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AGENDA ITEM NO. 7 Consideration of a preliminary plat of .Cat Hollow. (94305)/
City Planner Kee presented the staff report and recommended approval of the plat with the
addition of a note .prohibiting .access to Glenhaven Drive from all lots except lots 1 and 2 of
block 1; and the provision of a 10' wide public utility .easement to accommodate existing
utilities located along the .rear of lots 1, 7, 8 and 9 of block 1. If the creek is not to receive
improvements which' will allow the grading and .development of the lots close to the creek, a
note should. be placed on the plat stating that any construction including buildings, grading
or filling on the properties adjacent to the creek will be required to obtain a development
permit before proceeding with the work. This recommendation is made as away to
preserve the natural creek appearance and assure the protection of private property from
.damage. due to erosion and flooding. The property owners will individually be responsible
for any .maintenance of the creek since there are no proposed improvements to .reduce the
operating expenses' related to the creek to the public included with this project.
Commissioner Mariott moved to recommend approval of the preliminary plat of the Cat
Hollow Subdivision with staff recommendations. Commissioner Smith seconded the motion
which passed.' unopposed (5 - 0).
AGENDA ITEM NO. 8: Consideration 'of an apppeal to the Driveway Access and Location
Ordinance for driveway placement for the City Slickers Restaurant to be located on lot A2
of the D. A. Smith subdivision. (93-425)
City Engineer Pullen informed the Commission that the site plan for the subject property
denied by the Project Review Committee placed a driveway access immediately adjacent to
the existing driveway of Taco Cabana on Live Oak Street. Live Oak Street is classified as a
local street. According to .the Driveway Access and Location Ordinance, the spacing
required for driveways along local streets is a minimum of 150' and a desired 190'. The
applicant is requesting an appeal from this requirement. The applicant does have the option
to construct a combined drive with the adjacent property. to comply with the ordinance
requirements;' however, he has chosen not to do so.
Kevin Musgrave of 9207 Village Drive in San Antonio approached the Commission and
stated that he approached the City in October before beginning plans on the project and
was never aware of restrictions on driveway placement until the Project Review Committee
meeting. If the driveways are installed as required by ordinance, abottle-neck situation will
occur since there will only be one way in and out along the access road by La Quinta. Mr.
Musgrave ..explained that he owns the access easement between La Quinta and the subject
property and is responsible for property taxes and maintenance. Currently he also owns the
.adjacent Taco Cabana restaurant; however, he would like to develop the .new .restaurant
separately so that it can. be sold in the future. If a shared driveway was built between the
subject property and Taco: Cabana, much .needed .parking. spaces would have to be
.eliminated. Mr. Musgrave stated he spoke to Sanitation Superintendent Jim Smith and he
would be in favor of the property being more accessible for the sanitation trucks to enter
and exit the property. The appeal is primarily being requested to eliminate future traffic
problems. caused by the creation' of abottle-neck situation without the additional driveway
along Live Oak Street.
Commissioner .Hall questioned staff if the proposed entrance could be installed and signed
as an "exit only" as an alternative to denying the second access to Live Oak Street.
City Engineer Pullen stated that that is a possibility; however, staff has found that they do
not function as we1L There is also a connection between the .subject property and Taco
Cabana that would allow traffic to exit from both sites through the driveway located on the
Taco Cabana property along. Live' Oak Street.
P & Z Minutes February 3, 1994 Page 4
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m-:~-rani: we ace ya to c e in b~ fore the PRC to talk
about this is we have some concerns based on the Impact
Study with regard to detention, and we have some questions
and maybe if you can make us feel a little bit more
comfortable about the questions that we have ---we can still
goahead with the PRC,.what we would like to do because I
think the drainage issue is"'going. to be the biggest issue
here is let's go ahead and resolve the drainage issue and
once it's resolved then we can hold the formal PRC and if
that is today that is fine ...You. know I don't think it is
going to put you any. further behind because if we .had the
PRC today we would still ask gall to address the drainage
issues before we proceeded on. So I really don't think it
is going to'put you any further behind if for some reason we
don't PRC today, I think the PRC will go a lot smoother once
we have the answers to the drainage questions resolved. In
the Impact Study, there was some discussion about how much
room was needed for the detention and can you kinda show us
Earl where the detention was planned for and ....
