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HomeMy WebLinkAboutEastgate Panel 7Eastgate Oral History Group 7 Hazel Chastain Robert Smith Vivian Smith * *Robert Smith and Vivian Smith have not yet corrected their transcriptions. The City of College Station, Texas Memory Lanes Oral History Project The purpose of The Historic Preservation Committee is to gather and preserve historical documents by means of the tape - recorded interview. Tape recordings and transcripts resulting from such interviews become part of the archives of The City of College Station Historic Preservation Committee and Conference Center Advisory Committee to be used for whatever purposes may be determined. with I have read the above and voluntarily offer my portion of the interviews 1. �..r�f- �Y. - 1.-7-1...r., 7 . 2. o, _T „ /774 8. 3.1) -7,-7/ /4) . i . Gf 9 . 4. 5 . � 1,ff _ .r7.4 . TLr 4 t_' 11. 6. € .?,,it 4 f 4 fit.. 12. 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Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. 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Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. `/J r Remarks: Memory Lane: E4 sf Gct e Interview No. Name /Na z c / C h 4s -f n Interview date 9/z 7/95 Interviewer /Ua nm,' Shanno, Interview length Interview Place Co 5d (nn 'errv7 re rfet - /05 Special sources of information Date tape received in office # of tapes marked Date Original Photographs Yes No # of photos Date Rec'd Describe Photos Interview Agreement and tape disposal form: Given to interviewee on Received Yes No Date Signed Restrictions - if yes, see remarks below. 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Yes No Transcription: First typing completed by Pages Date (name) First audit check by Sent to interviewee on Received from interviewee on Copy editing and second audit check by Final copies: Typed by City of College Station Memory Lanes Oral History Project Oral History Stage Sheet Proofread by: 1) Pages Date 2) Pages Date Photos out for reproduction: Where to: Date: Original photos returned to: Date: Indexed by: Date Sent to bindery by Date Received from bindery Date Deposited in archives by: Date (name) (name) Pages Date Pages Date Pages Date HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE City of College Station, Texas 77840 ORAL HISTORY DATA SHEET I hereby give and grant to the HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, City of College Station, Texas, for whatever purposes may be determined, the tape recordings, transcriptions, and contents of this oral history interview. Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. , Interviewee (Please- print) Signature of Interviewee 1e M E' „ / 77, Name 5: 90 cv c t C& tJi Eav /40/1/1..> Address s k/6- o/oi Telephone Date of Birth '2- 9-3c Place of Birth c. /A)0/ i lk z" /-2,1 h Innterviewer (Please Print) Signature of Interviewer Place of Interview List of photos. documents. mans. etc. INTERVIEW STATUS: Completed In progress Interviewee agrees to and shall indemnify and hold harmless CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from and against any and all claims, losses, damages, causes of action, suits and liability of every kind, attorney's fees, for injury to or death of any person, or for damage to any property, arising out of or in connection with the use of the items and information referenced aboved by CITY, its agents, representatives, assigns, invitees, and participants under this grant. Such indemnity shall apply where the claims, losses damages, causes of action, suits or liability arise in whole or in part from the negligence of city. Date Initial Remarks: Memory Lane: E.:154 GCcte Interview No. Name Viviavi S rni - Interview date 7/27/95 Interviewer Naomi S h a v1 n o v\ Interview length Interview Place C. 3 . Co n4 ire o c),- (eVt+cA i2rrr , /05 Special sources of information Date tape received in office # of tapes marked Date Original Photographs Yes No # of photos Date Recd Describe Photos Interview Agreement and tape disposal form: Given to interviewee on Received Yes No Date Signed Restrictions - If yes, see remarks below. 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Also, permission is hereby given for any duplications of original photos, documents, maps, etc. useful to the history project to be returned unharmed. Interviewee releases, relinquishes and discharges CITY, its officers, agents and employees, from all claims, demands, and causes of action of every kind and character, including the cost of defense thereof, for any injury to, including the cost of defense thereof for any injury to, including death of, any person, whether that person be a third person, Interviewee, or an employee of either of the parties hereto, and any loss of or damage to property, whether the same be that either of the parties hereto or of third parties, caused by or alleged to be caused by, arising out of, or in connection with Interviewee provision of historical information, whether or not said claims, demands and causes of action in whole or in part are covered by insurance. >i/Aiy S 7) 7 2 , 7 Interviewee (Please print) Sigg #Vure of Int view �� GC�u =liar . 