. I
remember my dad saying it had been a tough year. We had a good crop but got so little
money for it. The lenders didn't require us to pay anything on the principle, so we just
paid the interest for the year. This has little to do with transportation but it is related to
the way things were in general.
Mr. Lay: You remember when your parents first got that Model T? What year it was?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes I do. It was in 1925 or 1926.
Mr. Lay: I assume that was the first automobile they owned.
Dr. Skrabanek: That's right. And I remember also that the in those days automobiles
were so infrequent on our countryroad that I could hear ours coming at least a mile away
from our home. There was a gap about a quarter of a mile from our house that I would
run to open. I was the baby of the family and I got the privilege to running to and opening
the gap for my dad and he let me get into the car and we rode that automobile all the way
to the house. That was really exciting.
Mr. Lay: You want to tell us youngsters what a gap is?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, but I want to mention something else that was exciting about our
first car. My father had built a small garage just big enough to hold it. When my father
and I got to the house in our very first car, everyone in our family wanted to take a ride in
it. But my father said no, but if you want to, you can get in and I'll drive it into the
garage. So everybody, all seven of us, piled into the car and rode it into the garage at that
time. It was our first ride in the car. But you asked another question and I digressed from
it.
Mr. Lay: You was telling us young folks what a gap is.
Dr. Skrabanek: Our entire land was enclosed by a three or four - strand barbed wire fence.
But, we needed a few places through which we could get in or out of the place when we
needed to. So, a "gap" is a place through which we could do this So, it consisted of
three strands of wire veiled on one side of the fence post. On the other side, the three
strands were tied onto a pole which was attached usually by a hoop to the opposite post.
It could be removed by lifting the hoop and carrying the three strands of wire to the other
side, so a car, wagon, or anything else could go through. When this was accomplished,
the strands were again put back in place.
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Mr. Lay: Before your parents got the automobile and assumed some other vehicle did
how did they get their cotton into the market then?
Dr. Skrabanek: A Wagon
Mr. Lay: By Wagon?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, but the market place was either Snook or Lyons, which had a
cotton buyer that shipped the bale by rail.
Mr. Lay: But if your family were coming to Bryan or College Station in the earlier days
they still came by wagon?
Dr. Skrabanek: No, I don't think so. I don't recall anyone from Snook going to either
Bryan or College Station in a wagon.
Mr. Lay: Ed, you were started your business here in the what? Early forties or what?
Mr. Garner: I bought the... I'll tell you how we bought that store. A fellow by the name
of A.J. Hickman owned that store and the wife's father loaned him the money to start that
book selling business. And he moved that four into the store. And he had not only the
college text books but he also had a lot of school supplies for his grade school and a radio
shop. Well, in his home the rising star and he wanted to move back there because of his
mother's health. And he wrote a letter to the wife's mother asking if any of the kids wanted
to buy that store because he was going to give them the first shot at that store. And the
other two wasn't interested and I was working for the fiscal plant right there at A &M.
And so we went over then and said we were interested. So he said this is the way it is.
He said I got to have ten thousand dollars down and the rest of it you can pay it out by
percentage of sales each month. Well where are we going to get ten thousand dollars? So
we then. ..The banks were open on Saturday until noon. So she and I went to the City
National Bank where we went to see Mr. Johnny Lawrence. And we walk up and down
that bank I guess a half a dozen times until we had enough nerve to go in. And so we did
and his secretary asked us if we want what we could do. And we said, "We want to see
Mr. Johnny " "Well," she said, "he is busy now, so sit down." We wait until the customer
left and she told us that we could see him and he said, "What can I do for you ?" We said,
"We want to borrow some money." He said, "Well, how much money ?" And I said, "A
whole lot of money." And he said, "What do you mean ?" Oh, I'll never forget this
conversation. And I said, "We got to have ten thousand dollars." Mr. Johnny said, "You
do need a lot of money." And that was in '44, and time weren't real good you know, war
was on and a lot of different things were going on. Well, he said, "When do you got to
have it for'?" So we told him, but the man Hickman that owned the store did business with
him and he knew what he was doing. So, he said, "I will take it that we have a meeting on
Monday morning and I'll discuss it with him and I'll call you at the fiscal office." So about
ten o'clock the phone rang and want to talk to me and I he said, "This is Mr. Johnny
Lawrence." And said, "Come and pick up your money." I just cried right there. So we
did and we bought the store in May of'44 something like that and we ran it until '72. And
I sold it to Ted White (Wyatt?) and we still had the Sands Motel up there. And she was
running that and I was running the other so we were did not see each other very much. So
I made a nice deal and got out of there and then we sold that. We bought that out right I
believe in 1960
Mrs. Garner: The Motel?