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two places .that .are
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what is actually represented here is this line is the
center. of the existing creek that's closely as we could
ascertain from the City of CS topol maps. We have
physically gone out on the .ground and done a certified
boundary survey however,. we have not run a profiles or sewer
line??....You know.. Locations for the creeks, as well as
.over here. Now we have this small area here., obviously if
we are going to keep the creek in the same location we will
be encroaching with some detention facilities and. when I say
detention facilities what were are looking on this side is
the section .that is going to make the channel on this
side. We anticipate having the flow metered out of this
existing structure here we will include that in"our model
when we get down to actual simulations through our ponds.
V•
Okay, so that one won't be done away with.
Earl:
No
This is no longer a temporary??
Earl•
This? It is in accordance to the plan.. This one right here.
V
When we originally discussed this whole thing that was going
to be temporary until such time that was going to come in.
Is that now a permanent structure???? When we discussed the ,
entire ... ...
My impression early on we talked .about it being temporary,
but my was that we made it
Vs
Okay, well I think you can utilize what is out there. Our
impression was that it was going to be a temporary thing. I
don't think structural wise that it is necessarily temporary
and I think you can leave it out there. If you want to
leave it out. there......
Earl e
It is pretty permanent. It's ...I'm not an engineer but., I
think it is built to be'a permanent thing.
What we have looked at we've assumed from reviewing those
plans that it was a permanent structure.
I remember early on we .were talking about them.....
Nothing were on the plans where it said anything that is
temporary.......
V:
Well, part of that was. because we couldn't...to protect
these people and to protect the people down stream we had
to deal. with that as a quote unquote permanent structure, so
that there wasn't any notes on the plats that this. was
', temporary .:....In case this never came in. :because if this
never came in that had to stay.
Earl:
I will say this.:.. We do get into a situation where it's
determined for whatever the purpose that this needs to be a
temporary tuation. I think we can still squeeze the
detention that we had here out and this area over here.
This is our main area that we want to detain. It's going to
be an on channel detention pond.
Earl the way this is constructed I wouldn't want to do away
with it.
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We may want to incorporate something else into it.
Earl:
We would probably like to reduce the amount of potential
detention. Because it is`pretty high But the way
they've done it I don't. want to go back in and redo .those
. But it would be nice to reduce the potential
detention if possible.
V:
We aretalkingabout relocating this creek stall?? or
.leaving.. it where it is??? or-any improvements to it. I
realize that some of it is note on your property. There.. are
some concerns:... 1) we don't wont. to disturb what's out there
necessary but we want to make sure that it can handle
whatever flow will be entering it.
Earl:
More or less our major concern here was the situation that
we haveastructure here which I think everybody is aware is
..grossly inadequate. This being more or less the top of, the
hill We
can by creating a storage capacity additional storage
capacity and we can you know, allow this structure into'.
our. .corporate that into our plan possibly making that an
outlet control structure and we'd pick the volume that we
need in order to ..you know.. if we`ve got to run the
`whole of storms ..the five through the 100 year we
picked obviously the 100 years generate the worst case
.scenario here as far as volume.. We incorporate that ''into
1, our plan and we work backwards in order to see exactly how
~ much volume that is generated in the predevelopment, how
much volume is generated in the post. .development, and then
we come up with a target volume for detention.
How much volume do you think you need??? Because we need to
know how much area going to be taken??
Earl:
You are saying four acres.:. I was looking
up
It is on the backs of
Earl:
Okay it is possibly in the original study that Riley had
done.
Yes, Yes'
Earl:
One thing we've submitted Wiley's information here is
essentially a basis knowing that had already gone through.
We have actually came up with a difference acreage than
Riley had come up based on actual underground survey.
Where are your calculations. of it???
Earl:
Our acreage for the detention....I don't have that included
in my stuff here." Where did he say that he had four acres?
It's not on that sheet.
I don't have that...
They made the statement that there was a certain elevation
and that ...
Ee
.Okay
And that anything 278 was non buildable which makes for all
intents and purposes this is 278 right here ....... So that
lot was not buildable.'.: that lot was not buildable.. this
one may b'e buildable with some finish floor elevations and
E:
Based on elevations out of the floodplain stating the
this is the
As closely as can be These are City of College.
