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'Shirley Volk .Questions -Reply.-Re ly :__ ._: _ .
From: Steve Homeyer
To: KLAZA, SVOLK
Date: 8/20/97 4:50PM
Subject: Questions -Reply -Reply
This should answer questions regarding the Britt Rice plat.
»> Bill Riley 08/20/97 04:39pm »>
steve, it is ok to use 10" san. sewer. Just not water. And, Britt Rice's property is being taken into our
service territory. However, it is not at this time. But has been filed with TNRCC.
»> Steve Homeyer 08/19/97 05:11 pm »>
have two things I need to ask.
1. I know that we do not allow 10" water lines, but do we allow 10" sewers?
2. Britt Rice owns approximately 62 acres on the northwest corner of Frost and Bird Pond behind Falcon
in the Foxfire Subdivision. Is this property in our service area? The last time I checked on some
property in this area, it was outside our area.
Please let me know as soon as possible. This E-mail was what I was calling you about, so you do not
need to call me if you respond to this.
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From: Shirley VoIK
To: David Giordano, Jon Mies, Kent Laza, Steve Home...
Subject: Re: Britt. Rice -Reply -Reply
have received a final plat for Britt's property.. It missed last week's deadline, so I won't be processing it
#his week, but since if came in and we already know there are some problems,. how should we handle
this? It appears to have more than one problem, and the first is that I just got off the :phone from talking
.with Britt, and although Greg Taggart turned in a plat and application that says Britt will be using well
water for his water supply, Britt says that is not correct, and that he wilF be running a 2" line from Frost for
his domestiaservice, and that he plans to install a NFPA13D sprinkler system in his house instead of
installing a fire hydrant! I asked him to please submit a letter spelling: out exactly what it is he is
purposing to do and we will proceed from there,, but if l'm not mistaken, he will have to ask the
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Iso, and this is to the engineering people, does he have the sewer problems addressed and is this plat
ready #o schedule for review as far as sewer service is concerned?
»> Steve Homeyer 08/15/97 09:38AM »>
The last l .heard, this was still in Wellborn Water's service area. If it is, we need to negotiate with them in
order to serve Britt with. domestic and or fire.
»> Kent l_aza 08/15/97 D9:21am>»
Then can l take from your memo that you are going to require a hydrant adjacenf to his house, and that it
is not an option for him to simply use a well. for,domestic supply? If so, we need to let him know. as soon
as possible.
»> Jon Mies 08/15/97 08:56am »>
If memory serves me right the last time we talked to Britt he said he was going to install. a hydrant. He
talked about having to run a water line in off of Frost for the domestic and he said he would run a six inch
to the point the hydrant was then step down in size for his meter and continue on with his domestic
supply. We did talk about an increase in distance, to 750 feet from the current 500 feet requirement and I
would support. a variance to the hydrant if Britt would consider a trade off of installing a NFPA 13D
residential sprinkler system. This home is different from what Eric was talking about since we do have
water,in the area and the cightto serve this property.
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Shirley Volk, . Re. Britt Rice Reply .Reply r Reply :, .. :,
From: Kent Laza
To: DGIORDANO cLDCty of College Station.City Hall, JMIES...
Date: 8/18/97 3:18PM
Subject: Re: Britt Rice -Reply-Reply -Reply
I believe he has the sewer problem solved: He will be running a private line across his property to Frost.
There will be no easements or sections of public line.
»> Shirley Volk 08/18/97 11:05am »>
I have received a final plat for Britt's property. It missed last week's deadline, so 1 won't be processing it
this week, but since it came in and we already know there are some problems, how should we handle
this? If appears to have more than one problem, and the first is that l jusf got off the phone firom talking
with Britt, and although Greg Taggart turned in a plat and application that says Britt will be using well
water for. his water supply, Britt says that is not correct, and. that he will be running a 2" line from Frost for
his domestic service, and that he plans to install a NFPA13D sprinkler system in his: house instead of
installing a fire hydrant) I asked him to please submit a letter spelling out exactly what it is he is
purposing to do and we will proceed from there, but if I'm not mistaken, he will have to ask the
Construction Board of Adjustment & Appealsfor a variance to the fire hydrant requirement. Is that
correct?