Mr. Garner: Yeah, and then we ran it we sold it in '85.
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Mr. Lay: How did you get your supplies that you use in your sporting good store?
Mr. Garner: Well, I was down watching them working out basketball one afternoon and
I knew all those coaches down there at A &M and they were all up in there stands. And
there was this man up there is this student name Field Scalble and I'll never forget Field
Scalble. And I went to him and he told me what he was doing. And I started... he got me
on Rawling Sporting Goods direct from the factory and that is how I started really in full
swing of the Sporting Goods business.
Mr. Lay: Did they that stuff in mostly of the by truck or by train?
Mr. Garner: All by truck.
Mr. Lay: All by truck.
Mr. Garner: Because their headquarters is in Dallas. And after that Wilson and Spalding
and they all came in. And I wish I had a penny for everyone of those little league shoes I'd
give them some of those kids over there that didn't have a penny to buy little league shoes.
And we started, Ray Odon and I, really started a little league program out here at A &M.
And for years we ran the concession stand and we didn't....it's a lot of fun and a lot of
heartaches and we had four teams out there, and I sponsored one of them from the start
'tilL I sold the store in '72.
Mrs. Einkauf: Ray, Ray Odon ?...
Mr. Garner: Odon, O- d -o -n. He had the grocery store up there at Southside...
Mr. Lay: Yeah, that's O- d -e -n, wasn't it?
Mrs. Einkauf O- d -e -n.
Mr. Garner: Was it O- d -e -n?
Mr. Lay: Bob, you've been here...
Dr. Skrabanek: Excuse me, Ed, when was the first bank in College Station?
Mr. Garner: That was right next, there was a, right on the corner.
Dr. Skrabanek: I know where it was, but what year did they first start? Luther Jones and
that bunch got together didn't they?
Mr. Garner: He and Herschel Burgess and... well, they sold stock...
Dr. Skrabanek: Yeah, yeah, but do you remember the year it started?
Mr. Garner: But I really can't remember, I know that who was made president of it,
Lamar Flies was president of it. And he was there for a couple or three years and he had a
friend up around Denton that had a big deal, and he was going to buy some of this pipe,
and you know you just didn't get pipe then. But he had the black pipe, it wasn't the
galvanized pipe, it was still the old black pipe and he was going to get rich on it, so he
borrowed... Lamar was a... he was a good friend of Lamar Flies and he loaned him forty -
thousand dollars and Pll never forget that as long as 1 live. And the guy, soon as he got
the forty - thousand dollars, and he took off. So they had to let Lamar Flies go and
Herschal ran it for quite a while.
Dr. Skrabanek: I was just asking a question, you know, I think that you said that the
bank wasn't in existence at that time Excuse me, Bill, you were going to ask me
something and I got us off track.
Mr. Garner: I was going to say you, of course, we grew up in the area, what are your
early recollections of the air transportation here?
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Dr. Skrabanek: I have none, really. I never used air transportation in those days,
probably never flew anywhere before about 1943. And then that was at the U.S. Navy's
expense.
Mr. Garner: I can tell you a little about some of the... since they used to have an airport
right over here a little up in the Dexter Street.
Mr. Lay: Tell us about that Alley.
Mrs. Garner: Well, it really wasn't an airport as such, it was...
Mr. Garner: Place to land.
Mrs. Garner: more of a landing place. Little flag up there, little hangar.
Dr. Skrabanek: And that was on Dexter Street?
Mr. Lay: Where Dexter Street is now.