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Date Initial In progress Historic Preservation Committee Oral History - Naomi Shannon, Interviewer Naomi Shannon: This is group seven, we are Room 105 of the Conference Center of The Historical Preservation Society and the date is September 27, 1995. We will begin by introducing yourselves and telling how long you have lived here. Let's start with Mr. Chastain. Mr. Chastain: I came in 1970, I believe, or 1971. Mrs. Chastain: Anyway, I've been here since 1937. Naomi: Say your name please. Mrs. Chastain: Hazel Prewitt Chastain, my first husband was Mr. Prewitt. Mr. Chastain: My mother was a Prewitt, so she got it both ways. Hazel Chastain: We lived on Ayrshire over in College Park the first two years we were here, then we built a house up in College Hills on Walton Drive, a two story mansion for $5,650.00, if you can imagine. We lived there for about twenty years. Naomi: Mrs. Smith Mrs. Smith: I'm Vivian Smith and I live at 703 Francis Drive and I have lived there for forty -nine years in the same house. When we moved here we had a four room house on Park Place where Fairview intersects Park Place. We had four rooms with three boys. When we moved we had to buy a garage and put it on the property so we would have a place to put all of our things. Then we bought the place on Francis and we've been there ever since. We lived two or three other places in College Station. Our house was one that was moved off of the campus and Byron Winstead bought the house and built on to it. I think he was the original person of KBTX. He started KBTX. His parents lived next door, in the little house next door to ours and it was moved off the campus, also. I couldn't move, there is no way I could move. Naomi: Mr. Smith, would you care to -- Mr. Smith: I'm Robert Smith, son of Vivian Smith and Arthur Smith. As my Mother previously stated, we lived at 703 Francis Drive. I was born and raised there. Naomi: Mrs. Smith, you've lived here 49 years. What year did you come here? Mrs. Smith: We came in 1946. Naomi: That's a long time. You had children when you came here, where did they go to school? Mr. Smith: We went to A&M Consolidated, where we are right now, the shop building across the street that Mr. Lancaster referred to is where I had shop and the Elementary School is up here on the street that runs east and west and this was the high school. I did not graduate from high school here, I went into Bryan but I did start school in College Station at A&M Consolidated. Naomi: Did you have children, Mrs. Chastain? Hazel Chastain: I have two children. Naomi: Where did they go to school? Hazel: At A&M Consolidated. In this building, this was the High School but I think they started to school over in the "chicken coops." I had a daughter, Virginia Prewitt and a son James "Sonny" Prewitt. He played football for Consolidated four years and he was the only freshman who lettered in football his freshman year. All the kids would meet in our front hall to catch the bus, Graham Horsley, the Burns boys and the 2 3 Lindsay boys. They would meet in my hall when it was bad weather. So I had to clean up the hall every morning. Naomi: You lived on Walton? Hazel: Walton, yes. Naomi: Do you still live on Walton? Hazel: Oh, no, we sold that place years ago and I lived three or four places since. Bill and I bought a place over on Holleman. Course it wasn't a freeway like it is now. It's a race track. Naomi: Who were your neighbors on either side of you when you lived on Francis? Vivian Smith: I don't have any neighbors. Robert Smith: The closest neighbors would have been Manning Smith on the east. The home place we had was situated on a pretty good sized acreage. About the largest acreage in the city of College Station, six acres. The folks were neighbors to and - it was outside the city limits, when I was growing up, we were not inside the city limits of College Station, Walton Drive was sort of the edge of civilization. You turned on a graveled road to go down to our house. That road was paved in about 1951 or 52. We were living outside the city limits. Naomi: Mrs. Chastain, who were your neighbors over there? Hazel Chastain: Oh, I had so many neighbors. Robert Smith: They were neighbors of ours. Hazel Chastain: Let's see the Draper's lived on the right hand side and the Lindsay's lived on the left hand side, Julia Burns lived just beyond the Draper's, then the Horsley's and the Folweiler's and all lived in front of me. We just visited back and forth, all the time, 4 drinking coffee. My husband was in the Agricultural Extension Service and he traveled a lot and we only had one car and when he traveled we were afoot, as they said. The neighbors walked all time, places and if you saw somebody walking, well "come in and have a cup of coffee" and they did, so you had a lot of interesting people around. Mr. Chastain: No one locked their doors, did they? Hazel Chastain: No, we didn't lock the doors. Vivian Smith: We didn't even have a key. Hazel Chastain: Cause I'd come home sometimes from the store and the Lindsay boys would be lying on my floor reading my sons "funny books." Naomi: Mr. Smith, when you were growing up here, what did you do for recreation? What did kids do then? Robert Smith: Well, there wasn't an awful lot to do. We lived on the campus every day. Literally, all the kids were on the campus, that was the only place to entertain yourself. We spent a lot of time in the Old Guion Hall on Campus, which was the campus theater and the bowling alley. Lots of us worked in the bowling alley and the swimming pool. The remembrances are very fond. This was a delightful community to be raised in back in those days. When Mr. Tom Putty was the manager of Guion Hall, he had two daughters who were about our age, he used