Station .contours now. We discovered early on when we
started doing some of areas between contours that
Mr. Riley's contours as per the master plan
Nothing I can' make out a thing he is saying!!!!!
The City of College Station contours. There is some
discrepancy at this point I don't know exactly how much it
is, but that some of this area here.
Everyone talking at one time can't make out anything they
are saying.......
E :_
Well I mean that... to me that I know we put this as a
to here and we essentially expanded on very
little..:.. that is kinda like. four acres... I am having
trouble with that... I am seeing that you know four acres
V:
We, are too..
E:
Four acres 6 .foot deep,:. four. acres.... you know...how deep?
It has no volume it's .just a_two dimensional area. What I
would propose at this point and time... seeing as though we
had trouble getting you know... his simulations.. in fact we
don't have his simulations out of this pond, we had to run
our own..n a model of it... since we've already got this
thing at somewhat of a...not an extremely accurate model..
if was just for estimate purposes.... but we can expand upon
that. Let us run since the"area is so small...let us run
essentially a flood study through this area and taking into
account the types that we have 2-48's and lets use those as
controlling factor so that we can pick an elevation we want
it to reach to the top of the curve.? do we want a free board
in there that you know certainly those 48's are going to
have in order to function
economically and efficiently. And we will just work this
thing backwards..-. taking into account if we want to keep
the total volume in here or if we want to take volume out..
those are numbers that we get in this area...we are not
talking about leaving this in its natural state..we are
talking about coming in here and excavating, generating
quite a bit of additional volume in order to... it's not
just a here that backs water up in a natural basin..
it would be anmprovedsection.
Vz
and you won't utilize any of those property to pond water
on.
E:
No, No we would use.......
V:
So ya'11 could alter the elevation somewhat?
E:
We would kick that natural ground elevation that most
corresponds to that property. I wouldassume
contours .don't run exactly on the
. We are going to come back to the nearest
contour or elevation away from that property line that does
not allow for us getting across .that property line. And
whatever....
There is some backup there now.
V:
Some. what??? Some ponding of water, is that what you are
saying??
Yeah.. Of course., what's really happening is these things
are only half functional. There would be....
V:
Are you saying they are half functional, cause they are half
functional because they are.full of something?
Yeah..trees grown-in
v:
Okay.
There is some back up on .this. On this area now and even
down here.
Va
Right, but as part `of ya'lls design for the dentention pond
you can't ... you have to utilize your land.
Right..rght I understand.
V:
You .can't utilize their land.
E:
I think and I guess maybe we just all need. to agree or
disagree on this fact, but you know it would be the wrong
thing. to do here to get this water from here to here you
know in a speeded up fashion and then not have any
improvement downstream assuming that you kmow if we don't
have the adequate structure the water goes over the road and
does all kind of stuff that it probably does right now.
We would like to keep this in as much a natural state
...while I mean we can't get out of our property over here
.and do this.
V:
Unless you come up
property owners to
land back there as
guys if you wanted
to use so of that
with some
do that.
.. ya'l1
too if the
pack there
sort of agreement with those
I mean to utilize that piece of
can go in concert with these
are is any reason that you want
the natural channel.
E•
Unless we could....'. I see some problems with that you know
V:
I am saying that is an option open to t'a'll whether you.
choose to use it or not is up to t'a'll.
E:
Again, what we would like to do here is attempt and expand
upon all this in order to define exactly what volume we do
need. Work it backwards based on those two structures and
using those as the determining factor. And coming up with
that... if you want to call it magic volume that association
with this. gives us...I don't think this four acres is
reasonable.r. I can say that if we came in here. we could get
the same volume as for an acre by going an acre four foot
deep. That is kind of a nebulous and has no dimension to me.
V:
What we would like to see come back is some area set aside
for detention and labeled as such and us be able to follow
the impact study to figure out that yeah that is indeed
enough room and you can plat all the lots around it that you
have platted and we feel comfortable that those lots won't
be enindated with detention at some future date and the
same is true over in this area as well. Since there won't
be any creek improvements on these people properties we have
to kind of separate this development into two zones. You
can't discharge stuff that is increased and this just
detain it all here. You have got to detain here discharge
nothing more than what's being ,discharged now here then it
comes back on your property then you have to do the same
thing here and detain so that your flows don't exceed.....