Mrs. Garner: Well, it was about where, you know where the Gilchrist house was, and
Luther Jones' house, right about there. It was before you got to Holleman. And, planes
would land, not very often. When we were kids, every time we'd hear an airplane, that
was something. We'd take off, run up there. I can remember one day, we ran up there,
and this plane landed, and my brother was crazy about airplanes and this man got off and
he was some victim in Houston, and he had come here to do something, and he said "I'm
going back too." My brother was looking at the airplane and everything, and the man
said, "If your parents will let you, I'm going back to Houston in the morning, and Pm
coming back tomorrow afternoon, and if they would let you, Pll take you with me." So,
they were eager, and so he got ride with this man back to Houston, and he took him to a
library, and left him while he was doing his business and brought him back and that was
really... that must have been in the middle twenties some time.
Mr. Lay: An exciting time for a young man.
Mrs. Garner: It really was, it was exciting for all of us, to get to ride in an airplane. It
taught him about transportation early. Twenties, we didn't have any grocery stores in
College Station. We would go to Bryan on Saturday.
Mr. Lay: This is by car?
Mrs. Garner: By car, had an old touring car, a Dodge touring car. And daddy would
park on Main Street, in Bryan, and would leave the children in the car, and he and mom
would go do whatever. They would go buy groceries, or whatever. That was a pretty big
event. Sit on Main Street and watch the people walk up and down, and he would always
buy us an ice -cream cone, we would sit in the car and eat our ice -cream cone.
Mr. Lay: While you were sitting there, did everybody drive cars to town?
Mrs. Garner: Yes, Saturday afternoon was the big time. That was a funny thing, talk
about transportation, I remember one time, it must have been the twenties some time,
daddy was going to take us to Dallas. He had to go to Dallas for something, so we got in
the car, early one morning, and mom had packed a lunch, and some where along in the
middle of the day we pulled off the side of the road, and ate our lunch, and we got to the
Baker Motel, Pll never forget it, daddy pulled this watch out of his watch pocket, and laid
it on the dresser and he said, "It's four o'clock, we made good time." That will give you
some idea of time. I guess, what two - hundred miles to Dallas?
Mr. Lay: Took you about eight hours.
Mrs. Garner: So, that's about all I can remember about transportation.
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Dr. Skrabanek: I would like to add something at this point. Ed could perhaps remember
better than I could, but I was here as an undergraduate probably from about 1938 to 1942.
And I lived in what we called a project house in those days.
Mr. Garner: Heaton.
Dr. Skrabanek: Well, anyway, I really did not know a single Aggie student who had an
automobile here in those days. If anyone did, it certainly wasn't natural for a student to
have an automobile around here at all.
Mr. Garner: I knew of one boy that had one, and he was in the band, and he rented a
garage from, oh...I can't think of his name, he was on the city council a long time. What is
his name? But he's the only one that I know, you couldn't have a car on the campus.
Boyett...George Boyett, and he rented a garage from him and he paid him four dollars a
month, and he was pretty well off that kid was, he had a car, and he would come pick us
up and take us to town, it was something you know.
Mr. Lay: Sure, the most popular boy on campus.
Mr. Garner: To get back to the band, I'll tell you they stuck together that bunch. That's
the greatest bunch of group of people that I ever been aquatinted with, that band group.
They were great.
Mr. Lay: Both of you have mentioned something about hitchhiking going between Bryan
and College Station, did the Aggies use hitchhiking to get other places?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, that was by far the worst popular way for us to go in those days.. .
Both short and long distances.
Mr. Garner: That's the only way I could afford it.
Dr. Skrabanek: I'm sure a few did ride the train, I don't remember a bus going through
here on the way to different towns. Do you Ed?
Mr. Garner: Anyways, I can remember the first time I saw a Greyhound bus, it was
parked in front of Sbisa Hall. And let us, just let kids go through it and see it. I can
remember that.
Dr. Skrabanek: You don't remember what year that was?
Mr.. Garner: Well, it was I guess 36, 37 somewhere.