to give us free passes to Guion Hall if we would distribute the "Coming Attractions" in the dormitories. So that was quite a treat. Naomi: Now, where was the bowling alley? And the swimming pool? Mr. Smith: It was in the YMCA. Naomi: They built a floor over the swimming pool? Robert Smith: There was Casey's Confectionary on the front of it and the bowling alley on the back. If you walk across the floor, in the 5 basement of the YMCA, now, you can tell because of the hollow sound where the swimming pool was. Then they moved the bowling alley over to the MSC in about 1951. The they introduced pin setters and put us all out of work. Hazel Chastain: The pins were set by hand, because my son did it during the summers sometimes. Vivian Smith: The most things my sons had to do was work. They mowed lawns, and at one time we had twenty cows on our four acres. We bought one cow because we couldn't afford to buy milk for three boys. They wanted to learn how to milk and my husband would say "you aren't strong enough yet, your hands aren't strong enough. So they all got things like this so they could strengthen their hands so they could milk. And they would try and he would say "no, you are not strong enough" and when they got strong enough, they did all the milking and we had a chart on the back porch, who was to milk on Sunday, and who was to milk on Monday and that's the way we ran things. Robert Smith: And the cows were always getting out. We'd get calls from our neighbors saying your cows are in our flower beds. It was awfully embarrassing to be running up and down the street hunting for the cows. Vivian Smith: You see, my husband was a Bible teacher, he taught at the Baptist Student Center for 16 years. And he would have his classes, and I would call and say "the cows are out" in somebody's yard, and that was the happiest day for those students! They got to get out and come and put the cows back in the pen and they loved to do that. There's been a change here, I have a bill here from the city, in my Bible, that I keep. For our monthly payment it was $6.75 for everything, lights, water and gas, for everything. Naomi: How many houses were down here when you all built on Walton and Francis? Was there anything down there much? Vivian Smith: The Culpepper house was down there on the end and the house where Buddy Denton lives. Elvin Street lived down at the end and Manning Smith's house was there. So that's it. We moved out there because, all their lives somebody was saying "get out of my yard" or "don't throw a ball in my yard: so my husband found this place that had four acres and with three boys, they had a place to play ball. Naomi: You didn't know what a paved street was, then, either, did you? Hazel Chastain: No, they finally hard topped them and we put curbs and gutter. We were one of the few that had curbs and gutter. Vivian Smith: When the city paved Francis, it cost us $2,000 to pave just in front of our property. Robert Smith: Our house, just for the record, was moved off the campus and was the home of the Director of Information for the University, Byron Winstead and we have searched and searched to try and find out where that house was located on campus and we have not been able to. We know it was moved off the campus, we just don't know where it was. Hazel Chastain: I remember when they moved it. They moved Nita's house after she and Nita bought it and put it in their house. They didn't have the house finished and Manning had to be gone a lot and she was expecting and she used to come over and stay with me. In fact, she met Manning at my house when we still lived on Ayrshire. She came down for a big dance and she came home telling me what a cute man she had met. Anyway, we were good friends all those years and she would come stay 6 7 with me when Manning was gone because she didn't have running water or anything. It took three or four years for them to get that house where they could really live in it. But it is a beautiful place now. Naomi: Where did you all do your weekly or monthly shopping? Hazel Chastain: Now that is something. I'll have to tell you about that. I'll have to show you something, too. This is not a local but we did have an A &P store in Bryan, a Safeway, Piggley Wiggley and all those stores. The ladies used to get together and go into Bryan to do their shopping, most of the time. But we did have two grocery stores up there at North Gate, Charlies and Lukes. Later, about 1939 or 1940, Luke moved over to College Hills into that little area that we called our first shopping center. That's where you walked to when you didn't have a car and he delivered, that was the nice thing. He would deliver and get them there in time for lunch if you called early enough. I didn't have a car much of the time and he would call you up sometime and tell you what he had fresh. I cooked a lot of red beans. Sonny would say my beans had meat in them. They had worms in them! Here's something else, I walked down to the store and Luke was putting the money into a money bag. He said "I'm going into town to the bank, do you want me to get you anything, I'm going to get Mrs. Summey some face powder and Mrs. Thomas some thread and if you need something, I'll pick it up for you. Imagine doing that in those days. That was the kind of groceryman we had. Mr. Chastain: We had more time than we do now. Vivian Smith: Manning Smith had a grocery store where Culpeppers is and then there was a grocery store on George Bush Drive (Jersey St) the 8 Odoms. That's where I bought my things. I didn't have a car and I could walk there and but my groceries. Hazel Chastain: That is what most of us did. I want to show you this list. You won't believe, two pounds of coffee for 21 cents, that's 1940. Naomi: Asparagus 21 cents, you can't touch it for that now. Bill Chastain: I bought a new Plymouth about that time and I went to pick it up and it cost me $765.00, four doors and it had all the trimmings. Naomi: Now, what was here at East Gate, you said there was a grocery store there. Vivian Smith: Culpeppers and a beauty shop. Hazel Chastain: Luke's grocery, Edna Pruitts Beauty Shop and there was a Barber shop but I don't remember who, then there was a dentist, and my sister in law opened a little dress shop and it stayed there about three years, but everyone was still used to going to Houston on the train to shop and they weren't used to a shop at the college, then Mr. Culpepper and Mr. Boughton's Real Estate office. Robert Smith: Then there was Black's pharmacy where all the kids in the neighborhood spent all their time reading funny books and sitting at the soda fountain. Then there was John Bravanec's Mobil Station. The station is still there in the same location. Then there was a doctor's office next door, Dr. Andre I think. Hazel Smith: I thought that was Dr. Walton. Naomi: When did Dr. Andre and Dr. Walton come here? Were there doctors here before that, or did you have to go out of town? Vivian Smith: We didn't have to go out of town. Dr. Holt and Dr. Andre had an office out on George Bush Drive. Hazel Chastain: Up over the Drug Store. Vivian Smith: Dr. Cathcart had a dentist office there. Robert Smith: That was over Madeley's Pharmacy. Naomi: Was he in business then, Mr. Madeley? Vivian Smith: Oh, yes, he had a drug store for years and years. Naomi: Then you had two drug stores, Madeley's and Black's. Hazel Chastain: What was this gate called over here, South Gate? Robert Smith: Yes, there was a drug store at North Gate, too, where Loupot's bookstore is now. Hazel Chasain: There were two over there, Lipscombs and-- - Vivian Smith: Sparks, Bill Sparks. Hazel Chastain: That used to be where the ladies would dress up in the afternoon and go sit and have a coke. Naomi: Where did you and your friends meet back then, when you went to visit? I guess the drugstore. Hazel Chastain: Yes, the drugstore and most of the entertaining from the college was done in the wives club, they met in the "Y ". In fact, that's where my daughter's wedding reception was held. We didn't have a student center, and Maggie Parker's, over in Bryan, was too far away to be married in the Baptist Church and drive in for all that. Guion Hall was where they used to have church,you know, they marched the boys down Military Walk to church in Guion Hall. About the time we were here, Guion Hall had all the town hall, that Opus replaced and everybody in the community went to all those things. That's where General Eisenhower came, it was quite the social place. 9 10 Vivian Smith: The boys would throw flyers from the grocery stores, then they got free passes to Guion Hall so they didn't have to pay to go to the movies. Hazel Chastain: My daughter was dating a boy that ran the machine, so Mr. Puddy and Billy let us all go in. Robert Smith: I just remembered another commercial establishment on Highway 6, between University and George Bush avenues, the Blue Top Courts. The Grahams, Cal and Edith Graham owned them. They were in there about where Red Lobster is now. They were a large, large complex and covered a tremendous amount of ground. My wife went to school with the Graham's daughter, and I went to school with Gordon Graham, their son. So I remember the Blue Tops Courts well. At the corner of University and Texas Avenue was May's grocery. that was the end of civilization. There was nothing, absolutely nothing past May's grocery. there were no roads. It didn't go any further than that. Hazel Chastain: Jersey Street and all those streets ended around Ayrshire and all those cow names. Then when they built our section, where we live now, they extended all those streets. Our street (Holleman) used to be called "Old Country Road ". Robert Smith: I think what was unique about the community in those days was that everybody in town was associated with the University. That's all there was here, then. There were no enterprises, no businesses except filling stations, drug stores. A&M employed everybody and everybody knew everybody. Hazel Chastain: They always had a big Christmas tree for the kids in Sbisa Hall, for those who stayed here and they always had a big dance 11 and it was almost a command performance in those days cause everybody dressed up and went, the Professors, the President, everybody. Robert Smith: My memory fails me, but I believe there was a White Way Cafe but I do not remember where that was, do you remember? Vivian Smith: There was one across the street from the Aggie Cleaners, his Wife's father owned the Aggie Cleaners at North Gate. And the White Way Cafe was across the street. My husband did a lot of weddings and we had a wedding supper there, it was run by the Wilson's. Hazel Chastain: I can't remember that. One thing I do remember in the way of entertainment speaking was the University. You know where the outdoor theatre is on campus, the Grove. In the summertime, about once a month, they would publish a notice that they were going to have a picnic on the campus, you