He also is pretty adamant that this is not in Wellborn's service area, but rather is College Station water.
Also, and thisis to the engineering people, does he have the. sewer problems addressed and is this plat
ready to schedule for review as far as sewer service is concerned?
»> Steve Homeyer 08/15/97 0938AM »>
The last I heard, this was still in Wellborn V1/ater's service area. If it is, we need to negotiate with them in
order to serve Britt with domestic and or fire.
»> Kenn Laza 08/15/97 09:21 am »>
Then can I take from your memo that you are going to .require a hydrant adjacent to .his house, and that it
is not an option for him to simply use a well for domestic supply? If so, we need to let him know as soon
as possible.
»> Jon Mies 08/15/97 08:56am »>
If memory serves me right the lashtime we talked to Britt he said_he-was going to install a hydrant. He
talked about having to .run a water `line in off of Frost-for the domestic and he said he would run a six inch
to the point the hydrant was then step down in size for his meter and continue on with his domestic
supply. We did talk about an increase in distance to 750 feet from the current 500 feet requirement and I
would support a variance to the hydranf if Britt would consider a trade off of installing a NFPA 13D
residential sprinkler system. This. home is different from what Eric was talking about since we do have
water in the area and the right to serve this property.
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From: Steve Homeyer
To: DGIORDANO, JMIES, KLAZA
Date: 8/15/97 9:38AM
Subject: Britt Rice -Reply -Reply
The last I heard, this was still in Wellborn-Water's service area. If it is, we need to negotiate with them. in
order to serve Britt with domestic and or fire.
»> Kent Laza 08/15/97 09:21 am »>
Then can I take from your memo that you are going to require a hydrant adjacent to his house, and that it
is not an option#or him to simply use a well for domestic supply? If so, we need to let him know as soon
as possible.
»> Jon Mies 08/15/97 08:56am »>
If memory serves me right the last time we talked to Britt he said he was going to install a hydrant. He
talked about having to run a water line in off of Frost for the domestic and,he said he would run a six inch
to the point the hydrant was then step down in size for his meter and continue on with his domestic
supply. We did alk about an increase in distance. to 750 feet from the current 500 feet requirement and I
would support a variance to the hydrant if Britt would consider a trade off of installing a NFPA 13D
residential sprinkler system. This home indifferent. from what Eric was talking .about since we do have
water in the area and the right to serve this property.
CC: SVOLK, Pkaspar
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Shirley Volk
City. of College Station
P. O. Box 9960
College Station,.. TX 77842
Re: Dos Lagos Subdivision (Britt Rice Tract)
Shirley:
Thanks for talking with me today and helping me understand this complicated issue. From our
conversation, I understand that Britt needs to provide the City with the following:
1) A plat showing his entire tract plus the adjoining Fred Willems parcel as it existed prior
to annexation (i. e. before Fred subdivided it). This will allow the depiction of the current
Rice/Willems boundary.
2) $225 per lot for parkland dedication. Britt's dedication is for the first time, and Fred's
$225 is due because the City waived it for the first plat, which I understand has now been
filed, but now since he is replatting to straighten the boundary, his original waived $225
is now due and payable.
3) Signatures of Britt Rice and Fred Willems on the plat
As an aside, it is also my understanding that Fred will then have to rezone his tract to
R-1, then replat to its current two lot ownership configuration, in order for the successor
parcels to be legal. This has no bearing on Britt, but I want to be sure I understand all the
ins and out of this very complex situation.
As a question, will this two lot plat be a minor plat? If so, how long do you expect processing to
be?