Dr. Skrabanek: But it was very natural to hitchhike anywhere we wanted to go. As a
freshman, Hived in Bryan with some people. I always hitchhiked both ways to and from
classes. There was a kid here about the time I was there that was very well known as the
Champion Hitchhiker and he'd hitchhike all the way to California and back, places like
that. We never had any problems. Of course, we'd wear uniforms. One thing about
transportation, when I was at Texas A &M, around 1939 or 1940 as a student, I never
thumbed it from College Station directly to Snook for a simple reason. I would thumb it
from College Station to Bryan; then get on the highway in Bryan and thumb it to Caldwell,
and then come back through the back route, to Snook. This route was a total of forty or
forty-five miles. Then, on the way back I would thumb it from Snook to Bryan and then
to the campus.
Mr. Lay: Nobody went from College Station to Snook?
Dr. Skrabanek: A few did, but the cars were so infrequent that I made better time going
the forty or so miles wider route than the more direct route of probably sixteen to twenty
miles.
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Mr. Lay: You want to comment on what you might think the attitude of people at that
time of picking up hitchhikers as compared to picking up hitchhikers in the 1990's?
Dr. Skrabanek: It was as different as daylight and dark. In the old days, people trusted
us completely.
Mr. Garner: We had, as he said, we had to wear uniforms.
Dr. Skrabanek: Yeah, of course they knew if you were an Aggie, no problem. Complete
trust on both ends. We trusted the people that picked us up, and so it was a nice friendly
conversation whatever, and they trusted us. There were just no problems, no second
thoughts on anybody's part, I'm sure.
Mr. Garner: One of the funniest of all the hitchhiking that I did: I had a friend who was
going to school at North Texas in Denton, and I went up there and went to school with
him that summer of'35, and I highwayed it down to Corsicana to see my uncles, aunts,
and cousins. On my way back to Denton, I got a ride to Ennis, and that was as far as they
were going so I was standing on the corner over there, the guy stopped and picked me up,
and he said, "Where you going ?" I said, "I'm going to Denton." He said, "Get in and ride
with me." So he was a real estate man there in Ennis and he took me all these different
places that he rented to, and finally he got me back to the corner where I was standing to
start out with and said, "This is far as I go." Ha Ha. I tell you, I never will forget that.
He spent about 2 -3 hours going around to his rent houses and brought me back to the
same place where I started out.
Dr. Skrabanek: Since we're coming to and from campus, I recall that when I'd get low on
money, I had an uncle in Houston who was just a great guy, and I would catch a ride to
Houston, thumbing it. When I got on the outskirts of town, I'd call my uncle and say,
"Hey, I'm here." He didn't have any warning or anything and my aunt didn't either. They'd
come pick me up, and take me to their house in another part of town. I'd stay overnight,
and the dearest guy I've ever known, would give me five bucks, and that lasted me a long
time. Anyway, when I got ready to come back, he'd take me to a certain spot on the
Hempstead highway where there were always anywhere from two or three to a half a
dozen Aggies catching a ride back to College Station. We all got picked up and rode back
to the campus free of charge. The only money I spent on the whole round trip was five
cents, which was a phone call to my uncle from a pay phone.
Mr. Lay: Any and each town I think there was a place that Aggies congregated to hitch a
ride. Dallas they probably had an area where you could get picked up.
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, And again, there never was any problem I've heard about.
Mr. Lay: Did you graduate from here and then continue graduate school and then come
back her to teach, Dr. Skrabanek?
Dr. Skrabanek: I finished my first degree in 1942. Then, I spent 4 years in the Navy
during World War II as an officer on board four different ships and really enjoyed it
greatly. I came back here and got a masters degree in 1947. Then I went to LSU,
Louisiana State University, and finished the Ph.D. degree in 1949. In those days Ph.D.'s
were fairly rare in my field, so there were lots of openings, and several schools I could
have gone to as an Assistant Professor. But, my wife was a Bryan girl, and since I was
from Snook, they offered me a position here. We came back here in 1949. We spent the
rest of our years here with the exception of occasionally taking off to some foreign
country as a consultant, or being a Visiting Professor at other schools. The University has
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been very good to me and College Station is a wonderful place to live. Of all the places
that we could have lived, this is the best.
Mr. Lay: Since you spent so much time in this area would you like to comment on the
road systems, how it may have changed over the years?
Dr. Skrabanek: Summed up very simply, the road systems were like in the dark ages in
the 1930's compared to what they are today. Everything is so much better today.