know. Everybody would bring their chairs and they would have watermelon and everybody would take their covered dishes and that was one of the big events in the summer particularly, and they'd have free shows. Free entertainment. Naomi: What effect did World War II have on the community and on East Gate? Robert Smith: We weren't here then. We came in 1949. Hazel Chastain: I'll never forget, we were listening to the radio at home when we heard about it and it was on that Sunday, you know. We were going to take the children in to see John Kimbrough, he was our big football player on our undefeated team in 1939, they won the championship. He had made a movie. We were going to see the movie to let the kids see this western that he was in and it came over the radio that if people wanted to go to the movie they would keep them in touch with what was happening, the events of Pearl Harbor. That first 12 Thanksgiving after Pearl Harbor, we had about 50 people. There were no restaurants, no hotels, nothing for people to stay. Almost everybody we knew were coming, the ones we invited almost always brought somebody with them. I ended up having 50 people for lunch on Thanksgiving. Everybody that day had on uniforms except my husband and one of his good friends. I had seventeen people sleep at my house that night and five or six of those boys had been Aggies and had gone to the Army. Byron Winstead, A&M Communication Officer, called me the morning of D -Day, said "get up and listen to the radio, they are starting the invasion ". I stayed up, it was about 3 o'clock in the morning. He had gotten the information through the radio station some way and he was calling and waking people up. Vivian Smith: I used to keep girls in my home when they came down for week -ends. Everybody rented rooms because there were no places to stay. I charged $10.00 a night for two people. I was always full, and the minute I got the $10.00, I went down to the hardware store in Bryan and bought my china. That's how I got al of the china that I have and it's beautiful! I didn't let that $10.00 get into the general fund. Robert Smith: I believe there was a place to spend the night on the campus, the old Aggieland Inn, right across from Sbisa Hall, but it burned down at some point in time. Vivian Smith: That's where we stayed when we came down here to check on the job that my husband was going to have. And I had a little baby, he was probably six months old and they got up in the night and warmed his bottle and brought it to my room for me. I remember something about you. (Hazel Chastain) Hazel Chastain: You do? 13 Vivian Smith: Who would James go with, a friend, across, behind me? Hazel Chastain: My Sonny, oh the Parks Marks Parker. Vivian Smith: Every night, she would get out on the porch " Come on James, It's supportive." Hazel Chastain: My first husband would say, " Don't get out there and yell for them kids ", the Parker's had no telephone, he'd say " quit that yelling, use that whistle." I had a coache's whistle, and I'd blow that whistle and they would all yell "I'm a comin" and it wouldn't be my Sonny. Anyway, I'd blow that whistle and you could hear sonny coming across the ditch over there. There was nothing behind us. We had three acres and they had four acres. There was nothing back in there. Anyway, he'd yell "I'm a comin" Vivian Smith: I can still hear him! Will Worley: (opening video camera) I'd like to add something. I came here in 1939 as a Freshman and moved into Dorm I. The twelve dorms and Duncan Hall were brand new when at that time. I lived there until the fall of 1942 when I went into service in World War II. The Blue Top Courts, the building is still there that is a restaurant and the offices for the Blue Top Court, right next to Black's Pharmacy. The White Way Cafe was up where 707 is now. They sold beer, my first beer drink was there. But on Saturday night that was the main thing to do, go to the White Way Cafe and drink beer. A story about the Blue Top Courts is that when we had a Corps Dance we vacated a men's dormitory for the girls to stay in. Well, the fall of 1942, I had a car. Nobody much had a car but I had a family car. I drove to Dallas and brought back my date, two more dates and my date's mother. We had to put them in the Blue Top courts. So, anyway I talked to this date and shortly 14 after she married a classmate of mine and we were up in Sommerfeild, New Jersey and she said it was so wonderful that Jack, her husband to be had enough money to put us up in the Blue Top Courts, along with my date's mother -in -law. That is the last date I ever had with her. Anyway, that's the story of the Blue Top Courts and the White Way Cafe. May's Super Market was up on the corner. After World War I, I came back and lived in College View Apartments. I was a Veteran and we had one child and another was born while we lived there. Anyway, May's Super Market was the place to go shop. I had a bicycle with a basket in the front. I would ride that bicycle to the A &P store which is on North Bran Street and that's where we bought our groceries. So we had transportation. $90.00 a month is what is what got paid and got all our tuition costs and that sort of thing. Right now, this is where "Imagination Station" has there theatre. Hazel Chastain: Do you remember we used to try to keep our grocery bill around $30.00 a month? A dollar a day feeds your family. I had a wonderful colored maid for three dollars a week. Imagine that, they did