E:
For this area that we have here we are talking about this
already detained so we are very minimal as far as .here.
Where surface drain at this point and time the water around
to a point. to some inlets here. which we are .picking this up
instead of dumping it right there. We are dumping it over
here, but we have got that,....
V:
Where would these kids go to school? Do you think?
Elementary school would be back here on College Hills.
Would there be any benefit, `you know, if you recall when we
went to council the last time, there was some discussion
about Carol Street not going through and that it would be
the developer's responsibility here to make a logical end to
Carol :and -the existing portion of Carol right
of way. I think Councilman Crouch-made that- in for a motion
in front of the council.
He made that comment .and then. somebody else said that the
city was getting ready to do something to Mary Oaks Drive
and I can"t understand what he is saying!!! They talked.
about the advantages and disadvantages of dedicating this
bank to property owners with various things. So T don't
recall that requirements on our parts.
U:
We will go back and research the minutes. One of the things
I was wondering about if these kids are going to go to
school back over here,'if it might somewhat of an advantage
to incorporate whatever drainage you do in here, whatever
detention and have some kind of pathway system for those
kids in here, to maybe give back this land.
I don't have a problem with that the only ....the question
it raises is there are so few children in the subdivision
that I don't know.
V:
How may people would be in there???
We really have an inkling that's for both extremes. Very,
very young and.-.. if that were toehold true... in this area
it may not serve any purpose, but on the other hand we
children. I don't have a problem withthat.
E:
The only problem that I can see with that is we would have
to build a structure that would be safe for the kids. I am
talking about hands rails, any kind of handicap ramps. that
we need in order to get across......Typically, by doing this
we are directing those kids down to an area where we really
don't want those kids to be. They are going to be down
there anyway..I mean there is nothing we can do about
that..that would be my only .concern.
V:
It wouldn't necessary have to go through the....
E:
.But, we have bridges all through town and the
kids go to them now.
I had thought one time more about getting from here to the
park..I'm really not sure that the children are going to
.walk from here to school.
V:
What are your thoughts about getting from .here to the park?
Whether the children come from this neighborhood to the park
V:
What were your thoughts along that line??
more than they ought to be...
A pedestrian way to get. from here to the park...We will look
at again. The school may be a little far to think about
walking...I don't know..
E:
We could probably incorporate that into this series of
that they have `and the top of that would be the logical
place to put it.
Yeah that is a pretty deep draw right through there....
E:
But I do believe that it would need to have the type
handrails and the whole works. These kids confined along
that pathway rather than ...
Critical time..you know is during the storm, on this small a
basin we are probably looking at water being backed up in
there maximum depth maybe for an hour or two. You don't
really thing that the kids would be out there during the
-peak storm, you know.. however, if we do have water backed
up for any period of time after the storm... they are going
to be out there.
I think what you want to do Earl is look at this area right.
here and try to figure out does thi ....that thing gets
deep quickly.
E:
We got we could .....
Might be can cut that one off somewhere .back here.....
V:
This is off Carol Street, right?
Yes
V:
You might get Mark Smith, Earl because he is working on this
quarter of the road (can't understand part) What size
pipes and stuff
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II E:
'~, That brings up'another question? Carters Grove are they
anticipating any storm sewer coming
~ back to this point??
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I
I don't really see that storm sewer would speed up the flow
anymore than the street flow type. That wouldn't be an
impact on .this at all here.
I
It could be back down though, cause there...this comes
around this way someway or another and there is a creek that
actually comes this :way.
V":
That is right.
~ If that creek would storm.
E:
If the creek were lined or something like that rather
than.
Makes you raise the question I think there is a house or two
back up there somewhat that might have a problem....
V:
One more thing that I at least want to bring up.....is some
of our original drainage ordinances about this area....
becaus8 this area that Carters Grove area is such a problem
area as far as drainage is concerned right now. There is
requirements in the drainage ordinance .....one of the
'~~ sections that talks about
detaining
and willing to see how that's going to effect ya'11... we
need to see those calculatons....It may add a little bit to
the detention. requirement...