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Please call and straighten me out if I have misunderstood the requirements we discussed. Thank
you for your help.
Sincerely,
Grego K. aggart
Vice President
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®- Post Office Sox 9960 1101 Texas Avenue
College Station, Texas 72842-9960
(409) 764-3500
Apri112, 1996
Britt Rice
8604 Rosewood Drive
College Station, .Texas :77845
Dear Britt:
During our drive through your .property located offBird Pond. Road, you asked several
questions that I will answer. My recollection of the questions you asked were:
1. Can you construct a dry hydrant oil the lake to serve your future residential
home on the property?
2. Can you serve your house with an extension of the gravity sanitary sewer system
fromthe existing line in Falcon Court?
3 . Are the roads constructed to a rural standard such Ghat at some future date, the
City of College Station would accept them within a rural subdivision?
Although. you did not ask any questions regarding drainage, I noted that we may need
some additional information from you regarding the drainage work that is being
constructed on your property.
Let me begin by saying.... that .our ordinances prohibit us from issuing'a building permit or
servicing a property with water or sewerservice if it has been illegally subdivided.. That
was a question I researched. since our meeting. From the information that I have, your lot
has. been illegally subdivided. Several years ago, this property, as well as the balance of
the property owned by,Cully Lipsey, had been subdivided by metes and bounds. We
approached Mr. Lipsey about this problem and a preliminary plat .was submitted of the
entire 76 acres. From that preliminary plat, a final plat was submitted and approved by
Council in October 1993. The final. plat however was never filed for record as it did°`not
have all appropriate signatures and some fees were not paid. `Your lot was not included in
this final plat. In fact after our discussion, it appears that the final plat maybe in error
with regard to Mr. Henry's lot line in the proximity of the Frost and Haley intersection. It
appears that in order to discuss some of the questions. above,. we must first address the.
platting of he property.
In answer to # 1, the City of :College Station has a regulation in Chapter 6,.603 ,1,3 (A) that
states all residential structures must be constructed within 500' of a fire hydrant. With the
proximity of your lot to an approved domestic/fire line, we would ,prefer. your fire
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protection to come from the City system in Frost. It was my understanding from the
Council that they would approve dry hydrant systems only in the case where the existing
organized water system could not be reasonably extended. If you desire,. you can explore
a variance to the applicable section in Chapter 6 of the Code of Ordinances. As mentioned
in our meeting, Jon Mies with the Fire Department offered a residential sprinkler: system as
yet another alternative. In any case, the access. from Frost Drive or Bird Pond Road must
meet all-weather access criteria and meet. geometry standards to assure that emergency
vehicles can maneuver the turns.
In answer to #2, once the property has been platted I do not foresee a problem. Since you
do not have any designs for subdividing, it will be difficult to design the sewer extension.
However, if the line is constructed in accordance. with the Foxfire/Sandstone Sanitary
Sewer Master Plan and is constructed; on the flattest slope_allowable for the line, we
should be safe in assuring use by future users. If you decide to run the necessary line size
to ultimately serve the drainage area, the line will need to be contained in a public utility
easement and the City will accept it for public use and maintain. it. If you decide to .run a
4" service line instead, you will just .need to assure Ghat you have a private easement from
the adjacent property owner.
In answer to #3, it is difficult to tell. The roads look good, however, since we did not
inspect them as theywere constructed, we will have to field verify them before we could
give any definitive answers. Some of the curves look too sharp and the widths do not
conform to rural-subdivision standards. In general, with some modifications, they could
probably be accepted by the City of College Station at some point in the future .for use as
rural infrastructure; .`Keep in mind that these statements. are made given present conditions
of the roadways and as they deteriorate with age, this may change.