everything, washing and ironing, cleaning, baby sitting, cooking. Naomi: You said they had church in Guion Hall? Hazel Chastain: Oh, yes, in Guion Hall, that was a non - denominational church, then the Y first had a non - denominational church. That's where my children went to Sunday School because always get them to Bryan. Then we belonged to the Baptist Church in College Station. Something that I thought was, since we were speaking of the Aggies and this is an Aggie community, there were four of my first husband's classmates living, three on Walton Drive and one just the man behind the 15 dairy. Four of the class of 1923 lived right there is interesting, I thought. Naomi: What did you all do in your leisure time? Hazel Chastain: Read, I did. A lot of people played bridge, but I gave that up. We belonged to a book club out in College Hills and all the neighbors up and down the street, Horsley's, Parnel's, Mrs. F.L. Thomas, Mrs. Culpepper, we exchanged books and I read to the detriment of everything else, I think. Vivian Smith: We had a garden club, too. College Station had a garden club and Campus Study Club. Hazel Chastain: We had the Extension Service Club and I was a member. The Campus Study Club, you dressed up with your hats, gloves and high heels and went once a month to that. All the wives were members of that. Robert Smith: The youngsters, back in those days, would congregate on the campus and there's one thing that I remember and that is the swimming pool. The P.L. Downs natatorium because Art Adamson was the swimming coach. He was probably one of the better swimming coaches around anywhere and at that time College Station was a nationally known power in swimming, I mean we went to Oklahoma, we went all over the country, swimming, and A&M, it wasn't A&M Consolidated, it was a community swim team and it was a very, very widely known, it competed all over the state and outside of the state. That's where everybody stayed, there wasn't else to do, they stayed in the swimming pool or go to the campus theatre. Naomi: Mr. Adamson was there then. 16 Robert Smith: Yes, Art Adamson was the swimming coach, in fact he was the coach at A&M until he retired. We sure hope our Board of Regents will name that new natatorium after art Adamson. And if any you are interested in seeing that happen, please make it a point to, because it is not always appropriate to name it after someone who gave a million dollars. He gave his time. He gave his entire life to young people. He was a pretty stern taskmaster. I don't think I ever saw him smile in my life. He sure knew how to get results out of these kids that he was teaching how to swim. But that knew recreational sports facility that we have on campus now, we are hoping the pool will be named after coach Adamson. Hazel Chastain: What about the open air swimming pool? Robert Smith: That was named after Woffard Cain. He gave the money to build that pool and it is appropriate that we recognize him. Here we have an opportunity to recognize a man whose been in the community and has given a lot during his life for the kids. For A&M too. Hazel Chastain: Do you know anything about Van ?(Van Adamson, Art Adamson's son). Robert Smith: Oh, yes, he lives in Dallas, I believe. Van was his son and was a very distinguished swimmer not only on the College Station swim team but for A&M. Gayle Klipple a college professor's son and Dick Weick. Everybody's fathers were on the campus professors. So we were a very close, tight knit group, I think. There were not that many of us. Hazel Chastain: That's where my Sonny learned to swim at five years old. Robert Smith: Bill Lancaster said he was the first paper boy in College Hills and we must have been the second because my brother Richard and 17 I, for years, delivered papers in College Hills. We split College Hills in half but it wasn't the Bryan Eagle. Mrs. Roundtree owned the Eagle. Walter Doney had a paper that competed with the Eagle called the Bryan Press -- Mrs. Cleghorn, that's who I kept thinking. Mrs. Cleghorn, but she was the nurse at the college and always drove around in that Kaiser automobile with that red dog, that big chow dog hanging out the window. There are some things that you just never forget. Hazel Chastain: Jim Lindsay was my paper boy. Vivian Smith: He was my paper boy, too, now he's my doctor! Hazel Chastain: He's mine, too. I feel like I'm going to my own child. I go in there and see those gray hairs, and I think this can't be Jim, I'm not that old! Something funny about Jim's daughters when they were living in Hawaii. I got an announcement of the baby's birth, a little girl, and it said she would be eligible for marriage in a certain year. I still have that thing. Naomi: Did they have a theater in Bryan, then? Robert Smith: They had three. It cost $.09 to go to the Campus Theater, I know that. That was a lot of money. You had to set a game of bowling, work about two hours in the bowling alley to get enough money. They had the Queen, the Dixie, and the Palace Theaters in Bryan. Bryan was so far down the road from the intersection where the old Ramada Inn is (corner of Texas and University) there wasn't anything. It was just like riding through the country, there was nothing between there and Bryan. There was no habitation at all, no businesses, it was just like riding to Hearne. Naomi: Did they run a trolley or anything to Bryan? Robert Smith: That was way before my time. 18 Hazel Chastain: They had a bus, the trolley