E:
When you say ultimate.:does that be indicating our ultimate
or the ultimate...
V:
The ultimate..
The only one we really wanted could figure out was that one.
That is the only tract that will make a difference because
to park is a park and it is going to stay a park, I mean it
is not going to change,much...All of this back here is
already developed and closed this way .and will flow into
that ..that is the only tract. So that is-why we say we
don't think it is going to make much difference.
E:
Would they not be required on their tract to detain some
V:
It doesn't matter. We still have to do it.. Every tract in
the Carters Grove is responsible to do that, because the
drainage problems are so bad. So you will be required to do
a 100 year ultimate, they would be required to do a 100 year
ultimate, if this .tract every left a in which it is
not ever going to happen.
It is not likely.. It could happen
V:
Not very likely. Not with .what is out there.
E:
What they could possible do ..at this point and time it's
more less their own developed type park, that they come in
and .put some swings, volley ball court, whatever they may be
some parking coming in. They at that point, would also be
required
V:
I don't think it is .going to make a big difference for you
but we just thought we would mention that because we will
need to see those calculations.
Ez
Looking at the l00 year stormis our requirement here any
way...certainly it will have some effect to us, but we will
just have to determine at this point and time how much, and
I think really .what we `need to do is go back and start from
here and run this thing completely through in order....at
this point and time we've decided that: we ..,nothing is
going to happen down here with these to 48's within the
future 'of the city doesn't have any intentions of doing any
thing there
V:
We don't
E:
Then we just use those as are
If and indeed they are ...if they have more capacity than we
can discharge then we will have to look at 2nd year.
restructure here that would bring
water to those flood gates.
Okay what e se, what other issues can you think of while we
are here.
Can't understand what they are saying here.
V:
What we hate to have happen is this preliminary plat go
through planning and zoning commission and the. council
without knowing and being comfortable with how much of this
plan is actually going to take the detention.
E:
You know really, what we are. going to need to do here
though. .'. we are in the process right now of acquiring
actual foot depth. Next
.step is for our field crews to tie in the creeks...get us
some at that point
and time we will be establishing profiles for sewer line,
and any other profiles for this area that we need t'o
determine the exact ground elevations and then I think solve
this question once 'and for all. Which one of these is right
you know as far as the ....,
Keep in mind that these may or may not work.
E:
Well, I am going to say that if these guys essentially ---
you know their property line comes to here...its not a
.platted property line... this is just by
and they own
this property...they are not .going to allow us to do this.
They may not give us any easement.
• What we may end up doing is having to go down here and do
some kind of something like this.....but one of these people
of here, I would have to go back and check...so time ago
wanted.. was willing to give us easement across for us doing
some improvements on their yard when we are out there with
dozers,...so, we will have to double check on that.
V:
You may be able to negotiate one of them.
E:
One thing that hasn't come up in this conversation is you
know we are in the process of getting in here and modifying
this creek, we are talking
here
and things of that nature.
V:
How much modification will you be doing?
E:
You know I think that's I don't know how you feel about that
We have got a floodplain line across here which
if you go by this could get wors8. I don't feel that this
is correct. This is .based on the latest stuff that we
By coming. in here and
taking .the additional volume out, theoretically we could
decrease this line down.
What I vision happening is...this lot is going to be part of
the detention and coming across here...someplace is 'going to
be say a 125 feet or so...ths backlot line. This is
considered the fringes of the floodplain and do an analysis
to determine that....
I can't understand what they are saying here.
This would become our own lot.??
We have it drawn..this way....
Same thing over here.
The lot lines will change.
Can't understand what they are 'saying here......
through a drainage pipe, no actually an inlet here and on
Glen haven drive or so and it came down in a pipe just a
little ways and then...
That. is one of the reason we changed our design --will
minimize that kind of
Too low--cant' understand what they are saying.
E:
- Based on the information we got we have a good grade from
here to here. We probably have the"flexibility where we can
bring .this water back if we wanted too. We could make
In lieu of a pipe here, utilize these pips here would bring
this water ...maybe we just move these back in this
direction and pick the water...I hate to run water across an
intersecton...I like to pick the water up before we get to
the intersecton..if we catch this here there is not a whole
lot of water generated on this side of the road from here to
here. So we move these back we might could stretch it to
get these guys back over here.....