Mr. Lay: Do you recall any experiences or times your dad spoke about early
transportation here since he was obviously an early settler in the area?
Dr. Skrabanek: I guess one of the most interesting things was how often we had flats.
We'd start out to go to Caldwell, and we often had a flat on the way. We'd all get out by
the side of the road while my father put a patch on the ruptured spot, fill it with air with a
hand pump, and we could continue our trip.
Mr. Garner: Had a little old tire. About 30 by 3 1/2 was the size of that tire and it was
just about that big around. Had about 4 or 5 lugs on, take that off.
Dr. Skrabanek: But it was, really the frequency of flats. That really sticks in my mind,
and of course the really rough roads. Today's kids can not imagine how rough the roads
were. Anytime we went some place it was always an adventure.
Mr. Garner: Yeah, the car always came with a pump.
Mr. Lay: You bet it came with a pump
Mr. Garner: When I came here the Hwy. 6, is like it is now. It went back behind the, as
he said, round by A &M, down to the railroad tracks, and now it's Wellborn Road. It went
all the way through Wellborn and, what's the name of the other town? Millican, and came
out just on this side of the bridge on the Navasota River. And that road is still there. A
lot of people still use that road.
Dr. Skrabanek: Didn't they move the railroad tracks at one time that ran through College
Station?
Mr. Garner: As far as I know, no. It hadn't been since '34, she says hasn't been since
'19...
Mr. Lay: I suspect those railroad tracks were probably in the same location.
Mr. Garner: Well, they've done away with some railroad tracks now, haven't they?
Mrs. Garner: Missouri- Pacific. That tracks not there.
Mr. Garner: Missouri- Pacific's not there.
Mr. Lay: They used to be dual tracks. I knew there was an old abandoned building
through there somewhere. So that's the result, there was originally were two railroad
tracks now they consolidated to one.
Dr. Skrabanek: I don't remember having the privilege of ever riding a train before I
graduated from A &M in 1942 and my first train ride was furnished by Uncle Sam. It was
from Caldwell to Chicago to enter Midshipman's school at Northwestern University before
being commissioned as an officer in the Navy.
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Mr. Lay: But did they have a train which stopped here in College Station as well?
Mrs. Garner: Yeah.
Mr. Garner: Oh yeah.
Mrs. Garner: Two trains. Missouri Pacific and Southern Pacific.
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Mr. Lay: Missouri Pacific and Southern Pacific.
Mr. Garner: Both of them, yeah.
Dr. Skrabanek: Did Southern Pacific have a fast train? And what did they call it?
Mrs. Garner: We called a fast train.
Dr. Skrabanek: Was it the Sunshine Special?
Mrs. Garner: This is the only place it stopped. It stopped in Corsicana, I believe...and
here.
Mr. Lay: Was the only stop where the old station was at that time?
Mrs. Garner: Uh -huh. I used to ride it.
Mr. Garner: Where was the depot located at that time, Allie?
Mrs. Garner: It was...
Mr. Garner: It's about where...excuse me.
Mrs. Garner: You go across the tracks now in front of the tower that you go across the
tracks.
Mr. Garner: OK, I guess you call that the West Gate there right across from Albritton
Tower.
Dr. Skrabanek: Yeah, yeah, you're right. Right across from Albritton Tower.
Mrs. Garner: The creamery sat right there.
Mr. Garner: The creamery was there. Yeah you're right.
Dr. Skrabanek: My guess is that the depot was between Albritton Tower and the
outdoor swimming pool on the other side of Wellborn road.
Mr. Garner: Across from where that swimming pool on across the river back up was
originally the post office, where they built it up.
Mrs. Garner: It was a post office down next to a little wooden building.
Mr. Garner: Pieces over there and every Wednesday afternoon. It was Scoates' land up
there about where one of those motels or the motel is now.
Mr. Garner: Well that '34 to, I guess I graduated and he's talking about those horses
down there, lot of those military people had horses down there, too. They had their own
horses. They had those old, what do they call those? "Buck Sarges ". They all lived down
there and ate down there and they slept down there, and they were the meanest things in
the world. Calvalry used them for drill and field artillery used them for drill and they were
mean. Everybody treated them different, you know.