was before my time. Naomi: How did the big events of A&M affect your daily life? Did you go to football games? Hazel Chastain: Oh, yeah. Naomi: Mrs. Smith has already told us about how she rented out her boy's rooms and they had to sleep on pallets. Robert Smith: The thing that I remember is that we never won! Other than in '39 and '40, A&M didn't have much to speak of. Hazel Chastain: Like Sonny said, he'd never seen them win. He played on the freshman team and they beat Austin that year. He was real elated! Vivian Smith: My boys would lay on the floor when the Aggies lost and just cry and cry and cry! Robert Smith: We cried a lot! But A&M was the focal point of everything. There was nothing else here. Hazel Chastain: Well, you should have seen the way the ladies dressed. They came to the game, in those days, they wore their fur coats when it was cold, their high heeled shoes, their hats, all that stuff. They didn't do like they do now, cut off jeans, shirts and barefooted, probably. Vivian Smith: They didn't go anywhere like that! Robert Smith: A&M Consolidated was first on the campus, if I'm not mistaken, in the old band hall. I never went there, but I remember the building. Vivian Smith: My boys were in the A&M Consolidated band under Colonel Dunn. Robert Smith: Colonel Dunn wrote "The Spirit of Aggieland" and "The Aggie War Hymn ". 19 Hazel Chastain: What year did you graduate? Robert Smith: I graduated from A&M in 1958. Colonel Dunn lived over here on the south side of the campus in an old house. We used to go over and take French horn lessons from him. If we had the cameras off, I'd say something, but I can't say it right now. Colonel Dunn was a real character. Vivian Smith: He was a sight! He'd always pick them up and take them to the band hall and it was the worst band you ever heard in your whole life. they never played a note that was right. 'Cause he was maybe, a little two sheets in the wind while he was teaching them. Robert Smith: That was the part we didn't want to talk about. Vivian Smith: But he was a nice, kind man and he loved the boys, and they loved him.. They would get into the car and I'd hope they got back! But it was a horrible band. Robert Smith: It was. Vivian Smith: That was the first band. He was in the first bad. Hazel Chastain: We used to go out to all the Consolidated games, the Aggie games, go out of town, went to Louisiana. Naomi: back in '49, and when did you say you moved here? Hazel Chastain: In 1937. Naomi: What appliances did you have in your houses? You didn't have dryers, then? Hazel Chastain: No, we had an old washing machine with a wringer. My maid did the washing out in the garage, in a little storeroom place. did have an iron and a mix master. I bought my first Electrolux over on Ayrshire. It cost a fortune. 20 Vivian Smith: When we lived in Illinois, we lived in a town where they had no gas so we had an electric stove. I was the pride of the neighborhood with an electric stove. Naomi: How did you all come here, your husband teaching Bible at the University? Hazel Chastain: My husband came here as a District Agricultural Agent for the Agricultural Extension Service. His district went from Junction to El Paso down to Del Rio. He couldn't visit all his counties because some of those counties are huge. It would take him a month to see every county agent in the district. Sometimes, he would be gone two or three weeks. Then he made Associate Director several years later and had that job until he retired. Everything was connected with the University. Vivian Smith: We had a washing machine with a wringer on it and I kept it out in the back. I heard screaming one day, and I ran out there. I have a son that is seven years younger than these two, and he had plugged in the washing machine and had run a sock through the wringer and his arm right on up in the wringer. He still has scars on his arm from that deal, but that's the last time he ever did any washing. The sock wasn't wet, it was dry. We had to hang our clothes out on the line. You would just get them out, the sun would be shining bright, and all at once it would start raining. You had to go out and take all the clothes down and put them down until you could hang them out again. Hazel Chastain: It would start raining in September when school would start. They would issue the boys raincoats. They would get so mad because they would get so muddy and dirty. Some would leave the campus because they were not used to it. 21 Robert Smith: It seems interesting to me to try to relate to current generations from older generations. All of the kids in College Hills went to school right where we are sitting now and we rode bicycles in those days. I don't know if it has occurred to anybody to ride a bicycle that far to school. We rode a bicycle all the way over here, it must be two or three miles. I hate to say this, but it was a graveled road and it was difficult situation. Vivian Smith: They saved enough money that they both bought scooters and the day we bought them, they parked them in their bedrooms and washed them and wiped them. One night we had the windows up, we didn't have air conditioning, I smelled this horrible smell coming down the kill and it was him. He had been on the campus running this skunk around. He picked up the skunk, and I never in my life - -- I had to bury the shirt. He still tells his little Grandson about it and he wants to come over and dig and find the shirt Grand -daddy had on when the skunk got