Maybe we size these to carry 25 year storm sub surface and
then we allow for minor I am not talking ditch...I'm just
talking about low area graded swell type situation maybe a
foot deep that covers this....20 foot easement.. it could be
a 1/20 slope that could be just for the emergency overflow.
You can work all that out... but .one of the things that has
to happen is ...this from here to here has got to be very
because when this water comes down this street
it doesn't take very much to jump that .....it would
probably help this .situation of the water because you don't
want it coming across here. Even just throw them out there
now, then it doesn't take much of'a rain for it to shoot
across
okay, well you are going to engineer that.
Is that a feasible situation or do we need to look at
complete 100 year: storm in the system...underground?
DK
The purpose of trying to the ditches wasn't just to
put it under ground but was the fencing problem just the
..reserving that space for any kind of draining weather
is the hundred year or whatever.
vs
People just get up in arms about ...where can I put my fence
and
DK
If you leave it up to the builder then keep those grades the
way you have ...then when people come in and do landscaping
They fill it in
We get the neighbor calling us going about filling ditch in
- and its not going that. way anymore, its standing on my
property.
We couldn't interest the city in a right of way could we.
No way Jose..:...
Anything else besides drainage....
I was hoping made the statement about the
last time we went through we submitted to the plat to P&Z
with a recommendation that is was okay as long as all the
drainage was worked out and I don't think we are going to be
able to do that with this one until all that information is
gathered up.
P&Z council would shoot us and we would all be hunting for
jobs if we took this one and said the same thing. We
approve this without ....as long as the drainage issue is
resolved.
E:
We would look at P&Z...say if we didn't get tabled today or
whatever...:.
You don't understand all the background ...because Haytell
Vice and because of the background on this...this has got to
be letter perfect before we go forward. Because it also has
to do with what I hope will be my own going effort with
Haytell Vice and I don't want .
E:
We are still talking about approval of P&Z though. you know
you guys standing up before P&Z and saying this looks right
to us...although we don't have the data to substantiate .
They don't have. enough. information now to do that.
E:
We:.what I am saying is let's continue with what we are
doing and let's get the information .for them prior. to going.
to P&Z :..aren't we talking about November 5 for P&Z.
I didn't bring a calendar with me. We have to have our
.staff reports down and complete a week and half prior to P&Z
meeting.. We have already missed the second P&Z meeting in
October. The first one in November would be the very very
soonest you could go...and that's if on your next submittal
you answer all our questions with regard to .
.......
..November 5th would be the first one that means we have to
.have everything back in from ya'11...there is a possibility
that you might be able .....it means really cranking on your
part because we have got to have your submittal back into us
by the 19th of October..that gives us a week to review it
and make sure that everything is okay.
E•
Would that give ya'11 enough time possibly if we turned it
in then???? and what I am talking about turning into you
guys is the
That shows. the detention areas.
We really have to do is have almost final plat..
Because the detention is so critical.
At this point we are talking about, Steve...the final design
on the .detention."
E:
The thing I am squeezed here for is actually not so much the
office. time in doing the computations and the
engineering...but getting our crew out there to get us the
data...raw data and get. that processed in enough time to
make that deadline...
DK:
But we are not asking you to have that field work done to
-turn this information in...that's something you are putting
onyourself...
E:
I think I understand that but at this point and time the
effort for engineering would be almost identical to turn in
a preliminary thing that was based on preliminary without
acutal field shots.
V:
It's not going to make any difference if you go to P&Z on
November 5, than if you go on November 19th...and here is
why...when you go on Nov 5 you can't hit the next Council
meeting...because there is'not going to be a council
meeting,
So it doesn't matter if you go on Nov 5 or Nov 19th. you
would hit the same council meeting which is Dec 10.
December 10 is the soonest;..cause see if you wanted to go
to the only. meeting in Nov for council you would have had to
get this weeks P&Z meeting, well actually next weeks P&Z
meeting...the staff reports are due this week. So December
10 is the soonest.: It gives you more time on the front end
before P&Z to answer a lot more of these questions because
it gives you two more weeks..
E:
I would personally would like to answer that question
finally once. Whether preliminarily and then go to final...