Dr. Skrabanek: One of the things related to transportation is the fact that what is now
George Bush Drive ran only as far as the railroad tracks and it stopped there. I lived in a
project house right closest to the railroad. At that time it was named Jersey Street. At
that time Pm absolutely positive that there was no road that went over the railroad track
because I earned some of my money by working on what was called the Ag Farm, which
was on the west side of the railroad tracks.
Mr. Lay: Let me go back, I think I heard something a while ago that I wasn't aware of.
The post office, which is the one prior to the one on campus now was located about the
area where Cain Pool, across from Wellborn, where Cain Pool is located. Is that correct?
Mr. Garner: That's right.
Mrs. Garner: There was a post office on the campus you know and we used to call the
Main Building
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Mr. Lay: In the Old Main, what they call.
Mrs. Garner: Uh -huh.
Mr. Lay: Or the Academic Building.
Mrs. Garner: Half of the post office.
(inaudible)
Mr. Lay: A regular U.S. Post office.
Mrs. Garner: It was a small wooden building and it was right on the highway there and it
was back that way from the railroad station.
Mr. Lay: I hadn't heard of that. I just wanted to get that verified. That's some
information which we may not have had.
Mr. Garner: A lady by the name of Smith, I think, was a post mistress.
Mrs. Garner: No, she was post mistress after they moved the post office up on the
campus on the corner up there. I guess they moved that up there in the early 30s. I don't
know when that post office moved.
Mr. Garner: They...it wasn't there when I was here.
Mrs. Garner: Yeah, that's right. You used to have to go to that other post office.
Mr. Garner: Old Main.
Mrs. Garner: I guess it was the late 30s.
Mr. Garner: When we were freshmen here we'd run to the upper classmen, last one had
to go do errands. Always have to go to the post office way down there.
Mr. Lay: One of the things we are also trying to collect are memorabilia or pictures or
stories that have been written up, things like this. If you have any of these that you would
like to share with the committee we would certainly like to have those. Now the pictures
and stories or letters those kind of things we can copy and give the original back to you.
We would like to do that. So discussing some of the things today, if you find something
at home that you think might be good to go in a "scrapbook" the, if you'll get in touch
with the people here at the center they would be glad to make copies of these and give
them back to you. Like I say, if you other memorabilia which you might not wish to keep
or want to share with posterity, I'm sure they would be glad to have that as well.
Mrs. Garner: I have center pole out of the Battalion back in the 30s. It was magazine
back then, not paper. It was a monthly magazine, I don't know if it was in your time or
not. But I have the center pole out of the October, 1933 Battalion. It has the pictures of
11 girls that went to school here that year. All daughters of professors which the
legislature let go here that year because they cut the salaries 25 %. that was depression
time. That' s pretty drastic. They weren't making much anyway and you get it cut 25 %.
Daddy had three children and he was educating my cousin so he had four kids in college.
He told my sister and I, I can't send you to school this year but if you want to go A &M,
you can. So we did.
Dr. Skrabanek: So you were one of the first females to attend Texas A &M.
Mrs. Garner: Officially the Class of '37.
Mr. Garner: Percy Mims' wife, Margaret Mims was one of the girls, that lives here.
Dr. Skrabanek: Going back to the streets and things of that nature, when did the city put
in what was called Gibbs' Folly?
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Mr. Lay: It used to be a circle.
Dr. Skrabanek: I believe you are right, a circle. What year was that put in?
Mr. Garner: I don't know, but I remember when I bought the store it was just that one
dirt road down University Drive.
Mr. Lay: Was University Drive a dirt road at that time?
Mr. Garner: When I bought the store, yes.
Mr. Lay: What is now University Drive?
Mr. Garner: Yes.
Mr. Lay: By the way, that street stopped, I think, at what is now Highway 6.
Mr. Garner: There was another little dirt road up there because we had some...
Mrs. Garner: It really wasn't a street though. Mais' Grocery was on the corner there.
Mr. Lay: Yeah. That's right.
Mr. Garner: Then Visoski lived up there.