him. Hazel Chastain: Sonny used to ride his bicycle, too. He played basketball on the high school team. He came from school and was getting ready, and we didn't have a car and he said, "Mother, I just can't ride my bicycle up there" and I said "why" and he said "please call me a taxi, I've got to save myself." so I called a taxi and about the time the taxi drove up his friend drove up in the driveway and said "who's in the taxi ?" I said "that was Sonny" and he said "where was he going" and I said "oh, he's saving himself for the basketball game!" He teased Sonny about that for years! Vivian Smith: Richard had a pet skunk that he took up on the campus and they operated on the skunk so he didn't have any problems, and he used to brush that skunk, and put ribbons in his ears. They had a pet show 22 at Consolidated and he would take his skunk on a leash to the pet show. People would say "Oooh, I don't want to get near him" and Richard would say "he smells better than you do." But they loved that skunk. Our house on the backside set up from the ground and that's where they played, under there, because it was cool, and they played digging in the dirt. That's where they played with the skunk, under there. It has been a long time, but we were happy then. Hazel Chastain: You didn't have the problems that we have now. Vivian Smith: I never worried about my boys, going out on their scooters at night, that they'd have drugs or drink. That never entered my mind. Hazel Chastain: No, Sonny used to ask me, particularly in the winter time, "Mother, can I bring my date home" and they'd love to sit by the fireplace and toast marshmallows. Well, sure, you know, they don't do that anymore. Naomi: Did your children all go to A&M? I know you went to A&M (to Robert Smith). Vivian Smith: All three of mine. Hazel Chastain: Mine, too. Vivian Smith: Richard has the Real Estate Business and the youngest son is a Judge in Richmond. Robert was vice - president for Finance and Administration at A&M 'til politics got in the deal. Hazel Chastain: There are a lot of these boys who have done real well and they all like to come back, the Doctors and the Dentists. You can name them on both hands who have come back here to set up practice. Vivian Smith: When Robert graduated, he went to Houston and had a job with Houston Light and Power Company. I woke up one night and saw this trailer coming in the driveway and he had loaded up his two children and 23 all of his furniture in a trailer behind his car and he was moving back to College Station. Robert Smith: It is hard to beat this, you can leave here, but if your raised here, this is home. There is no place like it! I is a wonderful place to grow up and raise a family. Things are different now, but it's still a great place. Hazel Chastain: I've been here so long, it is home to me. I was born and reared in Louisiana, I lived in west Texas for about ten years and then came down here. Naomi: If you ate at a restaurant back in '39 and '40, how much did it cost you? Bill Chastain: It doesn't seem very long ago to me, what you all have been talking about. When you get to be 88, it's all just recent. Vivian Smith: Does anybody know a salesman that worked for Culpepper? He was the father of Mrs. Dan Davis. Do you know who Mrs. Dan Davis was? It was her father that sold us this place. I've just loved him ever since then. This is our deed. Naomi: Well, who developed College Hills, Culpepper? Robert Smith: That land at one time belonged to the Dansby family. My brother is married to a Dansby. They owned all the way from Highway 6 to Steep Hollow. They sold off some of it. Bert Wheeler bought a lot of it and Culpepper bought a lot of it. Vivian Smith: It used to be cotton fields. Hazel Chastain: Did you say Dobrorvolny owned it? Naomi: Dobrorvolny owned this over here around Redmond Terrace. Robert Smith: All this where we're sitting right now. Just west of here, if you go up that hill, that was just a cow pasture back there. 24 Naomi: The part of College Hills that developed like where you are on Francis... Vivian Smith: That was first. Naomi: None of that behind you was there. Vivian Smith: Nothing, there were two houses, our house and Manning Smiths and that was it. Hazel Chastain: I walked right through there to go to your house or Nita's. Mr. Culpepper, you know, almost lost all that at one time. He came to my husband and asked if he could sell him all that for $300.00 and it went all the way back to the next street. We didn't have the $300.00. Robert Smith: That area behind your house and behind our house has been vacant and it will stay vacant because the deed restrictions don't permit sub - division of that. So those big estates out there will be there until the earth ends because the deed restrictions don't permit subdivision of that. Vivian Smith: We have four acres and we only have one house on it. Hazel Chastain: Well, yes, we had three acres and we set the house back with all that behind us was vacant. There was one tree. The Prescotts had gone out in the woods and dug up Redbud trees and they came by selling Redbud trees and they would plant it for you. Jerry Bonnen, a family that had been here for years and years, he dug the hole and planted that Redbud tree, and now it's a great big tree. It's a beautiful tree. Vivian Smith: Who was the boy that had the first hamburger place here? His father was on the faculty. A little bitty place on College Avenue. Made hamburgers and sold them for $.10