Is there .any way to excelerate the final if we need too?
No not really then you start the construction drawings.
The schedule around thanksgiving to Christmas is horrible
they drop council meetings....
For the last 3 months of this year we have had one council
meeting per month. Only one in October and one in November
and one in December.
.Non drainage items that you are aware of that we can...
V:
Some of the nondrainage items will come from the PRC and I
really.-would like to wait with the PRC until you have come
.`.back with a revised plan that shows where this stuff is
going. to be because it your easement locations
which I hate for these guys that are going to be over there
to reivew this and say well if this happens. do .this and if
this happens do this......I would prefer them to see a plan
that will be what the plan is going to be and let them
reivew. I think the PRC is the least of your worries as far
as timing is concerned...we meet once a week every week...
Have you kicked this around to get a feel of how this is
being accepted other than drainage...the utility dept ',are
going to want some realignments here and there, but do you
have a gut feel how if we had gone to PRC today or do
whatever how this would be accepted?
vs
I don't know I haven't heard anything from them, so I'don't
know if there is any major problems on their paxt ..
E:
The only thing I am getting at is if we don't go to PRC
today L would like to be able_to kinds know ahead of time so
we can address some of these other problems that get to PRC
and they go bad.
V:
How about if you do this...I don't know how it ends!!!
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` AGENDA ITEM COVER SHEET
CONSENT AGENDA
ITEM SUBMITTED BY: Jane R. Kee, City Planner
FOR COUNCIL MEETING OF: 2-24-94
DIRECTOR APPROVAL:
EXECUTIVE TEAM MEMBER APPROVAL:
ITEMi Consideration of a Preliminary Plat of Cat Hollow, a Residential Subdivision.
Applicant is Myrad Real Estate.
ITEM SUMMARY: This subdivision consists of 46 R-1 single family lots .totaling 17.35
acres. It is adjacent to the Glenhaven .Subdivision at Dominik .Drive and was formerly
Glenhaven Phase 10. The plat includes right-of-way for the. extension of Glenhaven Drive to
Dominik. There will be sidewalks. along both sides of Glenhaven..
The.. proposed development is in a drainage basin .with no capacity to accommodate any
increase in run of£ The developer is proposing to control the discharge of storm water at the
pre development rate as xequired by the Drainage Policy and Design Standards, Chapter 13 of
the City Code of Ordinances
There is a defined creek adjacent to the. property which is designated Zone A on the current
FEMA maps. Zone A is a designated flood prone area .without determined flood plain
elevations.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS: Staff & P&Z recommend approval with a note to be,
added to the. final plat prohibiting access to Glenhaven with the exception of Lots 1 & 2, Block,
1 and with the provision of a 10' utility easement. for existing utilities along the rear of Lots
.1,7,8,9, Block L
If the creek is not to receive improvements which will allow the grading. and development o£
the lots close to the creek, a note should be placed' on the .plat stating that any .construction
including buildings, grading or filling on the properties adjacent to the creek will be required to
obtain a development permit before proceeding with the work. This recommendation is made
as way to preserve the :natural. creek. appearance and assure. the protection of private property
from damage due to erosion :and flooding_ The property owners will individually be
responsible for any maintenance of the creek since there are no proposed improvements to
reduce the operating expenses .related to the creek to the public included with this project.
FINANCIAL SUMMARY:. NA
CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDATIONS: NA
COUNCIL ACTION DESIRED: Approve preliminary plat with conditions.
SUPPORTING MATERIALS:
1. Location Map'
2. Staff Report
3. Application
4. Minutes
5. Copy of plat.
PRF,SUBMISSION CONFEREPdLE REPC3RT
January Z4, 1994
TO: Deborah Keating, Urban Design Graup
P. O. Box 101.5 ~, College Station, TX 77842
Dan Bensimcjn .and Beth Whatley, Myrad Real Estate
7~7 Canterbury, College Station,. TX 77840.
FROM: Project Review Commute
Jane ICe~, City Plan,
David Pullen,. City ~~,~ eer
Julius Gribou, P & Z presentati
Others Attending;.
Natalie Thomas, Planning Tec n'
Samantha Smith, Erigineernag As. ' ~ ant
Tony Nlichalslcy, Electrical Operations Coordinator..