Dr. Skrabanek: Yeah, I remember them.
Mrs. Garner: Frank.
Dr. Skrabanek: Frank Visoski.
Mrs. Einkauf: Would you spell that for me?
Dr. Skrabanek: Yeah, V- I- S- O- S -K -I. Visoski.
Mrs. Einkau• He can spell.
Mr. Garner: But that was about all up there.
Mr. Lay: Yeah.
Mr. Garner: The rest of it was cotton.
Mr. Lay: Yeah.
Mr. Garner: They had a lumber yard, Pll never forget our freshman year, we were
building the bonfire and then we'd used those old railroad express cars down there, they
had those old steel wheels on them, ever seen one of them?
Mr. Lay: Yes sir.
Mr. Garner: All right, we'd used that to go and pick up something that was heavy so we
went all the way down University Drive and up there and over in that cotton field was an
old wooden house. We went over there and started tearing that down and we got back to
the back room and there was a colored man in there and he was scared to death. And we
had nearly torn that whole building down. And he never said anything until we got back
to him. Then the school got all perturbed about it and made everybody put in a nickel to
pay for that building that we had torn down. That was in 1934. Those old railway
express cars were pretty hard to push anyway.
Mr. Lay: The other things that we haven't dealt into that you think people should know
about early transportation, either the vehicles or the transportation system, the roads or
anything. We haven't touched anything on any kind of water traffic. I assume that's
probably before any of our times that some water transportation may have been used on
the Brazos or something like this.
Mr. Garner: I don't remember any. I just know that they had some, started some dams
on that thing many, many, many years ago.
Dr. Skrabanek: Did they? On the Brazos River?
Mr. Garner: Uh -huh. The Brazos River. The last one I know of they still got some
highlands up on that road from Hearne to the one towards Temple and you can see it up
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there. And then there another one. There's Washington on the Brazos is one down there.
They were going to build some, what do they call it, Locking Dam, that's what it was
called, a Locking Dam. They nearly finished that one down there in Navasota and then
the next one was up there, I guess, it on the other side of Hearne. They said it got so
expensive, the filling, the dirt fillings. But they did finished nearly all the way to the
Washington on the Brazos. They were going to put a ship in there and take it to Waco.
You can still see some of it.
(inaudible)
Mr. Garner: Yeah, that's right. That was a long time ago. The silt was killing them, it
was too expensive. Didn't they nearly finished that one on Washington on the Brazos?
Dr. Skrabanek: I don't know.
Mr. Lay: Do you remember as a girl being here with any buggies here at that time? Do
you remember seeing any?
Mrs. Garner: I don't remember any buggies. We had a colored man, black, that worked
for my father, he drove a wagon...you probably remember, Ernest.
Dr. Skrabanek: Yes, I do and he used to come and plow our garden.
All: Yes.
Mrs. Garner: Yes, that's right.
Dr. Skrabanek: But that's in the late '40s, matter of fact, early '50s, really.
Mrs. Garner: He never...
Dr. Skrabanek: I don't remember anybody else having a wagon in town at that time.
Mrs. Garner: I don't.
Mr. Garner: I don't remember any buggies, of course, that is way before my time.
Mrs. Garner: For Miss Jones he worked. He ended up working for Consolidated
School. But he never had a car. He never rode a car. He always rode in his wagon.
Dr. Skrabanek: That's about all I can think of
Mr. Lay: We want to thank ya'll for sharing these memories with us and putting them for
where others can look at them in years to come and know what some of the early life was
like here. If you think of other things you want to add jot them down and when you get a
copy of the transcript, you can just add them on to there. Please feel free to do that if you
think about other things Any other comments that you have, that you want to make
before we quit.
Mrs. Garner: That's a good picture of the railroad station.
Mr. Lay: Well, again like I say I don't know what will be appearing but all of the
transcripts will be kept. As I understand it and of course a lot of it may be edited to get in
into actually book form. But we do want to thank each one of you and again if you think
of anything else you want to add please feel free to do so on the transcript that you get.
Or if it comes up later on that you find pictures again or stories that you want included in
this please let them have it here at the Conference Center and they will get them to the
Historical Committee. Real Good. Thank you.
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