With regard to the drainage workbeing done on the property. You have done a nice job
on restoring both lakes. My concern is with the downstreamproperty owners. Since the
outlet control' structures are new„ there are concerns expressed downstream that the
velocity and quantity. of water that exits this .structure. maybe detrimental to their
property. My understanding is that you do have the hydraulic studies to show that this
system will not be detrimental. Although there were discussions regarding no need of a
permit, we would liketo go ahead and have you submit the report, have us review it'and
issue a permit retroactively.
If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to call.
Si cerely,
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Veronica J.B. M an, P. .
Asst. City :Engineer
cc: , ~ent Laza, P_E., City Engineer
"~ Shirley Volk,. Development Coordinator
Jon Mies, Fire Marshal
From: Steve Homeyer
To: JKEE, KLAZA, LBATTLE, 5VOLK, VMORGAN, Smccully, Ls...
Date: 6/26/97 2:Olpm
Subject: Foxcreek Estates -Reply -Reply -Reply
I can respond to the sewer issue. Sharon Hickson came in to discuss the sewer
line from a manhole, I believe in Falcon Street, to Britt's property. The
line was designed with "S" curves and I told Sharon that we would not accept
the proposed line as a public line if that was its alignment, but it would be
acceptable for a private service. line if it met building codes. Sharon and I
checked with Lance and it does-.meet code. Her argument was that it fell
within the deflection limits outlined in the sewer manual. The. manual states
"When it is necessary to deflect pipe from a straight line in either the
vertical or horizontal plane, or where long radius curves are permitted, the
amount of deflection shall not 'exceed that shown in Table 3." (.page. 5.104/4)
I do not interpret "S" curves to be long radius curves, so I told her to see
if Britt wanted it to be private or public. Apparently the answer was public.
The reason for this awkward alignment is to miss trees on the property he is
crossing. The owners said they do not mind giving him an easement, but he had
to save the trees.
This is sounding more and more like he is attempting to create,a subdivision
one small piece at a time. If you remember last year, we had discussions with
him about the driveway/streets he was constructing through out 'his ,property.
»> Sabine McCully 06/26/97 12:41pm »>
my inclination is to let him plat the part he wants to plat and have others
responsible for platting theirs. in other words, if most of the others ,are
ready to signs and extend utilities to their lots and be responsible for ',such
extensions, they can be a part of this process. but if they are not ready to
legaly plat their properties and understand we won't process building permits
on their lots in the future until they do so, we can process britt's lot(s)
separately now.
»> Jane Kee 06/26/97 11:54am »>
I guess my first question is who's making him do everything? If you think some
of us need to meet of discuss this ,schedule a time where we can sit down for
30 min. or so.
»> Shirley Volk 06/26/97 11:50am »>
As you mayor may not recall, this subdivision is the land that Cully Lipsey
illegally subdivided about 4 years ago. A preliminary plat of the. parent
tract was processed, the the final plat died on the vine because one of the
owners would not sign the plat.
Now Britt Rice wants to plat ONLY the lot (which was included in the
preliminary plat) that he bought, and thinks he is responsible for final
platting ALL the illegally subdivided lots in the mess!
Why would we make him do that? Other people can come in with a final plat of
one lot if the whole parent tract has been preliminary platted, can't they?
If he were plat all of the lots to make them "legal", would he be responsible
for parkland fees, sidewalks, making sure there is sewer, water and
electricity to all other lots? He has the signatures of all the other
property owners on the plat, and has even gotten the tax certificates for the
other land, but he doesn't want to be the responsible "developer". Says he
only wants to build a house on one. lot. Is there some way we can work with
him on this to allow him to do what he wants to do, and at the same time get
the other lots legally platted and-not make him the responsible party?
He also has some questions about slight bends. in the sewer line construction
plan he has submitted. He has been told it has been designed within the
City's guidelines, but now is told that there can't be any bends. He will be
contacting you, Kent, or you, Steve about this.
Can we talk about this to see how we can help him to do what he wants, and at
the same time help other citizens in that area. All of this started before at
least part of it was in the City (maybe all), and now all of it is in the
City, so it's a big messi
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