Shirley Volk, Developzi~ent Coc>rdinator
George Spain,. Fire. Marshal
Pete Vanecel<, Sent~r Parks PlanlZer
Laverne Alcin, GTE Representative
Pat Clarl<, TCA Cal71e Representative
SUBJECT: Prelirrli»<nry ~Iat - Cat HoJJoE~ Si~l~divison, (previously Glenhaven Phase Ten}
approximately fc7rty-six R-2 single family lots totalling 17.35 acres adjacent to the
Glenhaven Subdivision, between Glenhaven Drive and Dominil~ Drive. (94-301}
_~
A Presubmisson Conference was held Wednesday, January ~, 1994 to discuss the above
mentioned preliminary plat. The following comments were. made by the various reviewing
agents:.
ENGINEERING:
_ A drainage conference is required prior to the Planning and Zoning Commission .meeting
to discuss the details of the impact. studies.
The City of College Station nay wish to Icecap the proposed water line at the Dominik cul-
_ de-sac at the time of constructicm to avoid the exzstmg .dead end.
PRC Report
Cat Hollas~
Case #94-3~1
Page Z
PLANNING:
_ According to the Bikeway Master i'lan, Glenhaven must be signed as a bike route.
Add a note to the plat prohibiting access to Glenhaven .Drive with the exception of lots 1
- and 2 of block 1:
PARKS:
Staff will verify if parl~land dedication requirements have been met for this development.
WATER/~hIASTE WATER ~ FIRE:.
Provide two additional copies of the mp~~ct studies for this development.
ELECTRICAL:
Provide a 1.~' public utility easement to cover the existing utilities located along the rear
_ of lots 1, 7, S and q cif block 7.
G.T.E.:
Provide. electrical layout and coordinate electrical service with G.T.E. Representative
- Laverne A1cin at (4~~~ S?1-~172~.
T.C.A. Cable:
Coordinate conduit. lalacement and service details. with T.C.A. Cable Representative Pat
SUBMIT 1O COPIES AND 7 MYLAR REPROD1 CI$ O B~ NCLUDED N THE
PRELIMINARY PLAT Al`~D BY FRIDAY, JANt1ARY 2S,
PLANNING AND ZO SING ~ )COMTMIIE ~ ~,~, COUNCIL WIOLL CONSIDERETHE PPLAT
THURSDAY, FEBRUAR >
ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY ?~> 1)94.
Facsimile Cover Sheet
To: Shirley Volk
Company: Development Services
Phone:
Fax:
From: Mark Smith
Company: City of College Station
Phone: (409)764-3692
Fax: (409)764-3489
Date: 01 /18/94
Pages including this
cover page:
Comments: PRC COMMENTS 01-19-94
Final Plat Indistrial Park -- No Comment
Final Plat SWV Sec 30 --
• What improved drainage facilitiesontaine within t e roposed drainage
easements? ;~~'~ `s ~ `
• Is the 80' wide 'utility easement' intended to also cove a drainage facility? ' A
• If so, I'd recommend that a lesser easement be dedicated that strictly addresses the utility
needs and separate consideration be given to the drainage needs.
• Will this plat meet the Drainage Policy and Design Standards?
Preliminary Plat Pebble Creek IV --
• Why a 'Private Drainage Reserve'? If the facility m ets all require ents f~or`d 1edication it yy
~ ~.~5'~Nw~~a.C+ r/~'6 L
should be dedicated as a drainage easement. - no~ heC¢eser~~
• 6-C.5.10. The location,. approximate dimensions, description and name of all porpos~i is~ ~~e~y
streets, alleys, drainage structures, parks, or other public areas,... ~° ~~
• 6-C.5.13. Vacinity map.....which shall show.....the general drainage plan and ultimate
destination of water for a distance of one quarter (1/4) mile and possible storm sewer...
Preliminary Plat Cat Hollow --
• 6-C.5.10. The location, approximate dimensions, description and name of all porposed
streets, alleys, drainage structures, parks, or other public areas,...
• 6-C.5.13.' Vacinity map.....which shall show.....the general drainage plan and ultimate
destination of water for a distance of one quarter (1/4) mile and'possible storm sewer...